WARNING the 3.8 Catalyst driver could kill your monitor!!!

[Dr Richard Cranium]

this is the type of person that should only be allowed to purchase a complete system from
Dell or Gateway. Then only if it purchases the complete extended warranty, with taxi fare
included.



their should be encounter groups for these types to identify and profile Computer
terrorists such as they are/become.

I see in the government IT departments all the time. At least there they have come to
grips with these IT wan Abe's and force them to only purchase complete DELL systems for
their minions shackled to the IT departmental whims.



can you imagine driving your truck down to the grange, say about thirty years ago and
telling a farm tractor or field plow story - such as this bugger cries on about. Gawd
he'd be banned from the cracker barrel and local gossip 'good 'ol' boys.



whatever -



Muito pesaroso, homem, eu apenas não o começo que eu estou fresco como um anel de espuma




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[FORMER ATI user]

Another shitty experience with a display card from ATI ........
Here's the story. Long time ago I bought an all in wonder Raedeon
display card. The very first before they added any kind of numbers to
the model designator. True... the capture software, Guide+ and the time
shifting features are very compelling and in the brief moments when it
actually worked I was thrilled. But always....... Crash BSOD. I must
have spent weeks trying to resolve various issues with this card, sound
breaking up (the pop pop issue) frames skipping, and always in the end
the BSOD. I must have done a 1000 searches in forums and tried every
possible remedy, new motherboard, new ram, new PSU even a new AIW, you
name it,.... I tried it. I finally gave up on all the features and used
it as a plane display card only. No MMC just plane old graphics card.
Time passes and I decide to give it another try, maybe this could be
something related to the OS? The only thing I never really tried. I've
been running W2K, and XP never really appealed to me (it is kind of
gayish isn't it ? fluffy icons in pastel colors ;-)) Anyway i decided to
give it yet another shot, so I log into Easynews, retrieve an ISO of XP
corp and a keygenerator (On a side note: I have NEVER understood why
anyone would spend as much a 5 min on peer to peer file swapping, when
sites like Easynews, for a mere 10 bucks, gives you a full 25 days of
usenet postings with a http interface.... beyond me!). XP installs like
a charm, and to probe just how good the Keygen is I decide to subscribe
to windows automated update, and bingo!, everything DX9b, SP1,
soundblaster and updated displaydrivers for the All in wonder comes
flying down from Microsoft, reboot a couple of times and I'm good to
go.... And this is where I make the crucial mistake In order to install
the MMC I download the full package from ATI, i.e.. the full 25 meg of
drivers,control panel and VDM capture drivers. After install and the
mandatory reboot, I manage to see the XP "Welcome" greeting before the
monitor goes into some insane state. No H-sync Out of control V-sync.
This lasted about 5 sec and I clearly remember thinking SHIT! I've seen
this before (About 10 years ago when I by mistake screwed up the driver
on a 386box with a 5k$ Eizo monitor and destroyed the monitor beyond
repair). I tried to power down the monitor, but just before I hit the
power bottom the H-sync completely died, a only a very bright vertical
bar was showing. Viewsonic P225f bye bye....
This is when I turn to Google and discovers that people before me
have experienced the same thing. What I also see are the people who
dismiss this including of cource ATI. But i recon the chances of my
monitor dying less than 30 sec after installation of the Catalyst 3.8
driver are a million to one.
What would you guys do? Isn't this finally a case where a software
developer could be held responsible for the garbage they advise people
to download?
In any case, let this be a warning. I've seen a lot of "advice" being
posted in newsgroup and forums. Usually it's based on nothing but
personal preferences or less than accurate facts (e.g. Turtle beach
sound card fixes everything!) This is the real thing. This driver set is
a "killer". If anyone is interested, I have full logs of driver
installations and JPG's to prove the state of FORMERLY great monitor.
Advice anyone?

btw THIS is a plane AIW radeon, so the problem is not confined to 9800
or 9700 boards...

Henrik
San Diego CA

 

[Ben Pope]

blah, blah, blah
and XP never really appealed to me (it is kind of
gayish isn't it ?

You sound mature.

fluffy icons in pastel colors ;-)) Anyway i decided to
give it yet another shot, so I log into Easynews, retrieve an ISO of XP
corp and a keygenerator (On a side note: I have NEVER understood why
anyone would spend as much a 5 min on peer to peer file swapping, when
sites like Easynews, for a mere 10 bucks, gives you a full 25 days of
usenet postings with a http interface.... beyond me!)

Self confessed thief...

blah, blah
And this is where I make the crucial mistake In order to install
the MMC I download the full package from ATI, i.e.. the full 25 meg of
drivers,control panel and VDM capture drivers. After install and the
mandatory reboot, I manage to see the XP "Welcome" greeting before the
monitor goes into some insane state. No H-sync Out of control V-sync.
This lasted about 5 sec and I clearly remember thinking SHIT! I've seen
this before (About 10 years ago when I by mistake screwed up the driver
on a 386box with a 5k$ Eizo monitor and destroyed the monitor beyond
repair).

Self confessed serial (monitor) killer.

blah, blah, blah
What would you guys do? Isn't this finally a case where a software
developer could be held responsible for the garbage they advise people
to download?

No, not likely. If software can damage a monitor it is poorly deisgned.

This has been done here before... the claims of monitor death as a direct
result of errors in Cat 3.8s is yet to be substantiated.

Ben

 

[Hellraiser]

No, not likely. If software can damage a monitor it is poorly deisgned.

This has been done here before... the claims of monitor death as a direct
result of errors in Cat 3.8s is yet to be substantiated.

Plus the fact all modern monitors when presented with a signal outside of
their capabilities simply refuse to even try to display it.

Hellraiser...........>

 

[Lithurge]

This is the real thing. This driver set is a

"killer". If anyone is interested, I have full logs of
driver installations and JPG's to prove the state of
FORMERLY great monitor. Advice anyone?

btw THIS is a plane AIW radeon, so the problem is not
confined to 9800 or 9700 boards...

Henrik
San Diego CA

Lets see now, when I open up display properties go to settings,
advanced, monitor I have a liitle tick box that states hide
modes this monitor cannot display under the refresh rate
heading. It even warns unticking it can lead to damaged
hardware.

I leave this ticked, installing the CAT 3.8's has not unticked
this, so how exactly do they cause monitors to fail by trying to
display outside the range?

Oh they don't! The user pulls the trigger by unticking the box
and then using a higher refresh rate than their monitor can
handle because they know best.

 

[LBJGH]

Sorry that is not true... Nvidia troll.

Nvidia started this rumor because they can not compete in real world
performance.

 

[Ben Pope]

Sorry that is not true... Nvidia troll.

Nvidia started this rumor because they can not compete in real world
performance.

With absolutely no evidence to back up such a statement, you're as bad as
the OP.

Ben

 

[LBJGH]

Give me a break one or two people started this RUMOR on many of the tech
sites. There has been absolutely no proof that the drivers caused a
hardware failure.

I had a monitor die several years ago will using a 4mb Triton AGP card and a
12mb Voodoo2 addon card... I wonder what drivers were responsible for that
monitor failure?

A fact of life... hardware failures happen from time to time... people
should just accept that fact instead of attempting to slag a quality product
with quality drivers.

Nvidia starting the rumor? Well maybe not. Nvidiot starting the rumor?
Probably.

 

[Ben Pope]

Give me a break one or two people started this RUMOR on many of the tech
sites. There has been absolutely no proof that the drivers caused a
hardware failure.

And equally there's no proof that nVidia started the rumour.

I had a monitor die several years ago will using a 4mb Triton AGP card
and a 12mb Voodoo2 addon card... I wonder what drivers were responsible
for that monitor failure?

None, as we all know.

A fact of life... hardware failures happen from time to time... people
should just accept that fact instead of attempting to slag a quality
product with quality drivers.
Indeed.

Nvidia starting the rumor? Well maybe not. Nvidiot starting the rumor?
Probably.

It's pointless arguing who started a rumour and then calling them names
etc., the point is whether or not the basis of the rumour lies in fact or
not. And it's pretty unlikely that software can damage a well designed
monitor, no matter how badly written it is.

Ben

 

[patrickp]

<snip>

Anyway i decided to

give it yet another shot, so I log into Easynews, retrieve an ISO of XP
corp and a keygenerator (On a side note: I have NEVER understood why
anyone would spend as much a 5 min on peer to peer file swapping, when
sites like Easynews, for a mere 10 bucks, gives you a full 25 days of
usenet postings with a http interface.... beyond me>

Henrik
San Diego CA

And there's no chance, of course, that it could have been anything other
than the ATi drivers...

patrickp

 

[JAD]

here's a thought why didn't you download the proper driver for your monitor? nearly every machine I've had to do some kind of
display problem repair, ends up having 'default monitor' as the description...(not even plugnplay) or some other name that seems
like they just picked a 17' from the list and used it. Or left an old INF behind after an upgrade.

 

[Jonathan DeVowe]

Most of these complaints can be tracked down to Nvidia fan boys who have
never used an ATI card before. On every new major driver release from ATI.
Usually this happens when features are added not found in previous releases,
like the new VPU recover, profiles, etc. in 3.8 or when the drivers first
became unified under the Catalyst name or when they first required DirectX
9, and on and on and on. There are such unfounded complaints all over the
Internet for many driver versions put out to try to scare people from the
ATI camp to the Nvidia camp. Same happens with Nvidia drivers being attacked
ATI fan boys who have never used an Nvidia card.

I say give it up. Read the reviews and try it out for a week (most stores
will take it back if you're not satisfied with it). Then if either an ATI
or Nvidia card turns out to be the best for your situation or preferences,
get it and STFU.

 

[Gonzo]

Probably because he is either a coplete dimbass or an Nvidiot troll.

What really gets me is that even "IF" the monitor got overrefreshed because
the dumbass used the wrong inf file or a 3rd party refresh rate adjuster,
ANY pc-literate person will tell you that the monitor WILL warn you with a
high pitched whine and junk on the screen before it goes dead.

Either he is a complete dumbass or his 10 year old monitor finally died of
old age and he wants ATi to pay for a new monitor because his Mom didn't
give him his allowance LOL.

here's a thought why didn't you download the proper driver for your

monitor? nearly every machine I've had to do some kind of

display problem repair, ends up having 'default monitor' as the

description...(not even plugnplay) or some other name that seems

 

[Pluvious]

Another shitty experience with a display card from ATI ........

You can take your rant elsewhere buddy.. it's not ATI's fault your monitor died.

Here's the OFFICAL response from ATI about this.

Read and educate yourself....

-=-=-=-=-=--==-=--=-=-
ATI SPEAK: CATALYST 3.8 - The TRUTH not the Rumours

Terry Makedon and Chris Hook from ATI have posted a reply to statements made
recently regarding problems with Cat 3.8 overheating and all sorts of other
claims, you can read and discuss in This thread

RESPONSE TO ALLEGED MONITOR FAILURE ISSUE
We have spent a great deal of time trying to reproduce this problem and
analyzing our driver code. There is nothing in our driver code that has changed
since CAT 3.7 to CAT 3.8 that could possibly cause this behaviour. We believe
that our drivers are not causing these alleged problems.
We do not currently believe these stories are valid. We have already confirmed
that of the nearly 100 OEM customer programs have asked for and received this
driver, we have received no reports on any such problem from the OEMs. We have
also run comprehensive QA tests on the driver before releasing it and have had
no cases of failed monitors.
Since we announced CATALYST 3.8 on October 8th, we have recorded hundreds of
thousands of downloads, and thus far there have been absolutely no reports
whatsoever to ATI’s Customer Support department to report monitors failing.

TECHNICAL REBUTTAL OF MONITOR FAILURE ALLEGATIONS
There have been many posts in the forums discussing this issue, it seems it is a
common theory, picked up from one place and keep being circulated. One such
theory suggests the following:
“Instead of reading the refresh rates from the PRIMARY display INF files, it is
reading the SECONDARY display INF refresh rates.”
In XP and 2K, we don’t have access to monitor INF information in our driver
component that manages display capability. We have never used this monitor
information for any purpose. We rely on EDID data or user override information
to determine monitor capability. Even though the OS may use the monitor
information to expose high refresh rate based on monitor INF content, the driver
always restricts the actual refresh rate going to the monitor based on EDID or
the user override. In essence, the user may be able to select from OS controlled
monitor page (in advanced property pages) a high refresh rate but internally
driver will restrict the refresh rate going to the monitor based on EDID
information or user override information. If user set the override information
incorrectly then incompatible signals would be sent to the monitor.
In 9x, we can access monitor INF information but due to issues with how OS maps
the INF to a monitor, we had disabled reading the monitor INF via registry.
Unless someone deliberately changes the registry setting for this in 9x, they
would not run into any monitor INF related issues.

RESPONSE TO ALLEGED HARDWARE OVERHEATING ISSUE
We have spent a great deal of time analyzing the temperatures due to the
CATALYST 3.8 drivers. We do not under any circumstance see anything near a 10
degree Celsius increase in temperature (but we don’t overclock our test cards
either). We do see a slight increase in temperature in certain cases (3Dmark2003
Nature Scene for example). However any temperature increase is well within our
safety range. Investigation continues and we are trying to determine why this
change in temperature exits. At this point we are reproducing individual driver
packages with code being checked in and measuring the temperature. However
nothing shows the alleged increase in temperature. One independent website
(DriverHeaven.net) even tried to reproduce this issue, and found no measurable
difference in temperature between CATALYST 3.7 and 3.8.

http://www.driverheaven.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28968

Pluvious

 

[Don Burnette]

Another shitty experience with a display card from ATI ........

Advice anyone?

Sure, stop stealing software - says a lot about the person..


Don Burnette

 

[somnambulist]

FORMER ATI user wrote:

<snip trolling exercise>

You lightweight, I'd rate that a 3.2/10. Try better next time if you want
to scare people.

 

[GTD]

Lets see now, when I open up display properties go to settings,
advanced, monitor I have a liitle tick box that states hide
modes this monitor cannot display under the refresh rate
heading. It even warns unticking it can lead to damaged
hardware.

I leave this ticked, installing the CAT 3.8's has not unticked
this, so how exactly do they cause monitors to fail by trying to
display outside the range?

Oh they don't! The user pulls the trigger by unticking the box
and then using a higher refresh rate than their monitor can
handle because they know best.

No, the monitor does not TRY to use the unsupported refresh rate. One
reason for the ability to select 'unsupported' refresh rates, are that
some manufacturers of monitors use one unified driver set for all
their monitors, and that driver tells the computer what refresh rates
are available, often leaving out some that are usable for their
higher-end monitors. If you have an old, cheap monitor, damage 'could'
happen, because it may have nothing in place to check the refresh
rate. the fact is that that disclaimer is there so ATI doesn't have to
buy some bonehead a brand new monitor because they didn't know what
they were doing and fried their old spawned-out Monitor and were
looking for someone to get them a new one. It's been YEARS sence a
monitor has been made that doesn't have this protection. I still have
the monitor that came with one of my first PCs (a 486-25), and even IT
has this protection.

 

[Bill]

<snipocrapo>

Looks like another Nvidia shill.

Bill

 

[Mustafa Krap]

Another shitty experience with a display card from ATI ........
Here's the story. Long time ago I bought an all in wonder Raedeon
display card. The very first before they added any kind of numbers to
the model designator. True... the capture software, Guide+ and the time
shifting features are very compelling and in the brief moments when it
actually worked I was thrilled. But always....... Crash BSOD. I must
have spent weeks trying to resolve various issues with this card, sound
breaking up (the pop pop issue) frames skipping, and always in the end
the BSOD. I must have done a 1000 searches in forums and tried every
possible remedy, new motherboard, new ram, new PSU even a new AIW, you
name it,.... I tried it. I finally gave up on all the features and used
it as a plane display card only. No MMC just plane old graphics card.
Time passes and I decide to give it another try, maybe this could be
something related to the OS? The only thing I never really tried. I've
been running W2K, and XP never really appealed to me (it is kind of
gayish isn't it ? fluffy icons in pastel colors ;-)) Anyway i decided to
give it yet another shot, so I log into Easynews, retrieve an ISO of XP
corp and a keygenerator (On a side note: I have NEVER understood why
anyone would spend as much a 5 min on peer to peer file swapping, when
sites like Easynews, for a mere 10 bucks, gives you a full 25 days of
usenet postings with a http interface.... beyond me!). XP installs like
a charm, and to probe just how good the Keygen is I decide to subscribe
to windows automated update, and bingo!, everything DX9b, SP1,
soundblaster and updated displaydrivers for the All in wonder comes
flying down from Microsoft, reboot a couple of times and I'm good to
go.... And this is where I make the crucial mistake In order to install
the MMC I download the full package from ATI, i.e.. the full 25 meg of
drivers,control panel and VDM capture drivers. After install and the
mandatory reboot, I manage to see the XP "Welcome" greeting before the
monitor goes into some insane state. No H-sync Out of control V-sync.
This lasted about 5 sec and I clearly remember thinking SHIT! I've seen
this before (About 10 years ago when I by mistake screwed up the driver
on a 386box with a 5k$ Eizo monitor and destroyed the monitor beyond
repair). I tried to power down the monitor, but just before I hit the
power bottom the H-sync completely died, a only a very bright vertical
bar was showing. Viewsonic P225f bye bye....
This is when I turn to Google and discovers that people before me
have experienced the same thing. What I also see are the people who
dismiss this including of cource ATI. But i recon the chances of my
monitor dying less than 30 sec after installation of the Catalyst 3.8
driver are a million to one.
What would you guys do? Isn't this finally a case where a software
developer could be held responsible for the garbage they advise people
to download?
In any case, let this be a warning. I've seen a lot of "advice" being
posted in newsgroup and forums. Usually it's based on nothing but
personal preferences or less than accurate facts (e.g. Turtle beach
sound card fixes everything!) This is the real thing. This driver set is
a "killer". If anyone is interested, I have full logs of driver
installations and JPG's to prove the state of FORMERLY great monitor.
Advice anyone?

btw THIS is a plane AIW radeon, so the problem is not confined to 9800
or 9700 boards...

Henrik
San Diego CA

Serves you right for stealing software, next time try buying your OS and
then learn how to install a videocard....Loser!

 

[Stephen Green]

BULLSHIT! 3.8 works perfectly on my 8500DV!