Voracious Microsoft wants $450 for Vista

[Boe]

Yeah - I have to admit never ever had a problem with that although I had a
devil of a time finding linux disk drivers for a sony laptop the other day.

 

[Wes Newell]

News Flash; There *ARE* viruses on the linux platform. Linux boxes are not
immune to viruses!

Yep. And they are all windows viruses and don't do a thing on a linux
system. There are no lniux viruses that will do anything on Linux
platforms. The root system is protected from such garbage. To alow virus
damage, one would have to circumvent the the inherent protection built in.
OTOH, when nimda was first making the rounds, I'd got thousands of hits a
day from other windows servers that got logged. I've never run windows at
home. I've never had a virus at home other than windows viruses that may
pass through, which do nothing to my machine. So while there may be
viruses for linux, they can't do any damage. Prior to switching to Linux
in 2000, I ran OS/2. never had a virus there either. The funny thing, if
you want to call it funny, is the amount of time, and money spent where I
worked to try and protect their all windows system from viruses.
Rediculous.

 

[Merrill P. L. Worthington]

Did we ever say otherwise? And care to name just one that has spread in
the wild? Didn't think so.

Yes, there are proof of concept viruses for linux in the lab but due to
the source code being freely available and the way security is enabled
within linux they cannot and have not spread. And if there was a
weakness that the virus was exploiting, it is usually patched within hours.

*That* is the difference between a real OS and a poorly designed and
maintained one.

Doncha think that if these was a Linux virus or major vulnerability that
Microsoft would exploit that to an exagerated point to turn public
opinion?

 

[VanShania]

Hey I'm just messin with ya

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[Merrill P. L. Worthington]

Hey I'm just messin with ya

Yep, just another 14 year old troll.

 

[Heinrich]

Microsoft has a solid grab on the market, and I presume they will have in
the future as well.
If they make Vista double as good, they sure will take a good price for
their OS. But I remember when XP came out. The price today is about a
quarter of then.
I am user of both XP and suse Linux. I like them both. Using windows for
gaming, multimedia and sometime office work. suse for programming, Internet
browsing, downloading and to mess around with the OS. That is actually the
greatest reason for my use with suse, and what a thrill... That is something
no other OS is about. The freedom to tweak ANYTHING is amazing.

 

[kukkanen]

And, it is now much easier to install than XP (try installing XP on a

S-ATA drive if you're a newbie!).

Well, duh? Old Linux distros don't do that easily either, what's your
point? (XP SP2 installs just fine on SATA device w/o a driver disk - a
bit of a problem if don't have one

 

[kukkanen]

Unless linix becomes as versatile as Mac's OS X, it will only be used by
those who don't have much to do anyways

Or who know what the hell they are doing to begin with.

 

[VanShania]

Can you play all the latest games(or should I say "any games") on LINIX? How
about any and all programming compilers like Visual Basic, Cobol, C/C++,
Microsoft Office products(you know, what every business is using right
now)?, how about video editing?

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Empire Earth 2, Need For Speed: Underground 2,
Civ IV, Warhammer 40,000 Gold

 

[know code]

Can you play all the latest games(or should I say "any games") on LINIX?

I have no idea about LINIX but I know you can play games on LINUX!
Besides, I always thought a games console was designed for playing games
on....

How
about any and all programming compilers like Visual Basic, Cobol, C/C++,

Visual Basic? Isn't that only used on Windoze? Why would anyone want
to use that Mickey Mouse language on a good OS like Linux? As for
C/C++, of course you can. Ever heard of gcc?

Now, if you want to talk about languages.... does Windoze support
Fortran, Haskell, Perl, Python, Ruby, Tcl? These all come supplied as
STANDARD with SUSE linux at no additional cost. How many of those come
supplied with Windoze, and if they don't, how much do they cost? Now
tell me which is the more programmer oriented OS!

Microsoft Office products(you know, what every business is using right
now)?,

Ever heard of Open Office? It reads and writes MS proprietary formats
AND supports the ISO **STANDARD** which M$ Office does not! And, it is
FREE. Remind me how much M$ Office Pro is again?

how about video editing?

Of course! Do some research before posting M$ FUD!

 

[Wes Newell]

Can you play all the latest games(or should I say "any games") on LINIX?

Sure you can play all the latest Linux Games on Linux. And you can also
play most if not all win32 games on it too I'm told, but I don't know are
care. I've been running Linux for about 5 years and still haven't looked
at all the free games that just came with the distro I use.

How about any and all programming compilers like Visual Basic, Cobol, C/C++,
Microsoft Office products(you know, what every business is using right
now)?, how about video editing?

You've got to be kidding me. There's more developement sofware for Linux
than a windows user could even think of, much less have or afford. As for
office suites, take your pick of several. Open office probably being the
most recognizable. I don't do video editing, but check with some of the
major movie companies that edit their movies with Linux if you want
professional software. Otherwise there's many free packages.

For $0 you get what would cost thousands for software for Windows. Only
drawback is that you don't get all those free virues for windows.

 

[VanShania]

Well my hat is off for you LINIX users

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Games I'm Playing- IL-2 Sturmovick Series
Empire Earth 2, Need For Speed: Underground 2,
Civ IV, Warhammer 40,000 Gold

 

[Carlo Razzeto]

VanShania wrote:

I have no idea about LINIX but I know you can play games on LINUX!
Besides, I always thought a games console was designed for playing games
on....

Sure, but extreamly limited... ID does a good job supporting linux, no one
else does for the most part.

Visual Basic? Isn't that only used on Windoze? Why would anyone want

VB isn't my fav, but with VB.Net it works like any other language in the
..Net family so who cares?

to use that Mickey Mouse language on a good OS like Linux? As for C/C++,
of course you can. Ever heard of gcc?

GCC is a rather bleh compiler... It does it's job, but you don't get very
well optimized code. This is why, for instance you don't see very many
itanium linux machines

Now, if you want to talk about languages.... does Windoze support Fortran,
Haskell, Perl, Python, Ruby, Tcl? These all come supplied as STANDARD
with SUSE linux at no additional cost. How many of those come supplied
with Windoze, and if they don't, how much do they cost? Now tell me which
is the more programmer oriented OS!

Fortran yes, Python yes, Tcl - god talk about awful languages, who cares if
windows supports it, Perl of course. Haskell and Ruby I'm not as familar
with but I'm sure there is support

Ever heard of Open Office? It reads and writes MS proprietary formats AND
supports the ISO **STANDARD** which M$ Office does not! And, it is FREE.
Remind me how much M$ Office Pro is again?

I'm not a fan of open office, MS products seem to perform better. Not sure
what you're talking about with "propriatary formats".... As far as I know
open office doesn't use a document standard that's any more open than
Micrsofts. Are there other office products that support Open office document
formats nativly? As far as Open Document vs. the new MS format, they're both
equally open so whatever.

Of course! Do some research before posting M$ FUD!

And you please do some before posting this kind of crap. Not that I defend
the uninformed opinion that the original poster put out there, but as far as
I can see yours isn't any better.

Carlo

 

[know code]

VB isn't my fav, but with VB.Net it works like any other language in the
.Net family so who cares?

..Net? That's M$ proprietary Windoze only stuff, isn't it? So, as you
say, who cares!

I'm not a fan of open office, MS products seem to perform better. Not sure
what you're talking about with "propriatary formats"....

M$ Office documents use a proprietary file format. Other applications
can only read/write M$ formats because they have been reverse
engineered. The reason some M$ documents do not display properly in
other apps?.... because M$ have never released the formatting used!
OTOH, the OpenDocument Format (ODF) as used by Open Office is a fully
open format and has been standardised by the International Standards
Organisation in ISO/IEC 26300. This means that *any* app which conforms
to this ISO standard format will be able to read/write ODF files. No
doubt M$ will install a .odt filter in Word so it can read OpenOffice
text documents, but I wonder will they release the formatting of their
..doc files so OpenOffice can read M$ files? I know where my money on
that debate is! Go to the link below for more details on the ISO standard!

http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20060503080915835

As far as I know
open office doesn't use a document standard that's any more open than
Micrsofts.

See answer above. It is ISO standard ISO/IEC 26300.

Are there other office products that support Open office document
formats nativly? As far as Open Document vs. the new MS format, they're both
equally open so whatever.

M$ documents are not an open format and never have been. They are a
closed proprietary format, just like M$ source code. See answer above
as to why OpenOffice can read them.

And you please do some before posting this kind of crap. Not that I defend
the uninformed opinion that the original poster put out there, but as far as
I can see yours isn't any better.

Maybe you should do some research! I have as can be evidenced above.
Clearly you haven't!

 

[know code]

Go to the link below for more details on the ISO standard!

http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20060503080915835

Or if you prefer something from the ISO themselves, then try this link.

http://www.iso.org/iso/en/commcentre/pressreleases/2006/Ref1004.html

 

[Carlo Razzeto]

.Net? That's M$ proprietary Windoze only stuff, isn't it? So, as you
say, who cares!
Mono.

M$ Office documents use a proprietary file format. Other applications can
only read/write M$ formats because they have been reverse engineered. The
reason some M$ documents do not display properly in other apps?....
because M$ have never released the formatting used! OTOH, the OpenDocument
Format (ODF) as used by Open Office is a fully open format and has been
standardised by the International Standards Organisation in ISO/IEC 26300.
This means that *any* app which conforms to this ISO standard format will
be able to read/write ODF files. No doubt M$ will install a .odt filter
in Word so it can read OpenOffice text documents, but I wonder will they
release the formatting of their .doc files so OpenOffice can read M$
files? I know where my money on that debate is! Go to the link below for
more details on the ISO standard!

http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20060503080915835


See answer above. It is ISO standard ISO/IEC 26300.


M$ documents are not an open format and never have been. They are a
closed proprietary format, just like M$ source code. See answer above as
to why OpenOffice can read them.

docx etc is open just like .Net

Maybe you should do some research! I have as can be evidenced above.
Clearly you haven't!

Ditto.

 

[Merrill P. L. Worthington]

Or if you prefer something from the ISO themselves, then try this link.

http://www.iso.org/iso/en/commcentre/pressreleases/2006/Ref1004.html

Don't be too overly swayed by the fact that one thing or another
conforms to ISO standards. The standards are often drafted specifically
by vendors to get a rubber stamp of approval from ISO. These are then
used by these vendors to point accusatory fingers at others for not
being compliant.

If Microsoft were not participating in the standards process, do you
think the competing vendors that were participating would ask for their
opinion?