Vista just doen't do it

[Justin]

Ahh, MS trying to save a button by not requiring you to click one and
instead starting the search on every textbox update?

When you don't have massive amounts of data, this is really slick! It works
just like most browser address bars. As you type in each letter it updates
your results. The results spring up that quick as well!

 

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He can get a refund from MS for the upgrade. If it didn't
work out then it didn't work out. The new laptop's drivers
should be fine. If not then call Gateway and SCREAM at them
as there's no excuse for that.

One can get a refund in one form or another for most anything you
don't like most places. But, if the OP's Vista isn't entirely
useless to him and he has the time and energy to wait, then it
would be an example of cut off your nose to spite your face to
completely refund it. Now, if the OP or anyone else in a similar
situation decides that the situation is hopeless for them, and
this is perception, not necessarily fact, then they should return
it for refund if the believed fix via small individual patches
will be awhile, their apps and legacy HW will be awhile, and the
first Vista SP maybe a year.

Again, them who really do not NEED Vista for any REAL reason may
want to waid, but them who MUST have it NOW, cannot, thus they
face a Hobson's choice - return now and be some degree of
disadvantaged or unhappy, or keep it until who knows when and be
some degree of disadvanted or on happy for some unknown period of
time.

One contemplating upgrading ANYTHING on their system should
discern between "must have" and "would really like".

 

[Justin]

One can get a refund in one form or another for most anything you
don't like most places.
ok?

But, if the OP's Vista isn't entirely
useless to him and he has the time and energy to wait, then it
would be an example of cut off your nose to spite your face to

What? That doesn't make any sense to me. Get a refund for Vista and buy it
again later when your machine has decent drivers. You aren't spiting
anything. You are still "waiting" as you so put it. Only instead of
sitting on $400 (or whatever) you have that $400 in the bank earning
interest.

No one NEEDS Vista. The only consumer product one might NEED is food and
water. Toiletries would be nice to.

 

[Adam Albright]

No one NEEDS Vista. The only consumer product one might NEED is food and
water. Toiletries would be nice to.

You live in a big cardboard box, a tent, or a homeless shelter for
Microsoft apologists?

 

[Frank]

What? That doesn't make any sense to me. Get a refund for Vista and
buy it again later when your machine has decent drivers. You aren't
spiting anything. You are still "waiting" as you so put it. Only
instead of sitting on $400 (or whatever) you have that $400 in the bank
earning interest.

No one NEEDS Vista. The only consumer product one might NEED is food
and water. Toiletries would be nice to.

Actually all any man needs is a cave, spear and a women. Everything else
is a luxury.
Frank

 

[Justin]

Actually all any man needs is a cave, spear and a women. Everything else
is a luxury.

I think you just offended the entire gay population

However, much agreed!

 

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Today, Justin made these interesting comments ...

What? That doesn't make any sense to me. Get a refund for
Vista and buy it again later when your machine has decent
drivers. You aren't spiting anything. You are still
"waiting" as you so put it. Only instead of sitting on $400
(or whatever) you have that $400 in the bank earning interest.

Yes, except that actually getting a refund on Vista isn't trivial.
You cannot get your money back from the store, so you must petition
MS. I don't know how long that takes, but I wouldn't buy it in the
first place unless it met a need vs a want.

No one NEEDS Vista. The only consumer product one might NEED
is food and water. Toiletries would be nice to.

That is correct. But, whether one does or doesn't get a refund,
they would be left with the problem of nuking their system and
installing XP, assuming they already have it or can still buy it
somewhere.

 

[Justin]

That is correct. But, whether one does or doesn't get a refund,
they would be left with the problem of nuking their system and
installing XP, assuming they already have it or can still buy it
somewhere.

Ok, I see what you're commenting on now. What if someone upgraded and
didn't give themselves the opportunity to revert back? So now they're
stuck?

Well, I have no sympathy for them. 1. They did not qualify their machine
for the upgrade. Which is understandable on many levels but none the less
then they also 2. Did not backup or allow Vista to keep the old OS.

Bummer.

 

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I think you just offended the entire gay population

There is no such thing, that is a PC euphemism, the real word
cannot be spoken in polite company but it is much more in line with
the moral of many people as well as the teachings of the Bible in
the Old Testament and Jesus' teachings in the New Testament.

 

[Justin]

Well, now it's just not funny anymore

Today, Justin made these interesting comments ...

There is no such thing, that is a PC euphemism, the real word
cannot be spoken in polite company but it is much more in line with
the moral of many people as well as the teachings of the Bible in
the Old Testament and Jesus' teachings in the New Testament.

 

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Ok, I see what you're commenting on now. What if someone
upgraded and didn't give themselves the opportunity to revert
back? So now they're stuck?

Well, I have no sympathy for them. 1. They did not qualify
their machine for the upgrade. Which is understandable on
many levels but none the less then they also 2. Did not backup
or allow Vista to keep the old OS.

Some people say that others are dumb for a long time. If you
"upgrade" to anything at all and discover you don't like it,
"unupgrading" even with a product refund can be difficult. My
point was that if the OP or others suggesting they get a refund
succeed, they still have the problem of getting rid of Vista.
AFAIK, that requires a nuke and reinstall of XP or whatever other
O/S they previously had. But, if they bought Vista on a new PC,
then they would have to return that for a refund, if it is
possible, and would then have nothing at all.

It boils down to this in my mind: if you think you must upgrade
to get something you think you need or want, then by all means do
so - after you research the upgrade to ensure that it does what
you need/want and is ready for primetime. But, if you're in the
market for a new PC for good, bad, or indifferent reasons, you
may be stuck unless you find and buy XP somewhere and see if you
can install it on your new PC.

But, to your last point, there is never a substitute for
knowledge when buying anything, whether it be an O/S,
applicatioon software, or anything in the consumer market at all.
To do less is an invitation to disaster at some level. Sympathy I
do not have, especially when it gets into whining.

 

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Well, now it's just not funny anymore

whatever you mean, I would say it is best to keep politics and
religion out of here, but if I see and smell horseshit, I am likely
to say something about it

 

[Justin]

But, to your last point, there is never a substitute for
knowledge when buying anything, whether it be an O/S,
applicatioon software, or anything in the consumer market at all.
To do less is an invitation to disaster at some level. Sympathy I
do not have, especially when it gets into whining.

Much agreed. People are slowly starting to forget they are responsible for
their own actions.

 

[Stephan Rose]

Much agreed. People are slowly starting to forget they are responsible
for their own actions.

Starting to forget??

I think responsibility for their own actions went out the window already a
long time ago for most people.

And the baby-sitting that Vista does only enforces this.

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[Justin]

Starting to forget??

Yes, starting! What you are referring to where people that just didn't
care.

And the baby-sitting that Vista does only enforces this.

You make no sense. Please fill us in on the baby-sitting Vista does? ;p

 

[Stephan Rose]

Starting to forget??

I think responsibility for their own actions went out the window already a
long time ago for most people.

And the baby-sitting that Vista does only enforces this.

I meant to say...reinforces this. =)


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[Stephan Rose]

Yes, starting! What you are referring to where people that just didn't
care.


You make no sense. Please fill us in on the baby-sitting Vista does? ;p

Oh come on now!!! You aren't going to make me type out UAC now are you??? =P

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[Justin]

I wouldn't call that baby sitting. With all the crap MS get's for having
the leading OS (which is why it's attacked so much (security)) they locked
it down.

Granted OSX does this better but then again I've heard OSX users complain
about having to input their password over and over and over and over and
over again.

 

[Stephan Rose]

I wouldn't call that baby sitting. With all the crap MS get's for having
the leading OS (which is why it's attacked so much (security)) they locked
it down.

Come on now. Do you really thing constantly bugging the user with countless
security popups is going to do anything for security?

Any type of security that requires user input is inevitably bound for
failure.

Users make mistakes. Users are human beings. They are sometimes in a hurry
and don't pay attention. Some are just too plain stupid and should never go
near a computer; If asked to press any key they'd go look for it on their
keyboard.

Any security system that is counting on the above to make the right
decisions can only fail.

Granted OSX does this better but then again I've heard OSX users complain
about having to input their password over and over and over and over and
over again.

As far as Kubuntu goes, I put my password in exactly 2 times:

- Login
- First time something wants to access my protected data that contains my
passwords for my e-mail server, website logins, etc.

That is 1 time more than I need to for the XP login. No biggie.

After that...unless I do something that requires root access no password
prompt. And the only thing I generally need root access for these days is
if I am installing a new package which doesn't happen all that often. Only
reason I ever really do that at all is because I am running the beta
version of beryl and it has occasional updates. That accounts for over 90%
of my package updates.

I can't imagine OSX being all that much different in that regard.


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[Justin]

Come on now. Do you really thing constantly bugging the user with
countless
security popups is going to do anything for security?

Yes I do. I believe Symantec just released a document stating as such.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

UAC is a pain in the arse. I turn it off. But it's good for some.

Any type of security that requires user input is inevitably bound for
failure.

So, OSX is bound for failure as well?

I can't imagine OSX being all that much different in that regard.

OSX? OSX asks you for a password every time you want to do something.

Change a system setting
Install something
.....