Upgrade memory on ECS K7S5A mobo?

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Marcus

I see what appears to be a very good deal for 512MB PC3200 DDR 400MHz
Memory CL3. I was thinking of getting 2 sticks for my ECS K7S5A
motherboard. It is an older board (about 3 years). The specs say it
can handle max of 1GB RAM DDR. The max FSB is 166mhz I think. Will the
memory mentioned above work on this board?

Thanks for any feedback.

Marcus
 
C

Conor

Marcus said:
I see what appears to be a very good deal for 512MB PC3200 DDR 400MHz
Memory CL3. I was thinking of getting 2 sticks for my ECS K7S5A
motherboard. It is an older board (about 3 years). The specs say it
can handle max of 1GB RAM DDR. The max FSB is 166mhz I think. Will the
memory mentioned above work on this board?
Yes.
 
K

kony

I see what appears to be a very good deal for 512MB PC3200 DDR 400MHz
Memory CL3. I was thinking of getting 2 sticks for my ECS K7S5A
motherboard. It is an older board (about 3 years). The specs say it
can handle max of 1GB RAM DDR. The max FSB is 166mhz I think. Will the
memory mentioned above work on this board?

Thanks for any feedback.

Marcus

In theory it should work but in practice a lot of those
boards were quite buggy, particularly with regards to
memory. I'd suggest CAS 2 or 2.5 as a better attempt with
that board, possibly still needing to manually lower the
timings to CAS3, OR if that didn't work you could then try
another motherboard. It could work though, should work, but
may not. Be sure to test with memtest86 for several hours.
 
Z

Zdenek Sojka

kony said:
In theory it should work but in practice a lot of those
boards were quite buggy, particularly with regards to
memory. I'd suggest CAS 2 or 2.5 as a better attempt with
that board, possibly still needing to manually lower the
timings to CAS3, OR if that didn't work you could then try
another motherboard. It could work though, should work, but
may not. Be sure to test with memtest86 for several hours.

I was using memtest86 with no errors, but later tried goldmemory
(shareware), which found some problems.

The way to get all working was increasing CPU voltage (1.65->1.70) (AthlonXP
2600+, MSI KT6 Delta)
Another CPU - Duron 1300, Abit K7T133, GF4MX440 - had big problems with
running 3D apps.
The way was increasing voltage again - 1.75->1.825. But I am so unhappy this
happens. There are good PSUs
(350W first case, 400W fortron second case).

I really dont understand where is the problem...

Zdenek Sojka
 
K

Ken

Marcus said:
I see what appears to be a very good deal for 512MB PC3200 DDR 400MHz
Memory CL3. I was thinking of getting 2 sticks for my ECS K7S5A
motherboard. It is an older board (about 3 years). The specs say it
can handle max of 1GB RAM DDR. The max FSB is 166mhz I think. Will the
memory mentioned above work on this board?

Thanks for any feedback.

Marcus

Marcus,

I too purchased some memory for the same model of MB. Below are my
comments from a Posting dated 12-20-04 I made in a different NG:

___________________________

"I have the above MB and currently have two sticks of 256MB PC2700 DDR
installed in it. One stick is Kingston Value Ram and the other is a
Nanya stick. The computer is solid as a rock running with an Athlon 2200+.

I just purchased a single stick of 512MB Kingston Value Ram
(also PC2700), and installed it alone in the MB. It recognized the full
512 MB upon boot. After encountering many errors I finally tested the
new DDR with DocMem 2.2 and it detected errors at about 256MB. Thinking
I had purchased a bad stick, I exchanged it for another like it and
found I encountered the same type of error with the DocMem test.

After having searched the news groups for comments about
Kingston DDR and this MB, I found no comments critical of it, but I did
find a poster ask someone who was having problem with DDR if he had
double sided DDR?
Is there a problem with DDR with chips on both sides with this MB? I
tried loosening the settings in CMOS to see if that would allow the DDR
to work, but it did not work. I even slowed the settings down to 100 +
100 rather than 133 + 133 and it still failed test. Since PC2700 is
faster than a 133 FSB setting requires, I would have thought it would
have run easily.

Anyone have some insight on using such RAM on this MB? Thanks."
___________________________

Taking the story further, it seems that there is no guarantee that you
will or will not have problems. Kingston is generally recognized as
decent memory and this stick was rated CL2.5. After the second stick
also failed, I took it to a neighbor who tested it on his computer and
it passed DocMem several times. The conclusion is that like others have
said, the MB is temperamental and might not accept the memory. On the
other hand, it might?

Ken
 
M

Martin

Marcus said:
I see what appears to be a very good deal for 512MB PC3200 DDR 400MHz
Memory CL3. I was thinking of getting 2 sticks for my ECS K7S5A
motherboard. It is an older board (about 3 years). The specs say it
can handle max of 1GB RAM DDR. The max FSB is 166mhz I think. Will the
memory mentioned above work on this board?

Thanks for any feedback.

Marcus

(Don't quote me on this!)

The K7S5A Pro won't boot with a 166FSB - a limit of an on-board oscillator
or timer i read.
So other than the 133FSB, you'd then need to (incrementally) overclock the
FSB using the BIOS (You'd need to flash an overclocking BIOS - easy enough).
I remember a ~150FSB being a realistic overclock - the K7S5A Pro would still
boot.

Once booted into Windows (if that's your OS), you can (or should be able to)
software overclock the FSB to 166 (maybe more?) successfully using Speedfan
utitlity.
(Untested by me).

Or you can just let the memory run at 133FSB - but not benefit from it's
full potential.

I'm itching to ditch my K7S5A Pro and 512MBs of PC133 and get an
Athlon64....
I don't think there's point in wasting money upgrading such an antique
motherboard!

Martin.
 
K

kony

On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:12:01 -0000, "Martin"

I don't think there's point in wasting money upgrading such an antique
motherboard!


Plus quite a few of them had turquise and silver sleeved
G-Luxon caps that seemed to prefer a vented disposition
(failure).
 
K

Ken

kony said:
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:12:01 -0000, "Martin"





Plus quite a few of them had turquise and silver sleeved
G-Luxon caps that seemed to prefer a vented disposition
(failure).

Your comment regarding "Turquoise and silver sleeved" caps prompted me
to look at my MB. I have a few of those type caps, but they are not in
the regulator circuit. On the MB you are citing, are they everywhere or
in some area other than the regulator??? I was just wondering if I have
a MB I must watch. Thanks.
 
J

jaster

(Don't quote me on this!)

The K7S5A Pro won't boot with a 166FSB - a limit of an on-board oscillator
or timer i read.
So other than the 133FSB, you'd then need to (incrementally) overclock the
FSB using the BIOS (You'd need to flash an overclocking BIOS - easy
enough). I remember a ~150FSB being a realistic overclock - the K7S5A Pro
would still boot.

Once booted into Windows (if that's your OS), you can (or should be able
to) software overclock the FSB to 166 (maybe more?) successfully using
Speedfan utitlity.
(Untested by me).

Or you can just let the memory run at 133FSB - but not benefit from it's
full potential.

I'm itching to ditch my K7S5A Pro and 512MBs of PC133 and get an
Athlon64....
I don't think there's point in wasting money upgrading such an antique
motherboard!

Martin.


I couldn't agree more with all of your comments.
 
K

kony

I was using memtest86 with no errors, but later tried goldmemory
(shareware), which found some problems.

It's good that you found the problems but based on what was
needed to solve them, the memory wasn't the problem. I
will typically suggest someone run Prime 95's Torture Test
for several hours to check the CPU/related.
The way to get all working was increasing CPU voltage (1.65->1.70) (AthlonXP
2600+, MSI KT6 Delta)
Another CPU - Duron 1300, Abit K7T133, GF4MX440 - had big problems with
running 3D apps.
The way was increasing voltage again - 1.75->1.825. But I am so unhappy this
happens. There are good PSUs
(350W first case, 400W fortron second case).

I really dont understand where is the problem...

Zdenek Sojka

Are they running hot?
The cooler the CPU the lower the voltage needs be. It's not
a very large difference but if it were borderline... could
just be the boards though. Your problems are unusual
compared to those I've seen, usually the CPU stays quite
stable at stock voltage and frequency.
 
K

kony

Your comment regarding "Turquoise and silver sleeved" caps prompted me
to look at my MB. I have a few of those type caps, but they are not in
the regulator circuit. On the MB you are citing, are they everywhere or
in some area other than the regulator??? I was just wondering if I have
a MB I must watch. Thanks.

There are other makes that have also been turquoise and
silver, like Sanyos. Well they might've actually been a
little closer to hunter green, but anyway...

Among the caps I've seen failed, G-Luxons, particularly the
turquoise w/silver, do so quite often. I can't very well
claim they're ALL defective, could just be unsuitable for
their applied use in some circuits, on some boards.

K7S5A has had them all over the boards, of larger (>= 1000
mfd) caps there are roughly 16 or more of those G-Luxons...
though at some point ECS replaced 3 of them with Purple &
Gold striped Ost caps. Anywhere there was high ripple
they'd be subject to failure, and heat shouldn't help either
since they're electrolytics. There were several most-likely
to fail about the CPU socket, at the top and bottom of the
memory slots, nearer the northbridge and AGP slot.

Others not (as) likely to fail (or at least not rupturing by
the time the board had failed from the OTHER ones failing
sooner) might be around the USB pin headers, between PCI
slots.

I would be weary of relying on any board that uses
significant numbers of those caps. I believe G-Luxon also
has other cap models with higher impedance and that
sometimes a board manufacturer will use the turquoise simply
because they bought in high enough volume to use them.
Otherwise I've seen boards using better Rubycon, Nichicon,
United Chemcon caps in the subcircuits with highe ripple but
the Black and Gold (those I presume to be their higher
impedance model caps) G-Luxons seem to have fared well
elsewhere on the board.

I suspect what it boils down to is that the G-Luxon
Turquoise and Silver either have ESR that is too high for
per applications they're used in, misspec/cost-cutting by
the board manufacturers, OR G-luxon themselves has
mis-spec'd them... or maybe QC is just so bad that a high
percentage of the product is substandard- I dont' know and
prefer to just avoid them.

I believe G-luxon has also switched to using Pinkish-purple
sleeves too, perhaps to mimic Sanyo Oscons, I would guess.
Sleeve colors are only a first step in identifying problem
areas, but overall it can tend to come back to which
manufacturer one chooses, as ECS/PCChips seems to be one of
the worst when it comes to barely engineering their boards
to work, such that a board may work fine initially but too
little margin means the caps wearing out will reduce
stability incrementally, and randomly, the worst kind of
problem for someone to troubleshoot if the caps haven't
visably vented.

Back to your original question, you're probably ok if the
Turquoise G-Luxons aren't in the regulation subcircuits but
their presence could be a sign of other cost-cutting
measures that could effect the regulation subcircuit cap
spec'd, too... or if it ain't broke don't fix it? No easy
answer there until a problem appears and can be traced back
to the caps.
 
Z

Zdenek Sojka

Hello,

thanks for Prime'95, it is a great program, it helped me so much!

The test I used is 'In-place large FFT', which seem to be causing most
errors.

Tested the Duron 1300 - voltage range 1.70-1.80 locks up PC in a while,
1.825 stops test with error in few minutes, 1.85V causes error in 10s of
minutes.

Temperatures
1.75V - 52C normal, 62C stressed
1.85V - 57C normal, 70C stressed

Barton 2600+ - at 100 and 133 FSB, all is ok for hours on 1.35V, but with
166, I have to change to 1.675V.
(at 200, voltage 1.725, but still not able to run without errors... I dont
want to overclock anyway)

Temperatures
1.35V (133) - 43C normal, 48C stressed
1.675V (166) - 46C normal, 56C stressed

I dont think the temperatures are too high... do you?

Thanks
Zdenek Sojka
 
Z

Zdenek Sojka

And...
the cooler as some standard ~ 10USD at Duron, maybe there is a lot of dust
on it.
The Barton has its boxed AMD cooler, installed from shop, few months old.
 
Z

Zdenek Sojka

And...
the cooler as some standard ~ 10USD at Duron, maybe there is a lot of dust
on it.
The Barton has its boxed AMD cooler, installed from shop, few months old,
but there have been problems since I got it. Missing textures in UT at most
(that's the only application I get problems... but very often :-(

The way I got there is something bad with my computer was very hurting:
I have some same data on both computers. After a defragmentation run, the
data became different. Archives with CRC errors etc...
 
K

kony

And...
the cooler as some standard ~ 10USD at Duron, maybe there is a lot of dust
on it.
The Barton has its boxed AMD cooler, installed from shop, few months old,
but there have been problems since I got it. Missing textures in UT at most
(that's the only application I get problems... but very often :-(

The way I got there is something bad with my computer was very hurting:
I have some same data on both computers. After a defragmentation run, the
data became different. Archives with CRC errors etc...

Sure, Prime 95 is very useful in that it not only checks
whether the system crashes when getting hot, but that it
checks it's work so calculation errors are revealed.

Your CPUs should run completely stable at stock voltage,
_NEVER_ should you need to increase the voltage in a
properly working system.

Your temperatures didn't seem all that high, not for stock
speed stability. Overclockers might need lower temps but
that's because they're pushing the CPU, the slower it's
running the more tolerant of temps it will usually be.

You might check those fans, the dust buildup, and determine
whether it's actually heat or power that's causing your
problems. I'm not familiar with the MSI KT6 motherboard so
I can't help you there.
 
C

CBFalconer

Zdenek said:
.... snip ...

The way I got there is something bad with my computer was very
hurting: I have some same data on both computers. After a
defragmentation run, the data became different. Archives with
CRC errors etc...

When errors are occurring, you should avoid doing any writing to
the disk. Defragmenting will be fatal to your data if you have a
memory fault, for example. That is one more reason you should have
ECC memory.

Please don't top-post. Your answer belongs after, or intermixed
with, the material to which you reply, with non-germane portions
snipped.
 
Z

Zdenek Sojka

Ah, finally have time to clean that Duron from dust.
btw, I let run Prime 95 for whole day on Athlon on standard voltage and it
run without any error...

Thanks for replys anyway :)
Zdenek Sojka
 
Z

Zdenek Sojka

CBFalconer said:
When errors are occurring, you should avoid doing any writing to
the disk. Defragmenting will be fatal to your data if you have a
memory fault, for example. That is one more reason you should have
ECC memory.

Please don't top-post. Your answer belongs after, or intermixed
with, the material to which you reply, with non-germane portions
snipped.

Well, I use top-post because its simplier for me. Dont have to scroll whole
text to see where are replies...
And usually I do remember what that article was about.
Ok, to do you a favor, I replied you in this style :)

The interesting thing is that errors are made in files, but DMA is used and
CPU should not touch the data in any way.
But, maybe, it failed sometimes earlier, when I had overclocked memory on
Athlon.
And data on Duron are compressend (NTFS), so here comes the problem.

ECC memory is not suited for me. Normal memory has a parity, doesnt it?
I dont eve know whether my MoBos support them (I guess not)

Zdenek Sojka
 

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