updates to install until sp2 cd available

J

JA D

We have 56k dial up and plan to wait for the CD version of SP2.
My son is doing a clean install of XP w/SP1 while installing a new drive.
We have the October security CD which takes him through the Oct 15, 2003
updates.
We want to download ahead of time updates to make his machine current. He
will burn them a on a CD and install prior to going on-line for a final
update check.

How can we get a definative list of which files to download from the windows
Udatye Catalog to make this happen. Thanks.
 
N

Nancy

JA D,
waiting for sp2 cd is the right idea however, browsing
the net without the security patches is risky so you're
right in the way you think.
since not all the win patches are needed by your
computer, it is definitively that you do not have to
download them all, this would save you time and money
especially that you're on a 56k dialup connection.
the best way that i see it is to run windows update
manually and let it search for the patches needed by
your computer. once the search is over, note the patches
numbers and download them later on your ease.

hope i understood your question and came with a help to
you.
 
J

JA D

Nancy thanks.
I think I need to explain better. My computer is current (using windows
update. My son's computer will be a new install of XP Home w/sp1 and the
security cd thru October.
If I run Update on my computer I get nothing.
 
A

AnnonUser

JA said:
We have 56k dial up and plan to wait for the CD version of SP2.
My son is doing a clean install of XP w/SP1 while installing a new drive.
We have the October security CD which takes him through the Oct 15, 2003
updates.
We want to download ahead of time updates to make his machine current. He
will burn them a on a CD and install prior to going on-line for a final
update check.

How can we get a definative list of which files to download from the windows
Udatye Catalog to make this happen. Thanks.
Click to expand...
Stay away from SP2 at all costs. Have a read here:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=884130

Do you really want that kind of trouble?
 
M

Miss Perspicacia Tick

AnnonUser said:
Stay away from SP2 at all costs. Have a read here:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=884130

Do you really want that kind of trouble?
Click to expand...

/What/ kind of trouble?!

You are a cretinous moron - or is that a moronic cretin? I - and many others
I've spoken to - have had no problems after installing SP2 and we all have
at least one application on that list. I have several. All the problems are
soluble.There is only one disasterous issue that I am aware of and that's
with the Prescott, but you wouldn't know what that is, would you?

All other issues are either solvable by the application developer, or are
PEBCAK errors.
 
A

AnnonUser

Miss said:
/What/ kind of trouble?!

You are a cretinous moron - or is that a moronic cretin? I - and many others
I've spoken to - have had no problems after installing SP2 and we all have
at least one application on that list. I have several. All the problems are
soluble.There is only one disasterous issue that I am aware of and that's
with the Prescott, but you wouldn't know what that is, would you?

All other issues are either solvable by the application developer, or are
PEBCAK errors.
Click to expand...
Yeah, and you'd buy a car that was released in this kind of a state.

People should have to wait for developers to RECONFORM the products that
were rendered nonfunctional by MS stupidity!

Come off it, you moron. All you have to do is read the posts to realize
that SP2 is a disaster.
 
G

Guest

I just did that with my old computer running '98. I loaded and installed
all the updates on the cd, then went online and scanned for the rest. There
were quite a few, but they all installed fine. I didn't have any problems.
 
P

P.Cyr

So out of the thousands of pieces of software, you find 35 that don't work,
and that some how makes SP2 worthless?

Those programs aren't working properly because they a) weren't coded
properly b) took shortcuts in the coding or c) affect base level stuff.

SP2's new security features force programs to follow the rules more
strictly, of course a few aren't going to work.

Do you have an educated reason why we should stay from SP2?

I know dozens of people that have had ZERO problems with it, the people that
are having problems with it are a minority.

Yes, you can temporarly avoid these problems by staying away from SP2. I
guess us SP2 users will have to make due, in a world with a few problems,
but works faster, and with less risks.

It would be like saying a theme park is worthless because it's inconvieniant
to have your bags checked when entering.

--
Paul Cyr

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Protect Yourself and Others in 6 Simple Steps...
http://davechalkconnected.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=1802
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P

P.Cyr

OMG, please, read some documentation before trolling here.

See below...

--
Paul Cyr

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Protect Yourself and Others in 6 Simple Steps...
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AnnonUser said:
Yeah, and you'd buy a car that was released in this kind of a state.

People should have to wait for developers to RECONFORM the products that
were rendered nonfunctional by MS stupidity!
Click to expand...

It's not MS's stupidity, it's quite the contrary, MS is forcing developers
to not be stupid.
Those programs aren't working properly because they a) weren't coded
properly b) took shortcuts in the coding or c) affect base level stuff.

SP2's new security features force programs to follow the rules more
strictly, of course a few aren't going to work.

Do you have an educated reason why we should stay from SP2?

I know dozens of people that have had ZERO problems with it, the people that
are having problems with it are a minority.

Yes, you can temporarly avoid these problems by staying away from SP2. I
guess us SP2 users will have to make due, in a world with a few problems,
but works faster, and with less risks.

Come off it, you moron. All you have to do is read the posts to realize
that SP2 is a disaster.
Click to expand...

And of course there are going to be posts here about problems! What do you
think people post here about? How the weather is?
 
T

Thomas Wendell

Right, on YOUR computer you get nothing.. You must (at least) activate the
windows firewall on your son's computer, then go online to WinUpdate with
HIS computer to get a list of necessary updates... though I suspect most are
already on the Oct. CD, there should be some 5-8 MB to get to have it
up-to-date...

--
Tumppi
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Helsinki, Finland (remove _NOSPAM)
(translations from FI/SE not always accurate)
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H

Hans-Georg Michna

We have 56k dial up and plan to wait for the CD version of SP2.
My son is doing a clean install of XP w/SP1 while installing a new drive.
We have the October security CD which takes him through the Oct 15, 2003
updates.
We want to download ahead of time updates to make his machine current. He
will burn them a on a CD and install prior to going on-line for a final
update check.

How can we get a definative list of which files to download from the windows
Udatye Catalog to make this happen. Thanks.
Click to expand...

In this situation I would probably not install any patches at
all. Instead I would activate the firewall and run the computer
with miminized Internet exposure until the CD arrives. I think
it won't take very long.

Perhaps you can have a friend download and burn the CD, or you
can take the computer to a friend who has a fast Internet
connection and install Service Pack 2.

But if you don't want to go that way, you should use
http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com and download and install all
critical updates.

Hans-Georg
 
A

AnnonUser

P.Cyr said:
So out of the thousands of pieces of software, you find 35 that don't work,
and that some how makes SP2 worthless?

Those programs aren't working properly because they a) weren't coded
properly b) took shortcuts in the coding or c) affect base level stuff.

SP2's new security features force programs to follow the rules more
strictly, of course a few aren't going to work.

Do you have an educated reason why we should stay from SP2?

I know dozens of people that have had ZERO problems with it, the people that
are having problems with it are a minority.

Yes, you can temporarly avoid these problems by staying away from SP2. I
guess us SP2 users will have to make due, in a world with a few problems,
but works faster, and with less risks.

It would be like saying a theme park is worthless because it's inconvieniant
to have your bags checked when entering.
Click to expand...
No, it's like saying a car is worthless because the wheels come off at
highway speeds.
Software conflicts aren't the only problem. There are also continuous
reboots and BSODs. Yeah, SP2 is a helpful, necessary update. Not.
 
I

Incognitus

AnnonUser said:
No, it's like saying a car is worthless because the wheels come off at
highway speeds.
Software conflicts aren't the only problem. There are also continuous
reboots and BSODs. Yeah, SP2 is a helpful, necessary update. Not.
Click to expand...

Consider this, there's a new version of Download.Ject that is now being used
on the Internet and can compromise fully patched Windows XP machines.

Machines running SP2 (Service Pack 2) for XP are not vulnerable.

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1638184,00.asp
 
V

Vile

Any idea when the disk will be avail? I would rather wait for the CD
myself. Wait til all the bugs are worked out.
 
R

Rock

JA said:
We have 56k dial up and plan to wait for the CD version of SP2.
My son is doing a clean install of XP w/SP1 while installing a new drive.
We have the October security CD which takes him through the Oct 15, 2003
updates.
We want to download ahead of time updates to make his machine current. He
will burn them a on a CD and install prior to going on-line for a final
update check.

How can we get a definative list of which files to download from the windows
Udatye Catalog to make this happen. Thanks.
Click to expand...

Turn on the firewall and connect to the windows update site. Let it
scan for updates, note the ones it says the system needs then install
them either using AU or download them using the windows update catalog.
 
A

AnnonUser

P.Cyr said:
And you say that without a single reference.
Click to expand...
The continuous reboot and BSOD problem posts are all the reference I need.
Again, would you buy a car that rolled off the assembly line in this
condition?
 
A

AnnonUser

P.Cyr said:
I'm not talking about the references you need, I'm talking about the
references I need, and anyone else needs, to take your word that SP2 is
garbage.
Click to expand...
Same answer. Just read this board and everything M$ has about it. I
don't even really see the point to your question. If we're both looking
at the same newsgroup posts, and I cite them as backup, then how is that
MY source as opposed to the source I'm citing so you can see what I'm
basing my claim on?
 

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