Uninstall Outlook Express

[Alias]

It IS my way, George. Suppose you tell me one single function that is
lose in MSIE if OE is deleted? I've been running MSIE w/o OE for
several years and if I'm missing something, I've not noticed it?

Just curious, what email program do you use and why do you think it's better
than OE?

Alias

 

[George Hester]

I told you. I guess you didn't see it. Without OEX you will not be able to save a web page as a Web Archive; a mht. Furthermore repairing IE will reinstall it. There is a reason OEX has been included with all IE Browsers since IE 4.02 SP2. It is not because Microsoft wants to be anal. It is because IE will be less functional without it. Namely not as it was designed.

 

[Rob Stow]

Just curious, what email program do you use and why do you think it's better
than OE?

I use Firebird (browser) and Thunderbird (Mail/News).
Both developed by Mozilla.

The benefits are huge:

1.) Trust.

Mozilla hasn't done anything special to earn my trust in their
products, but MicroSoft has worked hard to destroy my trust in
IE and OE. MicroSoft has such a long history of nasty security
holes in IE and OE that I will never again trust a browser
or mail/news program developed by them.

2.) No more system crashes.

FBird and TBird aren't tied into the OS like IE and OE.
When IE or OE hangs or crashes it drags the whole system down with
it, but on those much rarer occasions where FBird or TBird crashes
only that app is affected.

3.) Security.

Again, it is largely because FBird and TBird aren't tied
into the OS the way IE and OE are.

As well, because IE and OE are used by such a huge horde of
mindless idiots who know nothing about security, IE and OE
are what the hackers target. Using IE and OE is like
renting a deer costume and wandering in the forest during
hunting season.

4.) Customizability.

For the typical user, FBird and TBird aren't much more customizable
than IE and OE, but for people willing to put in a little effort
you can achieve a *lot* by tweaking your prefs and installing
extensions. And for the fanatics there is always the source code
waiting to be tweaked.

5.) Privacy.

I trust Mozilla products to not collect information about
anything I do and send it back to Mozilla.org. I don't
trust MicroSoft products to not do those kinds of things.

 

[XS11E]

I told you. I guess you didn't see it. Without OEX you will not
be able to save a web page as a Web Archive; a mht.

Correct, but I can save a webpage as an .html file.

It is because IE will be less functional without it.

Since the .html and .mht files seem to work in the same way, how is
there less functionality?

 

[XS11E]

Just curious, what email program do you use and why do you think
it's better than OE?

I use Pegasus Mail, free at http://www.pmail.com, for email and Xnews,
also free at http://xnews.newsguy.com, for newsgroups.

Both are many times better, not only do they eliminate most of the
security flaws in OE they are easier to use, Xnews handles yEnc files
and is 100% GNKSA 2.0 (Good Net Keeping Seal of Approval) compliant
(which OE is NOT, it's so bad in that respect that in many newsgroups
some posters have set their newsreaders to killfile any posts made with
OE, pretty bad if you need help and you ask your question with OE!)

There are dozens of email clients and newsreaders out there, some of
which, IMHO, really suck but they are all better than OE.

 

[George Hester]

When you save as a html then what you get is a extra folder called saved_files. This folder may in fact be empty. But you always get it. A web archive does not do that. Say I wanted to save 100 Knowledge Base articles. As a web archive I get 100 "things" saved. But as a html I get 200 "things" saved. That's 100 too many in my opinion.

But I have given you just one example. I'd be surprised if that was the ONLY one.

 

[XS11E]

When you save as a html then what you get is a extra folder called
saved_files. This folder may in fact be empty. But you always
get it. A web archive does not do that. Say I wanted to save 100
Knowledge Base articles. As a web archive I get 100 "things"
saved. But as a html I get 200 "things" saved. That's 100 too
many in my opinion.

100 empty folders takes no space. Wanna bet either way takes the same
amount of space on the HD? You're splitting hairs, there's no change
in IE functionality by removing OE, merely an increase in security and,
by using another email client and another newsreader, a HUGE increase
in email and newsgroup functionality.

But I have given you just one example. I'd be surprised if that
was the ONLY one.

I'd be VERY surprised if it wasn't. OE isn't part of IE, it's entirely
an afterthought and not a very good one.

 

[Gary Smith]

100 empty folders takes no space. Wanna bet either way takes the same
amount of space on the HD? You're splitting hairs, there's no change
in IE functionality by removing OE, merely an increase in security and,
by using another email client and another newsreader, a HUGE increase
in email and newsgroup functionality.

The primary difference is that saving a page as HTML (complete) causes all
images and other supporting files to be saved in a folder that is
connected to the saved page. If the saved page is named SavedPage.html,
the folder will be named SavedPage_files. These folders are rarely empty
(one I just created contains 43 files occupying a total of 77K), and
managing them can be a nuisance.

Saving a file as a web archive creates a single file with extension .mht
that can be opened as if it were an ordinary HTML file, but with all of
the components in a single, easily-managed piece.

 

[Colon Terminus]

You know what? 93% of the internet world doesn't give a shit about GNKSA.
Nor do they care about yEnc. Outlook Express is a superb newsreader and is
in use by an overwhelming majority of usenet users. Who cares if an elite
group of pricks killfile my posts 'cause they're made with OE? I sure don't.

You just go ahead and yEnc, yEnc, yEnc till you go blind and can't see the
hair on your palms. Meanwhile, I'll use the best, most convenient, and most
compatible newsreader extant.

 

[Alias]

"Colon Terminus" wrote

You know what? 93% of the internet world doesn't give a shit about GNKSA.
Nor do they care about yEnc. Outlook Express is a superb newsreader and is
in use by an overwhelming majority of usenet users. Who cares if an elite
group of pricks killfile my posts 'cause they're made with OE? I sure don't.

You just go ahead and yEnc, yEnc, yEnc till you go blind and can't see the
hair on your palms. Meanwhile, I'll use the best, most convenient, and most
compatible newsreader extant.

OE is the only free email program I know of that allows you to use multiple
signatures with all your accounts and doesn't separate your accounts into
different folders.

If I were into downloading and decoding binaries, I hear Xnews is good for
that but -- last I heard -- that's illegal.

Alias

 

[Rob Stow]

"Colon Terminus" wrote



OE is the only free email program I know of that allows you to use multiple
signatures with all your accounts and doesn't separate your accounts into
different folders.

If I were into downloading and decoding binaries, I hear Xnews is good for
that but -- last I heard -- that's illegal.

You heard wrong.

I have, for example, used newsgroups to distribute programs I
created to other users of those newsgroups. Nothing illegal
occurs: I own the copyright for said programs and by posting
it I am giving permission for world+dog to download a copy with
whatever their favourite newsreader happens to be.

A few musicians have done the same sort of thing with their
music - they own the copyright and they make it freely available
for downloading from a website or a newsgroup. A lot of small-time
bands do this with their demo material.

 

[George Hester]

I run into this all the time Colon. And I feel exactly as you do. I do what I can to make sure their killfiles work.

 

[George Hester]

I've done with XS11E. No matter what is said or what the truth of the matter is, "By Golly I'm right."