U.S. military div switching to Mac..............

[David H. Lipman]

From: "the wharf rat" <[email protected]>

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[maya]

Yeah I hear you but other than WMC, is the rest of Vista working properly?
Frank

generally yes, but another problem am having, which is terribly annoying
(not to speak of ergonomically-taxing), is that the mouse does not track
well at all, it's "wobbly", as if the mouse were sitting on eggs or
something.. guy at OEM said this was part of same problem.. (they said
other users report same problem, and apparently this problem was also
solved by re-installing Vista.. I'm willing to give this a try, but if I
have to do this ONE more time in the future I think I'm switching to a
mac.. )

thank you..

 

[maya]

Yeah, that can happen to most OSs. One of my least favorite issues in XP
was a system catalog store issue that would 80% of the time require the
system to be rebuilt.

Nobody likes that sort of thing.

I would love to understand how they arrived at that conclusion and what they
specifically feel is corrupt.



This isn't a support forum, though, per the Expectations of Service -
"Microsoft does not offer formal support for the communities you'll find
here."
http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html#netiquette

ok, point taken... I know there's a limit to how much help you can get
on these forums, but well, it would be nice if M$ had free tech-support,
wouldn't it now?? (esp for a such a terribly buggy product..)

btw, found two interesting posts in "vista sucks" blog:
http://vistasucks.wordpress.com/200...d-so-senior-vp-could-accept-amazons-millions/
http://vistasucks.wordpress.com/200...red-to-help-intel-sell-incompatible-chipsets/
(http://vistasucks.wordpress.com/)

I don't think anyone knows enough about your system to second-guess what
people who looked at your system directly told you.

I definitely don't know how they arrived at their conclusion of 'Vista has
gotten corrupted' and potentially would think that's just the lazy "let's
smash it all to bits" approach to problem-solving here, but again - nobody
here is an expert at digital tuner activation (that I'm aware of), so hoping
for support here is not going to work. You might want to turn to some other
channel, such as a a Windows Media Center-centric forum/site, for advice
that is relevant to your problem.

ok, will try vista.music_pictures_video.. see how I fare over there..
thank you Zach..

 

[Frank]

generally yes, but another problem am having, which is terribly annoying
(not to speak of ergonomically-taxing), is that the mouse does not track
well at all, it's "wobbly", as if the mouse were sitting on eggs or
something.. guy at OEM said this was part of same problem.. (they said
other users report same problem, and apparently this problem was also
solved by re-installing Vista.. I'm willing to give this a try, but if I
have to do this ONE more time in the future I think I'm switching to a
mac.. )

So you're OEM computer came pre-loaded with Vista and all of the other
OEM software correct? And you and most of the other customers of the
same OEM are all having the exact same problem correct?

Well, I don't want to jump to any irrational conclusions but I'd suspect
there is something the OEM is doing to cause all of their customers to
have the same exact problem and their only solution is a clean install.
Hummm...?
Frank

 

[Frank]

ok, point taken... I know there's a limit to how much help you can get
on these forums, but well, it would be nice if M$ had free tech-support,
wouldn't it now?? (esp for a such a terribly buggy product..)

You have a new, recently purchased OEM computer right?
If so then your main support is from the OEM. Not directly from MS.
These ng's are for peer-to-peer help. But again, if it's OEM it is they
who are responsible for helping you.

btw, found two interesting posts in "vista sucks" blog:
http://vistasucks.wordpress.com/200...d-so-senior-vp-could-accept-amazons-millions/

http://vistasucks.wordpress.com/200...red-to-help-intel-sell-incompatible-chipsets/

(http://vistasucks.wordpress.com/)

"vistasucks" is not a very good place (rather obvious I'd say) to get
any help. Try your OEM who took your good $'s. I'd lean on them till
they fixed your install.
Frank

 

[maya]

So you're OEM computer came pre-loaded with Vista and all of the other
OEM software correct? And you and most of the other customers of the
same OEM are all having the exact same problem correct?

Well, I don't want to jump to any irrational conclusions but I'd suspect
there is something the OEM is doing to cause all of their customers to
have the same exact problem and their only solution is a clean install.
Hummm...?
Frank

Frank, I never said "all of their customers.." this is your conclusion..
all I said is that OEM has had other customers run into same problems
with Vista and this was the solution.. (these guys probably also
exchange info about this w/other sources.. I mean since all OEMs are
stuck providing tech support for Vista, since M$ wont take
responsibility for their own product and provide tech support for it
themselves..)

dont know what you mean by "other OEM software" machine came installed
with Vista, that's it..

 

[maya]

You have a new, recently purchased OEM computer right?
If so then your main support is from the OEM. Not directly from MS.
These ng's are for peer-to-peer help. But again, if it's OEM it is they
who are responsible for helping you.

M$ SHOULD provide tech support for Vista themselves (it's THEIR product,
for god's sake..) esp since this is a terribly buggy product.. most
phone calls OEM gets are Vista-related.. is M$ paying them to provide
tech-support for their product? I doubt it..

 

[Frank]

Frank, I never said "all of their customers.." this is your conclusion..
all I said is that OEM has had other customers run into same problems
with Vista and this was the solution.. (these guys probably also
exchange info about this w/other sources.. I mean since all OEMs are
stuck providing tech support for Vista, since M$ wont take
responsibility for their own product and provide tech support for it
themselves..)

"Stuck"...I see you don't really have an understanding of how the OEM vs
Retail software market works do you as evidence by your statement..."I
mean since all OEMs are stuck providing tech support for Vista, since M$
wont take responsibility for their own product and provide tech support
for it themselves..)
You maybe should have built your own computer and then purchased a
retail copy of Vista.
Also using "M$" is a slur sig against MS. I'm beginning to get the very
clear notion that your don't like MS or Vista and never will and that
you should move to either a MAC or linux OS.
Frank

 

[maya]

"Stuck"...I see you don't really have an understanding of how the OEM vs
Retail software market works do you as evidence by your statement..."I
mean since all OEMs are stuck providing tech support for Vista, since M$
wont take responsibility for their own product and provide tech support
for it themselves..)
You maybe should have built your own computer and then purchased a
retail copy of Vista.
Also using "M$" is a slur sig against MS. I'm beginning to get the very
clear notion that your don't like MS or Vista and never will and that
you should move to either a MAC or linux OS.
Frank

Frank, I know you wont believe this, but I was never much of
Microsoft-basher until now.. yes I know how the OEM thing "works", but
sorry, I still think it's unfair to OEMs.. esp my OEM, they are a small
co., their machines are manufactured and assembled entirely in the U.S.,
their tech-support is entirely US-based, they don't outsource anything,
they have the best customer/tech support of anybody I have ever dealt
with... and well, I know what you're saying, but sorry, I still think
Microsoft is getting away with murder here..

but that's just my personal opinion.. nothing else... thanks for
responding to my posts...

 

[Frank]

M$ SHOULD provide tech support for Vista themselves (it's THEIR product,
for god's sake..)

They do if you have a retail copy of Vista.

esp since this is a terribly buggy product..

That is simply not true.

most

phone calls OEM gets are Vista-related..

If that is the OS they are pre-installing then of course the calls would
be about Vista.

is M$ paying them to provide

tech-support for their product?

In a sense yes!

I doubt it..

OEM's get a deep discount on the OS they chose to pre-install on the
computers they sell. OEM's can modify the OS to a certain extend
(add/remove some features) and load software they are being paid to load
by other companies.
Becoming an OEM and getting deep discounts carries the contractual
obligation of providing tech support for not only the OS they load but
also all of the other software they load.
Obviously there are a few bad OEM's whose tech support is simply horrible.
Sounds like you unfortunately ran into one of those.
Sorry!
Frank

 

[maya]

They do if you have a retail copy of Vista.

esp since this is a terribly buggy product..

That is simply not true.

most

If that is the OS they are pre-installing then of course the calls would
be about Vista.

is M$ paying them to provide

In a sense yes!

I doubt it..

OEM's get a deep discount on the OS they chose to pre-install on the
computers they sell. OEM's can modify the OS to a certain extend
(add/remove some features) and load software they are being paid to load
by other companies.
Becoming an OEM and getting deep discounts carries the contractual
obligation of providing tech support for not only the OS they load but
also all of the other software they load.
Obviously there are a few bad OEM's whose tech support is simply horrible.
Sounds like you unfortunately ran into one of those.

I did NOT run into one of those.. you dont believe me, b/c you don't
want to believe the prob is with Vista.. they have great tech support,
they are very helpful, I know some of guys there by name by now.. you
just dont agree with solution they are providing, is all... (it can't
be their fault if Vista is such a lousy OS it gets corrupted, can it??)

oh well, I dont want to get into another "shouting match" .. let's just
agree to disagree, ok????

 

[NoStop]

Frank wrote:

So you're OEM computer came pre-loaded with Vista and all of the other
OEM software correct? And you and most of the other customers of the
same OEM are all having the exact same problem correct?

Well, I don't want to jump to any irrational conclusions but I'd suspect
there is something the OEM is doing to cause all of their customers to
have the same exact problem and their only solution is a clean install.
Hummm...?
Frank

Now this has got to be the MOST hilarious post I've seen in a long time on
Usenet. Frank, THE Usenet Village Idiot doesn't "want to jump to any
irrational conclusions". Now that is FUNNY!!!! What a dimwit coming from a
guy who's the most irrational person I've ever had the fun to meet.

Cheers.

--
Vista will make you speechless!
http://tinyurl.com/38zv7x

Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

Q: What OS is built for lusers?
A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?

Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

 

[maya]

They do if you have a retail copy of Vista.

esp since this is a terribly buggy product..

That is simply not true.

most

If that is the OS they are pre-installing then of course the calls would
be about Vista.

is M$ paying them to provide

In a sense yes!

I doubt it..

OEM's get a deep discount on the OS they chose to pre-install on the
computers they sell. OEM's can modify the OS to a certain extend
(add/remove some features) and load software they are being paid to load
by other companies.
Becoming an OEM and getting deep discounts carries the contractual
obligation of providing tech support for not only the OS they load but
also all of the other software they load.
Obviously there are a few bad OEM's whose tech support is simply horrible.
Sounds like you unfortunately ran into one of those.
Sorry!
Frank

and Frank, since you're saying they are providing wrong solution, what
IS the solution in your view?????????

 

[Frank]

I did NOT run into one of those.. you dont believe me, b/c you don't
want to believe the prob is with Vista..

Based on what you've posted...that they are telling you Vista is
corrupted...yet you say other than activating WMC...all is ok...I'd say
you did run into "one of those".

they have great tech support,

they are very helpful, I know some of guys there by name by now.. you
just dont agree with solution they are providing, is all...

It's you who is not agreeing with the solution they are proposing. I
just think they created the problem and are making you do the solution.

(it can't

be their fault if Vista is such a lousy OS it gets corrupted, can it??)

Ok, so you hate Vista. Fine...then dump it for something else.

 

[Frank]

Frank, I know you wont believe this, but I was never much of
Microsoft-basher until now..

So your Vista bashing is based on the fact that you can't get an OEM WMC
to activate, right?

yes I know how the OEM thing "works", but

sorry, I still think it's unfair to OEMs..

Uhhh...no one forced them to sign up to become an OEM did they? I fail
to see the unfairness of the deal. OEM's make a lot of money doing what
they do.

esp my OEM, they are a small

co., their machines are manufactured and assembled entirely in the U.S.,

Really? I've can't remember when I last saw a mobo, vc or any other
hardware that was made in America.

their tech-support is entirely US-based, they don't outsource anything,
they have the best customer/tech support of anybody I have ever dealt
with...

If you say so. But why can't they fix your computer?

and well, I know what you're saying, but sorry, I still think

Microsoft is getting away with murder here..

I see you don't understand the OEM deal at all.

but that's just my personal opinion.. nothing else... thanks for
responding to my posts...

Good luck!
Frank

 

[maya]

So your Vista bashing is based on the fact that you can't get an OEM WMC
to activate, right?

My problem is with an OS that gets "corrupted" and that you have
re-install.. I think this is a huge pain and it shows it's a very
poorly-developed product (most probably not enough/proper testing before
they brought it to market.. I'm a web developer, if I worked like that,
w/o properly testing websites before I publish them, I would be out of a
job...

yes I know how the OEM thing "works", but

Uhhh...no one forced them to sign up to become an OEM did they? I fail
to see the unfairness of the deal. OEM's make a lot of money doing what
they do.

esp my OEM, they are a small

Really? I've can't remember when I last saw a mobo, vc or any other
hardware that was made in America.

If you say so. But why can't they fix your computer?

Frank, for the Nth time -- the problem is not with the computer, it's
with the OS.... and once again: you say the solution they are giving me
(to re-install Vista) is wrong.. so do YOU have a solution for me??????

Good luck!

thanks..

 

[Frank]

and Frank, since you're saying they are providing wrong solution, what
IS the solution in your view?????????

What is the error you getting from the event log?
Frank

 

[Frank]

Frank wrote:




Now this has got to be the MOST hilarious post I've seen in a long time on
Usenet. Frank, THE Usenet Village Idiot doesn't "want to jump to any
irrational conclusions". Now that is FUNNY!!!! What a dimwit coming from a
guy who's the most irrational person I've ever had the fun to meet.

Cheers.

Hey nostop...your butt-buddy alias needs his ass kissed.
Better hurry...LOL!
Frank

 

[maya]

What is the error you getting from the event log?
Frank

Frank, what happens is when I'm typing in the product key, in about the
middle of typing it, the field gets grayed out and I cant continue
typing.. error log? there's an error log for this?? cool.. I don't
know where to find it though.. man, I deal with error logs in
webservers, didn't know there are error logs for Vista.. can you tell
me where to find it pls.. (but am not home now, will have to look at it
tonight..)

thank you...

 

[Frank]

Frank, what happens is when I'm typing in the product key, in about the
middle of typing it, the field gets grayed out and I cant continue
typing.. error log? there's an error log for this?? cool.. I don't
know where to find it though.. man, I deal with error logs in
webservers, didn't know there are error logs for Vista.. can you tell
me where to find it pls.. (but am not home now, will have to look at it
tonight..)

thank you...

Administrative Tools/Event Viewer/Windows Logs/Application, etc. It's
all there. Suggest you clear all logs, then try activation then view
logs for new event(s).
Frank