Treepad

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Martin Cleaver

Looking for an update, I suddenly noticed that Tucows dows not
mention a word about Treepad (Nonags 6 stars with freeware and
shareware versions).
I asked, but did not get any satisfactory answer as to why
Tucows has chosen to blacklist/ignore this excellent program.
ANy suggestions?
Rgds
Martin
 
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MightyKitten

I like it too. Infact it is (INSMHO) second best. In my internal ranking
system, they score almost the same, and the only reason I can come up with
why treedbnotes is first,
simply the first impression of the examples.

I did not find a way to create tables in KeyNote until now: it relies on Ole
objects to do this. It hinkt taht is both a blessing and a curse (you can
have many types of object, but you need to have a program installed that can
edit it)

Never the less, I think both are nice packages, and I'm still not sure about
my favorite, but for the moment is is treeDBnotes. But then, I still have a
whole lot to discover about them.

MightyKitten
 
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Bob Adkins

I like it too. Infact it is (INSMHO) second best. In my internal ranking
system, they score almost the same, and the only reason I can come up with
why treedbnotes is first,
simply the first impression of the examples.

I did not find a way to create tables in KeyNote until now: it relies on Ole
objects to do this. It hinkt taht is both a blessing and a curse (you can
have many types of object, but you need to have a program installed that can
edit it)

Never the less, I think both are nice packages, and I'm still not sure about
my favorite, but for the moment is is treeDBnotes. But then, I still have a
whole lot to discover about them.

I'm the same way. Sometimes it's hard to decide between 2 programs that are
both good, but in different ways. I change favorites like I change socks
on certain programs. It's not being indecisive, it's learning.

Bob

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Bjorn Simonsen

Bob Adkins wrote in said:
I'm the same way. Sometimes it's hard to decide between 2 programs that are
both good, but in different ways. I change favorites like I change socks
on certain programs. It's not being indecisive, it's learning.

Same way here, although I do not have any programs that wears socks.

One feature I like very much in KeyNote is the ability to link
file:/// (and other urls). Say like for keeping long note in a
text file (any file), short note/keywords in KeyNote with link to
file. Handy.

All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen
 
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Bob Adkins

Same way here, although I do not have any programs that wears socks.

Bah! said:
One feature I like very much in KeyNote is the ability to link
file:/// (and other urls). Say like for keeping long note in a
text file (any file), short note/keywords in KeyNote with link to
file. Handy.

Ever try NoteBark? Simple like TreePad, has a few nice features.

http://bark.hypermart.net/

Bob

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Bjorn Simonsen

Found a couple that really socks though.
Ever try NoteBark? Simple like TreePad, has a few nice features.
http://bark.hypermart.net/

No haven't, thanks - added to list! I have also yet to try the one
suggested by MK, Treedbnotes. Downloaded it some time ago...but
haven't gotten around to it yet...time flies...

All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen
 
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Roger Schlafly

MightyKitten said:
Personally i'd prefer treedbnotes free (at
http://www.softviewer.com/treedbnotes/) over the treepad free version, but
it is a matter of taste, I think.

Not me. One nice thing about TreePad is that the file is stored in a
simple ascii format. If something were to go wrong, you'd have no
trouble pulling your data out with something else.
 
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Bjorn Simonsen

The versions that I've installed are 1.17(b) and 1.18(b). What I can't say
is what the right download filename(s) would be.

The above search returned version 1.16(b)(first link hits, but all had
same size it seemed - so I assumed same version in all)...haven't
looked further now. If anyone finds 1.17 or 1.18 - post a link.

All the best,
Bjorn Simonsne
 
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mike ring

Not me. One nice thing about TreePad is that the file is stored in a
simple ascii format. If something were to go wrong, you'd have no
trouble pulling your data out with something else.
Me neither.

The *really* nice thing about treepad is it does what's needed; ie store
info in a searchable form, and *nothing* else, and the exe (314kB) and a
whole load of data fit on a floppy.

Beats the competition out of sight

mike r
 
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omega

[Re Notebark Lite, whose homepage is gone]

Bjorn Simonsen said:
If anyone finds 1.17 or 1.18 - post a link.

Some filenames from this into Google:

cache:http://bark.hypermart.net/nb_download.htm

I didn't search for where nblite117.exe would be found (this one I found
worthwhile to keep, alongside v1.18, for its being more lightweight); nor
for the XML convertors. But direct from that Google cache page there is
a link to ver 1.18, at beta
http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail.php3?fid=983781198
 
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omega

Martin Cleaver said:
The question then remains - why does Tucows ignore it?

1. Has it ever been listed on Tucows?

As I understand, anything that is there has been submitted by the
developer.

If I'm mistaken about that, please correct. As I consider it an important
matter, if true. For it renders Tucows something of an inferior place
compared to others sites, for finding freeware. A good site will track
down freeware to list, IMO, and not rely only on author submissions.
Consider that many freeware authors have no financial motivation/ gain
for that hassle of setting up an account, and filling out submissions
to Tucows.

So, as to Treepad. The author might have felt no motivation to bother
with Tucows, being listed amply already on Freeware sites.


2. Was it once listed on Tucows, and is now removed?

Perhaps because it did not receive a high enough rating score?

I have read the Tucows rating system. A huge portion of points are
added|subtracted based on various aspects of installer behavior;
and related - such as web page documents, author support, heavy reqs
about English, etc. Their values in this are opposite my own.

Treepad might meet their scoring system well enough. I think, maybe.
Still what I can also say is that many of my favorite programs would
get a low score from them. Especially given Tucows heavy emphasis that
a downloaded program must be no-brainer enough for your dog Fido to
launch with a flick of his tail.


Misc perspective about Tucows. Try a search into groups.google.com for posts
in alt.comp.shareware.authors. With maybe the word freeware. Or maybe the
phrase ratings guide. Sometimes the maintainers of Tucows end sounding
really clueless... (In one thread, someone observed that the author seemed
to have been forced into a dialog with the Tucows janitor).

Tucows was the major download site in the mid-90s. Today, for *freeware*,
I consider it trivial in the field. There are far better places. Snapfiles,
Majorgeeks, Pricelessware, etc.

Tucows might be a good place to shop for shareware? I've not approached it
with that need, so don't have an opinion there.

JMO. Fans of Tucows of course are welcome to dispute. Although I want to
note in advance that I don't expect to much follow up. This since I'd not
be qualified to discuss the Tucows experience in any depth, having got to
where I rarely bother to visit them any more.
 
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omega

I have read the Tucows rating system. A huge portion of points are
added|subtracted based on various aspects of installer behavior;

The Tucows rating system is one area. And sorry for the lack of URL. I am
not aware of a public one. The only way I know to have the rating system
document is to create an author account with them, log in, then read it.

I also wanted to mention another item, aside from the scoring system. What
makes a submitted program get refused, categorically. None of the criteria
applies to Treepad, as far as I can see. I suspect Treepad was simply not
submitted by its author. Still, it is criteria I found useful to read - as
a visitor of Tucows listings.

(I'm skipping listing the type of refusals that most all of us would agree
with, such as spam software, credit card for trialware, etc.)

Types of submissions that won't be accepted:

- "Command-line driven--we will accept programs with command-line driven
extraction or installation, but the process must be automated; the user
must not encounter a command line."
; comment. I do enjoy that last line. <g>

- "Scripts"

- "Programs that don't offer stand-alone executables--this has nothing to
do with self-extracting archives; it deals directly with running your
application."

; comment. There was talk about the meaning of the item above on
; alt.comp.shareware.authors. As I read the discussin, it had to do with
; Tucows wanting a setup.exe type file. And refusing a .cab or .zip that
; requires manual installation -- ie the user copying files to their
; desired location.

Top reasons why applications get rejected:

- "Non-stand-alone executable files: your program needs to have a trigger
to run"
; comment. I cannot begin to decipher what they mean above.

- "A language other than English within the installation process, the
application or the developer's Web site"
; comment. gun>foot>shoot

Listed Applications getting removed:

"All non-subscribing authors who have a listing with a User Popularity
score of less than 50 will receive a letter ... "

On this last, I forgot to save the rest of the quote. But here is the
meaning. Non-subscribing authors are those who do not pay Tucows a monthly
fee for the listings. The letter tells them to pay Tucows, in order to stay
listed. As to User Popularity Score, I don't know much about it (but my
first guess is that it's to do with number of downloads). Just, related
is that paying Tucows a premium rate enhances your presence on the
software's presence on the site, with some affect towards increasing that
popularity score.

Btw, also related to money. It costs something like $500 for the developer
to get Tucows to do a review. I saw nothing at all about exceptions made
for freeware. So it leaves me wondering the situation on that. Frankly,
if a freeware author paid $500 for a review, I'd become suspicious about
the nature of their product / motivations.
 
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Bjorn Simonsen

omega wrote in said:
a link to ver 1.18, at betahttp://fileforum.betanews.com/detail.php3?fid=983781198

Thanks, got it. First impression ... does not look very "impressive" -
say compared to Keynote/TreePad Lite, but maybe it has some nice
features I have yet to discover (just had a quick look after
installing it now :)

All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen
 

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