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Dan
Sweet, thanks.
Patrick Schmid said:
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Kerry Brown
Many people have explained in thread where you went wrong. Download and
install IE7 again.
install IE7 again.
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Pat Willener
I am seriously not interested in anyone's Internet Explorer problems, so
I fail to see your reason for crossposting this to the Outlook newsgroup
I fail to see your reason for crossposting this to the Outlook newsgroup
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Guest
I do not understand your statements:
"That was an update that is related to
IE7, but not the setup program for IE7 (that is a different window and
has a Restart button as well after it's done). When you clicked Restart
Now and then proceeded to kill tasks, you effectively killed the IE7
setup program."
Mark told you this:
"I was asked to restart my computer and
naturally I couldn't ignor that request, becuase it kept coming back and
bugging me. So I said yes, and nothing happened."
The uninstall routine from the beta had completed and asked him to restart.
His computer did not/could not do so, so he was forced to try and make it do
so manually. I'm a computer professional and would have done the same.
Apparantly a reboot was needed, so what would you have done? Also, any open
tasks that are running will get killed anyway when the system is rebooted
either through a routine, or manually like Mark did. It is setup in the boot
routine to begin again upon the reload of Windows. Your statement that Mark
did someting wrong here does not ring true.
Now, he is/was confused about what took place here as I.E. 6 was back on his
computer the way it was supposed to be at the time. At the very least, had
Mark done something funky to the I.E. 7 setup routine, Auto Update would have
seen that I.E. 7 was not installed and been ready to be installed again.
Something did not complete here for Mark at no fault of his own. He was asked
to reboot, so he did.
Folks, there are people having trouble with I.E. 7 pre, and/or post install.
I have had no major issues either way, but I did not use Auto Update either.
There are most certainly bugs in I.E. 7 that need to be worked out, major or
not, and like it or not. Now, I am a BIG Microsft fan, but some of you are
ignoring the facts and being down-right rude to Mark. The comments made by
Pegasus were especially rude and uncalled for. Sometimes comments about a
product can, and should give you a clue to check it out. There does not have
to be a question when you can clearly see that something is wrong.
We are all the life behind Microsoft. Without our money to buy the things
that are not free, none of you employees would have jobs. I.E. 7 is free, but
it is not perfect. We are here to report the problems that some are having
with it. If you don't like it I can let Microsft know that you don't
appreciate its customers.
"That was an update that is related to
IE7, but not the setup program for IE7 (that is a different window and
has a Restart button as well after it's done). When you clicked Restart
Now and then proceeded to kill tasks, you effectively killed the IE7
setup program."
Mark told you this:
"I was asked to restart my computer and
naturally I couldn't ignor that request, becuase it kept coming back and
bugging me. So I said yes, and nothing happened."
The uninstall routine from the beta had completed and asked him to restart.
His computer did not/could not do so, so he was forced to try and make it do
so manually. I'm a computer professional and would have done the same.
Apparantly a reboot was needed, so what would you have done? Also, any open
tasks that are running will get killed anyway when the system is rebooted
either through a routine, or manually like Mark did. It is setup in the boot
routine to begin again upon the reload of Windows. Your statement that Mark
did someting wrong here does not ring true.
Now, he is/was confused about what took place here as I.E. 6 was back on his
computer the way it was supposed to be at the time. At the very least, had
Mark done something funky to the I.E. 7 setup routine, Auto Update would have
seen that I.E. 7 was not installed and been ready to be installed again.
Something did not complete here for Mark at no fault of his own. He was asked
to reboot, so he did.
Folks, there are people having trouble with I.E. 7 pre, and/or post install.
I have had no major issues either way, but I did not use Auto Update either.
There are most certainly bugs in I.E. 7 that need to be worked out, major or
not, and like it or not. Now, I am a BIG Microsft fan, but some of you are
ignoring the facts and being down-right rude to Mark. The comments made by
Pegasus were especially rude and uncalled for. Sometimes comments about a
product can, and should give you a clue to check it out. There does not have
to be a question when you can clearly see that something is wrong.
We are all the life behind Microsoft. Without our money to buy the things
that are not free, none of you employees would have jobs. I.E. 7 is free, but
it is not perfect. We are here to report the problems that some are having
with it. If you don't like it I can let Microsft know that you don't
appreciate its customers.
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Edwin vMierlo
thanks for sharing, but I doubt if this is useful info for anyone
not really, but I guess he is probably glad that you compare him as a
God.... did you forward this to him ?
, but
is that why you are using MS yourself.... and for how long are you using
Microsoft products ... if I may ask ?
yep, read it again....
1) "I got a notice that an update was ready"
2) "I didn't know why I received it"
3) "my system was set to receive Automatic updates" --> BINGO !
First what is
Please see : http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306525
Someone out to knock Bill Gates on
Really?, first read up on the particular function feature before you give
out (please)
But that isn't the problem, just a
without reading it ? just click on "OK" on all boxes ever presented to you ?
--> good going ! really !
The next thing I saw was that
1 month ago V7 was beta, so you did not install V7, you installed V7-beta
Then it said it was uninstalling a previous version and I thought, Uh
next time posting you might want to give us some details on "a bunch of
programs" ?
just so genuine people on these newgroups might try to actually help
you.....
After I restated, I
OK, that is the closest we come in this post to a problem statement, or at
least an attempt to.
Yes please, do say more.... the world is waiting for posts like this
I can't, becuase there is no description
that will solve all problems, including cancer and world hunger....
Mark A. Sam said:
not really, but I guess he is probably glad that you compare him as a
God.... did you forward this to him ?
, but
is that why you are using MS yourself.... and for how long are you using
Microsoft products ... if I may ask ?
yep, read it again....
1) "I got a notice that an update was ready"
2) "I didn't know why I received it"
3) "my system was set to receive Automatic updates" --> BINGO !
First what is
Please see : http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306525
Someone out to knock Bill Gates on
Really?, first read up on the particular function feature before you give
out (please)
But that isn't the problem, just a
without reading it ? just click on "OK" on all boxes ever presented to you ?
--> good going ! really !
The next thing I saw was that
1 month ago V7 was beta, so you did not install V7, you installed V7-beta
Then it said it was uninstalling a previous version and I thought, Uh
next time posting you might want to give us some details on "a bunch of
programs" ?
just so genuine people on these newgroups might try to actually help
you.....
After I restated, I
OK, that is the closest we come in this post to a problem statement, or at
least an attempt to.
Yes please, do say more.... the world is waiting for posts like this
I can't, becuase there is no description
that will solve all problems, including cancer and world hunger....
B
Brendan Reynolds
When someone starts a post with 'I know some of you worship Bill Gates as
your God' and cross-posts to five newsgroups, three of which have absolutely
no relation to the problem at hand at all, they diminish their chances of
getting helpful responses. Under the circumstances I think most of those who
responded showed patience and tolerance. Personally, I would not give the
time of day to anyone ill-mannered enough to speculate about who or what I
might 'worship'.
your God' and cross-posts to five newsgroups, three of which have absolutely
no relation to the problem at hand at all, they diminish their chances of
getting helpful responses. Under the circumstances I think most of those who
responded showed patience and tolerance. Personally, I would not give the
time of day to anyone ill-mannered enough to speculate about who or what I
might 'worship'.
M
Mark A. Sam
There was nothing wrong with IE7. That isn't the issue. The issue is the
update. It misrepresented what would happen. It stated that it was an
"update" for Internet Explorer 7, not a replacement.
update. It misrepresented what would happen. It stated that it was an
"update" for Internet Explorer 7, not a replacement.
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progressive realization
My question to you is: Are one you of the MVP clones with preformatted
brains?...
From YOUR question asking for a question, the conclusion to my question is:
affirmative.
brains?...
From YOUR question asking for a question, the conclusion to my question is:
affirmative.
M
Mark A. Sam
I'm sorry for this post. I didn't want to offend, annoy or anger any of you.
I just get tired of constantly fighting with software, and this just pushed
me over the edge. Little quirks take too much of my time, and there are
many of them.
I just get tired of constantly fighting with software, and this just pushed
me over the edge. Little quirks take too much of my time, and there are
many of them.
A
Arvin Meyer [MVP]
Mark,
I know you've been posting in these groups for years. By now you certainly
know not to post across and to newsgroups that bear no relation to the
topic. I only see one newsgroup that bears any semblance to your subject.
--
Arvin Meyer, MCP, MVP
Free MS-Access downloads:
http://www.datastrat.com
http://www.mvps.org/access
http://www.accessmvp.com
I know you've been posting in these groups for years. By now you certainly
know not to post across and to newsgroups that bear no relation to the
topic. I only see one newsgroup that bears any semblance to your subject.
--
Arvin Meyer, MCP, MVP
Free MS-Access downloads:
http://www.datastrat.com
http://www.mvps.org/access
http://www.accessmvp.com
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RHinNC
No problem. Big of you to make this post.
At least you took your frustration out on the keyboard instead of taking a
baseball bat and smashing your PC......
At least you took your frustration out on the keyboard instead of taking a
baseball bat and smashing your PC......
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Edwin vMierlo
Apology accepted
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Spikey
none of you employees would have jobs. I.E. 7 is free, but
Are you labouring under the misconception that this group is staffed by MS
employees???
This is a public group valiantly assisted by knowledgeable MS users who
give their time and advice free - usually very good advice. freely.
Are you labouring under the misconception that this group is staffed by MS
employees???
This is a public group valiantly assisted by knowledgeable MS users who
give their time and advice free - usually very good advice. freely.
J
J. Ryan
I'm sure you are not suggesting that the MVP program doesn't produce those
that are beholding and loyal to Microsoft.
Maybe a little insight into the groupie mentality would shed some light.
that are beholding and loyal to Microsoft.
Maybe a little insight into the groupie mentality would shed some light.
R
Richard Urban
MVP's are still not employees.
--
Regards,
Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)
Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
--
Regards,
Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)
Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
A
antioch
J. Ryan said:
And which MVPs would you consider to fall into this 'groupie mentality' and
be beholding and loyal to MS.
Shed some light then - if you can???
Antioch
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antioch
Hello MarkMark A. Sam said:
It is always nice to see a poster apologise to the world when they think
they have gone a bit too far. Whether I think that is neither here nor
there. Apart from the 'ranting' side of the thread, there was little I
could see that would offend.
I am sure that 'Horace' was thinking of you and others, when he wrote:-
'Anger is a short madness'.
I have read through this thread of yours, though some may think I might have
had better things to do, and I would like to thank you for putting to the
fore what lots of other software users probably feel, rightly or wrongly,
into words.
However, crossposting did seem excessive - just the IE7 group would have
been fine, and I have learned a couple of things.
I have been able to add a couple of 'trolls' to my kill file'
I have seen that my knowledge of downloading is better than others.
I have also seen the dangers of using ones fingers before engaging brains.
I have discovered that there IS something worse one can do to one's computer
that is more dangerous than just downloading betaware. And that is
downloading betaware and not knowing one has done it!
Rgds
Antioch
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Leythos
And if the update had been working with a properly functioning IE7, then
you would not have had a problem - so it was related to the BETA version
you had already installed.
C
Charlie Tame
Absolute Nonsense of course.
The MVP award is given AFTER people have helped, not before, thus it is a
"Thank you" from Microsoft not an incentive.
Most MVPs have in the past been critical of Microsoft but have voiced that
criticism in a constructive manner and have then sought to help users who
have experienced the same problems. I certainly raised many criticisms of OE
in the early days, things like insecure defaults, an inability to choose
plain text etc, and all of these things have been addressed. There are other
annoying things that have not been addressed and almost certainly will not
be addressed, but that's probably because I find them annoying and others
don't.
You are mistaking experience and skill for "Groupie Mentality" by far the
vast majority of the MVP's are here because they enjoy helping others with
their problems and not because of some misguided "Loyalty" to Microsoft.
Sure, we respond to criticism that is stupid or grossly unfair, but you know
as well as I do that many users of MS products are not technical people,
whereas by contrast most users of systems like Solaris and Linus ARE
technical people, so we seek to help those who most need a "friendly" person
to talk it over with.
It would seem that you do have enough knowledge to help others on technical
matters - if only from your own experience of problem solving, so why not
give that a try?
Charlie
The MVP award is given AFTER people have helped, not before, thus it is a
"Thank you" from Microsoft not an incentive.
Most MVPs have in the past been critical of Microsoft but have voiced that
criticism in a constructive manner and have then sought to help users who
have experienced the same problems. I certainly raised many criticisms of OE
in the early days, things like insecure defaults, an inability to choose
plain text etc, and all of these things have been addressed. There are other
annoying things that have not been addressed and almost certainly will not
be addressed, but that's probably because I find them annoying and others
don't.
You are mistaking experience and skill for "Groupie Mentality" by far the
vast majority of the MVP's are here because they enjoy helping others with
their problems and not because of some misguided "Loyalty" to Microsoft.
Sure, we respond to criticism that is stupid or grossly unfair, but you know
as well as I do that many users of MS products are not technical people,
whereas by contrast most users of systems like Solaris and Linus ARE
technical people, so we seek to help those who most need a "friendly" person
to talk it over with.
It would seem that you do have enough knowledge to help others on technical
matters - if only from your own experience of problem solving, so why not
give that a try?
Charlie