thinking of buying the x800 xl

[nyknyk]

My 9800 pro is starting to get a bit hot (green artifact land) so i'm
looking at the x800 xl with much interest.
Does anyone know if the .11 micron core has any overheat issues?
My 450 watt power supply is kinda dodgy on the 3.3v rail, which is
prolly why my 9800 pro is cooking, will this be a problem?

 

[DDC]

Are the green artifacts the only reason you are considering a replacement
card? Either the video card fan is dying, or the heat sink is not properly
seated. Both can be remedied by a $30 replacement cooler.


Here's an article with power measurements of ATi cards:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/ati-powercons.html

The X800XL can be assumed to have similar power draw as the X800Pro, which
consumes as much juice as the 9800 Pro (47-48 W). However, the X800 Pro is
easier on the AGP slot's 3.3 V supply, drawing most of its power from the 5
V and 12 V lines on the Molex connector.

Can you find an X800XL AGP at reasonable prices nowadays? Keep in mind the
7800GS is much faster.

yep but it cost something to get a faster card here it around 50$
"more' canadian.

But you could consider a x1600xt witch run as fast as a x800xl. and
cost less.

 

[First of One]

My 9800 pro is starting to get a bit hot (green artifact land) so i'm
looking at the x800 xl with much interest.

Are the green artifacts the only reason you are considering a replacement
card? Either the video card fan is dying, or the heat sink is not properly
seated. Both can be remedied by a $30 replacement cooler.

Does anyone know if the .11 micron core has any overheat issues?
My 450 watt power supply is kinda dodgy on the 3.3v rail, which is
prolly why my 9800 pro is cooking, will this be a problem?

Here's an article with power measurements of ATi cards:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/ati-powercons.html

The X800XL can be assumed to have similar power draw as the X800Pro, which
consumes as much juice as the 9800 Pro (47-48 W). However, the X800 Pro is
easier on the AGP slot's 3.3 V supply, drawing most of its power from the 5
V and 12 V lines on the Molex connector.

Can you find an X800XL AGP at reasonable prices nowadays? Keep in mind the
7800GS is much faster.

 

[DDC]

It costs less because it's slower. There is no way an x1600xt as an
x800xl.. close maybe but not as fast. The x1600 runs faster and has
faster ram.... but it's slower in reality because it's only 128-bit
ram and the GPU is only 12 pixel pipes... the x800xl has 16 parallel
pipes and 256-bit ram... it would have to be alot cheaper to be worth
it in the long run....

It depend on how well the card use the memonry bandwidth.
Also the gpu of the x1600xt is really faster than a x800xl one in
therm of mhz.

the x800xl as 400mh of power in the gpu and 980mhz for the ram
as the x1600xt is 600mhz for the gpu and 1400mhz for the memory.

Also the x1600xt as the pixel shader 3 witch is a big improuvement on
the quality of the image. in exemple shadows on water are more
realistic vs the x800xl. Theses two cards are equivalant and this is
why the x1600xt run as fast as each other.

Plus i think that gigabyte does a single card with multi-gpu. but here
it would cost a lot more.

once i had a x700pro with was 128bit gddr3 and 256mb.

Now i'm on a x800 128mb 256bits and yes it is faster but in some game
it wouldn't stand a chance againts my previous 256mb card. SO it
happend that the x1600xt has 256mb of gddr2/3, then to me it's big
plus.

 

[Kent_Diego]

My 9800 pro is starting to get a bit hot (green artifact land) ...

RMA the card back to ATI. They will send you a new one. If not you could
slow the memory clock with ATITool to fix.

-Kent

 

[MB]

yep but it cost something to get a faster card here it around 50$
"more' canadian.

But you could consider a x1600xt witch run as fast as a x800xl. and
cost less.

It costs less because it's slower. There is no way an x1600xt as an
x800xl.. close maybe but not as fast. The x1600 runs faster and has
faster ram.... but it's slower in reality because it's only 128-bit
ram and the GPU is only 12 pixel pipes... the x800xl has 16 parallel
pipes and 256-bit ram... it would have to be alot cheaper to be worth
it in the long run....

 

[Geoff]

My 9800 pro is starting to get a bit hot (green artifact land) so i'm
looking at the x800 xl with much interest.
Does anyone know if the .11 micron core has any overheat issues?
My 450 watt power supply is kinda dodgy on the 3.3v rail, which is
prolly why my 9800 pro is cooking, will this be a problem?

just get a cooler for it then
the ones that come with em are crap anyway
or even, just give the cooler a dust down ?

 

[Half_Light]

The X800XL can be assumed to have similar power draw as the X800Pro, which
consumes as much juice as the 9800 Pro (47-48 W). However, the X800 Pro is
easier on the AGP slot's 3.3 V supply, drawing most of its power from the 5
V and 12 V lines on the Molex connector.

My X800XL AGP has the molex connector but I see now that they have
changed the design and they draw all their power from the AGP 3.3v
slot. Why did they change it? Even the 9800pro I had used a molex
connector.

I don't think the X800XL is worth getting if you already have a
9800pro. That's what I upgraded to and IMO it wasn't that much of an
upgrade. I would save up for something like a Nvidia 7900 GT CO.

 

[MB]

My X800XL AGP has the molex connector but I see now that they have
changed the design and they draw all their power from the AGP 3.3v
slot. Why did they change it? Even the 9800pro I had used a molex
connector.

I don't think the X800XL is worth getting if you already have a
9800pro. That's what I upgraded to and IMO it wasn't that much of an
upgrade. I would save up for something like a Nvidia 7900 GT CO.

Should've been a pretty significant upgrade. The 800xl has twice the
pixel pipes at 16 vs. 8 and the memory is 50% faster at 1Ghz vs.
680Mhz. Memory bandwidth is a huge difference. If you didn't see much
of a difference I would assume that your card is either choked by the
CPU or that your software isn't overly demanding.

 

[nyknyk]

My 9800 pro is starting to get a bit hot (green artifact land) so i'm
looking at the x800 xl with much interest.
Does anyone know if the .11 micron core has any overheat issues?
My 450 watt power supply is kinda dodgy on the 3.3v rail, which is
prolly why my 9800 pro is cooking, will this be a problem?

Thanks for all the replies....
My card works ok with a desk fan blowing over it, so i don't really
need to replace it, i just use it as an excuse to myself.... heh.

From your posts i get the impression that i might need a better (read:

more stable) power supply for the 3.3volt rail. I've gone through 2
cheapies that stay stable at 3.23volts, so i think my card is
browning....

The XL looks good on paper (16 pipelines and 256k mem, screamer!), and
it looks like the gpu is juiced down so there's headroom for
clocking... I can pick em up in australia for around AU$300 so its a
bit of a bargain, as in bang for buck.

Really just trying to justify the fork out here....

 

[==--==]

Yeah, I was going to say something too....

I upgraded from 9800Pro to a x800xl - I saw a huge improvement.
FWIW

==--==

 

[Half_Light]

Should've been a pretty significant upgrade. The 800xl has twice the
pixel pipes at 16 vs. 8 and the memory is 50% faster at 1Ghz vs.
680Mhz. Memory bandwidth is a huge difference. If you didn't see much
of a difference I would assume that your card is either choked by the
CPU or that your software isn't overly demanding.

No, my CPU is AMD64 3500+. I just wasn't wowed by it. Sure it's faster
but my 9800pro was fast too. It's like upgrading your cpu from say
1.8ghz to 2.2ghz, there isn't a big difference.

 

[Half_Light]

Yeah, I was going to say something too....

I upgraded from 9800Pro to a x800xl - I saw a huge improvement.
FWIW

Guess I'm blind then.