[STATS] ACF past 7 days

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Ravi

SINNER wrote:
S> Top 20 responders by original text

How's that calculated? Percent of original text vs quoted
text in replies?
 
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SINNER

* Ravi Wrote in alt.comp.freeware, on Sun, 2 Nov 2003 01:11:36 +0000:
SINNER wrote:
S> Top 20 responders by original text
How's that calculated? Percent of original text vs quoted
text in replies?

Yes, I believe so (since I didnt write the script)

--
David | AGM Favorite Games - http://tinyurl.com/loec
I have a simple philosophy:

Fill what's empty.
Empty what's full.
Scratch where it itches.
-- A. R. Longworth
 
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Roger Johansson

Alan said:
So it's still in beta? When will a stable version appear, and most
importantly, will it be freeware?

We count on a much faster development now, in the age of
communications, computers, internet. More leisure time gives people
better chances to develop, production capacity allows people to
realax, so maybe in 20-30 years for the majority of people in the
world.

And yes, it will be freeware.
Money will be abolished, and work.
Everybody can do whatever they like to do.
Everything will be free.
 
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badgolferman

And yes, it will be freeware.
Money will be abolished, and work.
Everybody can do whatever they like to do.
Everything will be free.

Boy, that sounds like anarchy at best or day-dreaming at least.
 
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Sietse Fliege

Max said:
By 5 posts - that's a remarkably narrow margin.
Clearly this group has a much higher than average number of users who
do not use OE, if a niche client like Xnews can come that close to
unseating OE. It's not surprising, but it is encouraging to see that
barely 1 post in 5 here is made through Outhouse Excreta.

OP referred to : agents by poster OE : 157; Xnews : 74 ...
You referred to : agents by number of posts OE : 459; Xnews : 454 ...
but you then go on driveling about number of users in stead of posts.
Are you blonde?

The stats show again that Xnews users in here are relatively very
prolific posters. You could call that the Xnews diarrhroea.
Especially w.r.t. (former, but long time) Xnews user Blinky Brown.
 
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Mister Charlie

Roger Johansson said:
And yes, it will be freeware.
Money will be abolished, and work.
Everybody can do whatever they like to do.
Everything will be free.

That's what we thought in the 60's. It's sure takin' it's time.
 
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Max Quordlepleen

OP referred to : agents by poster OE : 157; Xnews :
74 ... You referred to : agents by number of posts OE : 459;
Xnews : 454 ... but you then go on driveling about number of users
in stead of posts. Are you blonde?

No, but, unlike you, it appears that I am able to read.

I said, "this group has a much higher than average number of users who
do not use OE" - a phrase that embraces all non-OE clients. As you
pointed out, Xnews alone has almost half the number of "agents by
poster" of OE, and that doesn't include all the other non-OE clients in
that list. Therefore, the statement that "this group has a much higher
than average number of users who do not use OE" was entirely accurate.
Also, the statement, "that barely 1 post in 5 here is made through
Outhouse Excreta" is supported by the stat.s from the list. So, yes, I
mentioned two different elements, but no, I did not get them confused.

I am sure that once you master the knack of comprehending written
English, you will enjoy it as much as I do.
 
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omega

Ravi said:
SINNER wrote:
S> Top 20 responders by original text

How's that calculated? Percent of original text vs quoted
text in replies?

Ravi, while I find your quoted:new ratios beyond all reproach, and even
exemplary...

I still must remark that you did not truly win First Place. This script
appears to look at only the first character in the lines of a post, not
say the second character.
counts as quoted text
: counts as quoted text
S> counts as new text

It's still darn nice to have a script that tabulates quoted:new ratios at
all, whatever the minor loopholes.

One big group I used to read, each week they'd post a stat for this. Thereby
any regular posters (eg >20 posts in the week) who were falling into bad
habits, they'd risk seeing their nyms in sort of a "hall of shame" list for
the week. So the overall postings were more responsible. And, since it was
just a script posting, it was a nice clean affair, without all the flammage.

One of the best side-effects of the weekly posting is that the number of
tangents on normal threads, flames about posting habits, were drastically
reduced, thereby keeping those threads on-topic.
 
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Roger Johansson

Mister Charlie said:
That's what we thought in the 60's. It's sure takin' it's time.

Just a little technical problem to fix first.

A cultural tradition which creates male minds, makes boys grow up to
men, creates strong gender roles, and violence and wars, causes
capitalism and very complicated minds.

We just have to abolish that cultural tradition first. Then we can get
back to the ideas from the 60-ies.

Unfortunately, some people in the world think that cultural pattern
and that lifestyle is worth dying for and killing for, so they have to
change their minds first.
When they are tired of fighting we can get on with some more civilized
activities.
 
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badgolferman

Roger said:
Just a little technical problem to fix first.

A cultural tradition which creates male minds, makes boys grow up to
men, creates strong gender roles, and violence and wars, causes
capitalism and very complicated minds.

We just have to abolish that cultural tradition first. Then we can get
back to the ideas from the 60-ies.

Unfortunately, some people in the world think that cultural pattern
and that lifestyle is worth dying for and killing for, so they have to
change their minds first.
When they are tired of fighting we can get on with some more civilized
activities.

Roger,
You are obviously an intelligent person and have a Utopia in mind as
indicated by your headers. But the reality of the world is that people are
not as altruistic as you wish them to be. The closest you will get to the
Utopia you desire is to join a church or a 12-step program.
 
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omega

SINNER said:
* omega Wrote in alt.comp.freeware, on Sat, 01 Nov 2003 11:48:02 -0800:
These were excellent.
[...]

Glad you liked them. Keep in mind that the timezone is set incorrectly
on many machines and can skew the stats slightly. It's easy to set the
correct time and still have the wrong zone set.

I'm familiar with what you're referring to. Had the immense frustration
one time when working on a project with someone, where we were using email
in the way others might use instant messaging -- high volume, and near
real-time. Her timezone setting being off made things really difficult,
the way it made the messages in my reader totally out of order. She worked
for the city, was on a WAN, and those sysadmins evidently did not know
about timezones, or else they really did believe they lived in Saskatchewan.
 
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omega

»Q« said:
During the time period of the analyzed articles, the US switched from
daylight saving time to standard time, so the offsets in many headers
changed. <http://www.worldtimezone.com/> has a timezone map that is
pretty easy to take in at a glance.

Thank you for the URL, it's exactly what I had in mind.

However, on this, it turns out that there's a bit of roadblock with the
script, which I hadn't noticed initially. The non-information of the large
"UTC" cat:

| Top 10 time zones
| 1: UTC....................... : 1209
| 2: -0800..................... : 254
| 3: -0500..................... : 206
| 4: +0100..................... : 144

I did a search in locally stored messages. At least in the sample I looked
over, the ones that have "+0000 UTC" in the Date fields, they do have another
field. For example:

NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 21:04:33 +0000 (UTC)
X-Trace: [...] (1 Nov 2003 21:04:33 GMT)

Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:46:07 +0000 (UTC)
X-Trace: [...] (28 Oct 2003 18:46:07 GMT)

So if the author of the script were to want to satisfy those like me who are
interested in timezone stats, he'd have to look into pulling data from the
tail end of that X-trace field. It might be hard to do, but I've no idea.
 
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omega

omega said:
I did a search in locally stored messages. At least in the sample I looked
over, the ones that have "+0000 UTC" in the Date fields, they do have another
field. For example:

NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 21:04:33 +0000 (UTC)
X-Trace: [...] (1 Nov 2003 21:04:33 GMT)

Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:46:07 +0000 (UTC)
X-Trace: [...] (28 Oct 2003 18:46:07 GMT)

So if the author of the script were to want to satisfy those like me who are
interested in timezone stats, he'd have to look into pulling data from the
tail end of that X-trace field. It might be hard to do, but I've no idea.

Krap, self-lart due. It's only after posting that I see that the x-trace
field is not giving timezone information, so everything quoted above is
just an invalid ramble.

At this point, since I'm already talking before thinking, I'll just say
aloud my conclusion of this moment: those servers that are doing +0000 UTC,
they render it impossible for the gathering of complete timezone stats.
 
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One big group I used to read, each week they'd post a stat for
this. Thereby any regular posters (eg >20 posts in the week) who
were falling into bad habits, they'd risk seeing their nyms in
sort of a "hall of shame" list for the week. So the overall
postings were more responsible. And, since it was just a script
posting, it was a nice clean affair, without all the flammage.

It's possible to generate such a report with GoldFind, but posting it
regularly would lead to some flamage, I reckon. It's quite strict in
what it flags - you and I would both be marked down for not using real
names in From headers, for example. Also I don't see a way to limit
the results to posters with > N posts in a time period.

The criteria used, along with their scores, are at
<http://web.ukonline.co.uk/davidgb/dau_jones.html> and an old analysis
of a.c.f posts is at
<http://web.ukonline.co.uk/davidgb/acf_stat6.html>.

GoldFind is open source software, so anybody who wanted to could modify
the "Dau Jones ;-)" criteria.
 
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omega

»Q« said:
It's possible to generate such a report with GoldFind, but posting it
regularly would lead to some flamage, I reckon. It's quite strict in
what it flags - you and I would both be marked down for not using real
names in From headers, for example. Also I don't see a way to limit
the results to posters with > N posts in a time period.

I have a very vague memory that someone used to post stats from GoldFind
here in ACF, for a little while at least. I don't like the whole subjective
ranking deal. (And the name in my header is valid! It was the name of my
favorite pet, and pets are not required to have last names! Fooey.)

This is why I liked the script whose results SINNER posted. It only gave
numbers, and did not try to assemble a whole slew of judgements together
to give posters scores or grades.
The criteria used, along with their scores, are at
<http://web.ukonline.co.uk/davidgb/dau_jones.html> and an old analysis
of a.c.f posts is at
<http://web.ukonline.co.uk/davidgb/acf_stat6.html>.

GoldFind is open source software, so anybody who wanted to could modify
the "Dau Jones ;-)" criteria.

I'm keeping the URLS -- oh wait, there you are, a scorecard analysis
archive about acf....

Really just the quoted:new ratios, in standalone, is the needed stat.

Plus maybe some extended numbers on news clients, because so many of us
are interested in that subject. Oh, and not forget, volume by subject,
to find how we wasted another week. :)
 
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Roger Johansson

badgolferman said:
You are obviously an intelligent person and have a Utopia in mind as
indicated by your headers. But the reality of the world is that people are
not as altruistic as you wish them to be.

The reason why people cannot be as nice and altruistic as they
actually would like to be is a cultural pattern they are being taught.
It is not something we are born with. Our children and youngsters are
forced to become tougher and more devious year after year.
They can no longer react naturally, and they have suspicious minds.

Why can't we have public domain freeware, which would enable us to
develop software together in an optimal way?

Because people react to the idea with: "But then somebody would take
it and sell it."

Well, so what?

We would just make even better programs together than anybody ever
could write alone. Who cares if somebody can make money on it too?

There is no real reason to worry about that possibility. But people
are so much trained in being suspicious so they are hindered from
cooperating in an optimal way.
Every programmer is working alone, suspiciously guarding his source
code, putting all kinds of limits on his software.

We see every day on television how dangerous and devious people are.
People are trained by media and the social world to never relax, to
always keep their weapons ready. It is a cultural ideal.
It is manly. It is about the manly honor.

It is all about what means people can allow themselves to use.

When people no longer use harassments, mobbing, threats, violence, to
achieve what they think is necessary, then we can start living for
real, then there is no need for money or weapons anymore.
 
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jason

People are trained by media and the social world to never relax, to
always keep their weapons ready. It is a cultural ideal.

I dunno...if it's a cultural thing, that means there should be
societies...somewhere in the world...that are NOT like that. Are there? (I
don't know, I'm just asking.) It seems that every "peaceful" culture I've
ever heard about has turned warlike whenever there was a scarcity of
something...food, water, land, etc.

And with a burgeoning population and dwindling resources, it seems conflict
is inevitable, now and in the future.
 
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badgolferman

Why can't we have public domain freeware, which would enable us to
develop software together in an optimal way?

Because people react to the idea with: "But then somebody would take
it and sell it."

Well, so what?

We would just make even better programs together than anybody ever
could write alone. Who cares if somebody can make money on it too?

People need an incentive to achieve difficult things. Whether the incentive
is fear or capital or love is debatable. Your socialistic idealism
continues to fail throughout countries overwrought with overbearing taxes
and masses of people on the public dole. It has been shown throughout time
that greed ultimately wins out. As for love, I see you conveniently omitted
my last sentence from my previous post in your response.
 

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