Should upgrade to XP from 98SE?

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Rob

Hello - quick query... all of my hardware is good to go,
256mb ram, 400 chip speed, and 33gb hard drive. However,
we have quite a few games that we can't currently play
since they are for win95, and we now don't want to lose
any capability to play additional games &/or other
programs if we go to win XP. Does anyone know if this is
a valid concern, and if so, what can we do to help this?

Question 2: is win XP really worth the additional cost and
learning curve?

thanks!
 
S

Sam

I was concerned about all my old games/programs too, but
you can find many modern ports enabling them to work on
XP if you just search around. I would reccomend a serious
upgrade in computer parts if you want to play modern
games though. Even on 98SE that is a pretty slow
computer.

XP is worth the price, and is very simple to learn. It
has way less bugs, is much more supported by modern
programs, and has much more adminstrative control and
tweaking abilities. I hope this helps.

-Sam
 
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Rob B

Your computer is a little slow for windows xp...although your RAM should
make up for the slow clock speed. I would recommend Windows 2000 which is a
little less graphix intensive. as for programs working, it is really hit
and miss. I would say about 80% of old software works fine on 2000/XP.
 
M

Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP Windows Shell/User\)

If you are already having problems getting your games to run in Windows 98,
it's a sure bet it will be worse in XP. You could however dual boot with
your current OS, that will at least ensure you will have any less access to
those games. You'd just boot into 98 and play the games there.
 
M

Michael Stevens

Rob said:
Hello - quick query... all of my hardware is good to go,
256mb ram, 400 chip speed, and 33gb hard drive. However,
we have quite a few games that we can't currently play
since they are for win95, and we now don't want to lose
any capability to play additional games &/or other
programs if we go to win XP. Does anyone know if this is
a valid concern, and if so, what can we do to help this?

Question 2: is win XP really worth the additional cost and
learning curve?

thanks!

Your system is adequate for upgrading to XP, but it will be slower, you will
most likely need to purchase upgraded software and hardware after the
upgrade. May I make the suggestion that instead of upgrading the current
system, you would be better off purchasing an entry level XP system for the
same expense you would spend upgrading and then you could add your old
computer to a home network for the price of a Ethernet card and some cables.
You could use the old system for backup storage, etc.
--

Michael Stevens MS-MVP XP
(e-mail address removed)
http://michaelstevenstech.com
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J

Johann Backer

I have used XP Professional about three (3) weeks - 10 to 14 hours a day and
I am RETURNING to W98SE . . this weekend.

With the NTFS File system, it freezes up just as much as previous with
FAT32.

NO Scandisk.

Won't Defrag a floppy.

Folders are HELL to Locate.

OE 6 is . .almost useless: at least 350 error reports have been sent to
Microsoft in the past SEVEN (7) days. (NO FIX YET).

In MY opinion: XP is NOT worth the time/aggervation NOR THE BUCKS.

It was indeed . . . an "eXPerience". Not one I would want to repeat.

Laerning Curve? I'd still be learning, when Longhorn is released.
Seriously. I did NOT think that anything could be worse than going from
Windows for Workgroups 3.11 to Windows 95 - XP PROVED THAT . . . WRONG!!!
 
R

rifleman

Johann Backer cogitated deeply and scribbled thusly:
I have used XP Professional about three (3) weeks - 10 to 14 hours a day and
I am RETURNING to W98SE . . this weekend.

With the NTFS File system, it freezes up just as much as previous with
FAT32.

Well I've not heard of that happening.
NO Scandisk.

No, it's Chkdsk - the same as with W2K and NT. Does the same things.
Won't Defrag a floppy.

Why would you want to?
Folders are HELL to Locate.

No they're not.
OE 6 is . .almost useless: at least 350 error reports have been sent to
Microsoft in the past SEVEN (7) days. (NO FIX YET).

Are you patched up? I've had NO problems with OE in eighteen MONTHS.
In MY opinion: XP is NOT worth the time/aggervation NOR THE BUCKS.

It was indeed . . . an "eXPerience". Not one I would want to repeat.

Laerning Curve? I'd still be learning, when Longhorn is released.
Seriously. I did NOT think that anything could be worse than going from
Windows for Workgroups 3.11 to Windows 95 - XP PROVED THAT . . . WRONG!!!

Suggest you re-package your machine and return to vendor.
 
P

Papa

Hello Johann:

Sorry to read of your problems with XP. I am quite pleased with it, and have
never encountered any of the problems you mentioned.

By the way, I am not an employee of Microsoft, never have been an employee
of Microsoft, nor of any of their affiliates. I am just a retiree who has
been out of the work force for 15 years.

Here are some thoughts regarding your complaints:

XP uses Chkdsk instead of Scandisk - as do all NT type operating systems.

If a floppy disk is fragmented, just copy the files to a temporary HD
folder, reformat the floppy, then copy the files back to the floppy. I have
never found a need to defragment a floppy, not with W3.x, nor W9x, nor XP.

Folders are easy to locate. All you need to do is click on Start/All
Programs/Accessories/Windows Explorer. Then look at what is there. Even
easier is just drag the Windows Explorer to your desktop and create a
shortcut there.

Are you getting spam mail and virus attacks? You should be using anti-virus
software and anti-spyware software. Of course, you should do that regardless
of which OS you are using.

Are you using your real e-mail address in newsgroup posts? If so, you are
inviting spammers to your Inbox, and that could be contributing to your OE
problems.

Are you having any driver problems since installing XP? Did you run the XP
compatibility program that comes with XP? Did the results show any
incompatibilities? Is your RAM and HD capacity large enough for XP? Is your
CPU fast enough? These are all questions that should be considered before
switching to XP.

NTFS has been widely tested and has been documented as being much more
stable than FAT32.

Regards.
 
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Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP Windows Shell/User\)

I guess it's a little late to offer any assistance but moving from one
operating system to another, while usually as simple as installing an
application still requires some homework before making the move.

The file system is not is not the issue, potential incompatibilities on your
setup are. Before you made the jump did you run the compatibility wizard to
see if there were any hardware or software issues that needed to be resolved
before installing XP? That can be run from the XP CD and could have been
run from your 98SE desktop by simply placing the XP CD in the drive and
selecting "Check System Compatibility" when the setup screen appears.
Before running it you should make sure any applications you intend to use
under XP are installed on your 98SE setup so the compatibility wizard can
check them out as well.
 
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Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP Windows Shell/User\)

They should be aware that while this option exists, it's not perfect and
there are applications that will not run regardless of "Compatibility Mode."
There is no guarantee they won't lose the ability to play some of those
games under XP.
 
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Johann Backer

Papa said:
Hello Johann:

Sorry to read of your problems with XP. I am quite pleased with it, and have
never encountered any of the problems you mentioned.

How long do you use it each day and how many days a week? I am ADDICTED and
have been terminated, yes, terminated by three (3) employers because I could
NOT "logoff" and go to work. With one, I was so engrossed that I neglected
to call in "sick". Termination: no call - no show.
I admit that I have a PROBLEM and If I were a Drug User, I could get help,
however I am a Computer User and there are NO PROGRAMS for us. Of course I
would have to "logoff" and attend the program, wouldn't I?
If a floppy disk is fragmented, just copy the files to a temporary HD
folder, reformat the floppy, then copy the files back to the floppy. I have
never found a need to defragment a floppy, not with W3.x, nor W9x, nor XP.

7 files on floppy. Delete 1 or more=defrag to add additional file/s.
Are you getting spam mail and virus attacks?
Constantly.

You should be using anti-virus software and anti-spyware software. Of
course, you should do that regardless
of which OS you are using.

AVG and AdAware.
Are you using your real e-mail address in newsgroup posts? If so, you are
inviting spammers to your Inbox, and that could be contributing to your OE
problems.
Yes

Are you having any driver problems since installing XP?

No. However I did install the programs (plural) for both HP Printers (
deskjet 940c and officejet d145) in order to use ALL THE FUNCTIONS of both
printers AND the program for the CDR-RW Drive as I want to - - - write all
files to the HD - BEFORE copying to the CD.
Did you run the XP compatibility program that comes with XP?

No, as it was a new install.
Did the results show any incompatibilities?
N/A

Is your RAM and HD capacity large enough for XP?

Ram: 256MB PC2700 (32MB -sharerd)
HD: Eight (8) GB
Virtual Memory: set to PERMANENT 330MB.
[please note: a Samsung CDR-RW is used for what would be considered "heavy
storage": downladed programs, jpg's, bmp's etc]
Is your CPU fast enough?

Intel (Pentium 4???) Celeron 1700 - Actually it says "Intel Pentium 4
Celeron 1700"
It cannot be BOTH a Pentium 4 AND Celeron, can it? (In either case, it is an
improvement over the AMD K6-2/500Mhz in the old system)



****QUESTION on RAM: I 'thought' I had PC21000 and purchased another 256MB.
WILL PC 2100 and 2700 work together as I don't want to short out/burn up the
motherboard.
If so, how, logically should they be installed: 2100/2700 or 2700/2100?

****NEEDED: DOWNLOAD link to: 'OE Quote Fix for PC', in ENGLISH, not Mac -
that Google keeps giving me.

Thanks.
 
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Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP Windows Shell/User\)

You can still run the compatibility check on your current setup, new install
or not. It may give a clue as to the source of the issue as it will check
your hardware and software for any compatibility issues.

Also, check the Event Log for errors as this too may give clues as to the
source of the issue. Open Control Panel, open Administrative Tools, open
Event viewer, look for error messages, double click the messages as the
information within may give a clue as to the source of the problem
especially with errors that repeat since this will indicate trouble spots.

Check Device Manager for any red or yellow warnings as these indicate
problems with hardware or their drivers. Open Control Panel, open System,
go to the Hardware tab and click Device Manager.

Your graphics card is apparently sharing memory with the main system memory.
It's quite possible this is a problem area. XP is quite graphics intensive,
shared memory systems can be prone to crashing and lockups depending upon
what you do.

Change Virtual Memory to system managed, based on the memory you have with
some allocated to the graphics card, you should let the system use the free
space to expand the pagefile as necessary.

You don't say what application you are using with your CD-RW drive but I can
tell you this was and has been a major source of problems and conflicts with
XP so it is absolutely necessary to be sure that your burning application is
not only fully compatible with XP but also has any updates from the
application manufacturer's website.

Have you checked to see if there are later versions of your printer
applications from HP? Aside from viruses, dated drivers and software are
the single largest reason why XP and any other version of Windows for that
matter, crash.

By your own admission, you are constantly getting virus attacks. Antivirus
software or no, you need to keep it updated and not only let it work as a
gateway but scan frequently. Further, constantly getting viruses is
directly related to how a user uses his system and the more you get, the
greater the likelihood some remnants will be left behind even after your
system has been cleaned by your antivirus software.

I note your response to someone else with regard to how much they use their
system as though that's what set's your set of circumstances apart from his.
My system runs and is functioning 7 days a week and rarely less than 12
hours a day, usually more. I don't have the kinds of problems with my setup
that you describe with yours. You have a lot of potential sources for
trouble as enumerated here.


--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

Johann Backer said:
Papa said:
Hello Johann:

Sorry to read of your problems with XP. I am quite pleased with it, and have
never encountered any of the problems you mentioned.

How long do you use it each day and how many days a week? I am ADDICTED and
have been terminated, yes, terminated by three (3) employers because I could
NOT "logoff" and go to work. With one, I was so engrossed that I neglected
to call in "sick". Termination: no call - no show.
I admit that I have a PROBLEM and If I were a Drug User, I could get help,
however I am a Computer User and there are NO PROGRAMS for us. Of course I
would have to "logoff" and attend the program, wouldn't I?
If a floppy disk is fragmented, just copy the files to a temporary HD
folder, reformat the floppy, then copy the files back to the floppy. I have
never found a need to defragment a floppy, not with W3.x, nor W9x, nor
XP.

7 files on floppy. Delete 1 or more=defrag to add additional file/s.
Are you getting spam mail and virus attacks?
Constantly.

You should be using anti-virus software and anti-spyware software. Of
course, you should do that regardless
of which OS you are using.

AVG and AdAware.
Are you using your real e-mail address in newsgroup posts? If so, you are
inviting spammers to your Inbox, and that could be contributing to your OE
problems.
Yes

Are you having any driver problems since installing XP?

No. However I did install the programs (plural) for both HP Printers (
deskjet 940c and officejet d145) in order to use ALL THE FUNCTIONS of both
printers AND the program for the CDR-RW Drive as I want to - - - write all
files to the HD - BEFORE copying to the CD.
Did you run the XP compatibility program that comes with XP?

No, as it was a new install.
Did the results show any incompatibilities?
N/A

Is your RAM and HD capacity large enough for XP?

Ram: 256MB PC2700 (32MB -sharerd)
HD: Eight (8) GB
Virtual Memory: set to PERMANENT 330MB.
[please note: a Samsung CDR-RW is used for what would be considered "heavy
storage": downladed programs, jpg's, bmp's etc]
Is your CPU fast enough?

Intel (Pentium 4???) Celeron 1700 - Actually it says "Intel Pentium 4
Celeron 1700"
It cannot be BOTH a Pentium 4 AND Celeron, can it? (In either case, it is an
improvement over the AMD K6-2/500Mhz in the old system)



****QUESTION on RAM: I 'thought' I had PC21000 and purchased another 256MB.
WILL PC 2100 and 2700 work together as I don't want to short out/burn up the
motherboard.
If so, how, logically should they be installed: 2100/2700 or 2700/2100?

****NEEDED: DOWNLOAD link to: 'OE Quote Fix for PC', in ENGLISH, not Mac -
that Google keeps giving me.

Thanks.
 
P

Papa

To answer his question to me, my system is on and being used at least 6
hours per day, 7 days per week. That's the way it has been for months, and
no problems yet.

"Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)"

I note your response to someone else with regard to how much they use their
system as though that's what set's your set of circumstances apart from his.
My system runs and is functioning 7 days a week and rarely less than 12
hours a day, usually more. I don't have the kinds of problems with my setup
that you describe with yours. You have a lot of potential sources for
trouble as enumerated here.
<snip>
 
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Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP Windows Shell/User\)

I was thinking that at first but now it appears he posted in frustration. I
don't think he would have responded in this fashion if he was just looking
to stir up trouble.
 
J

Johann Bäcker

Michael said:
I was thinking that at first but now it appears he posted in
frustration. I don't think he would have responded in this fashion
if he was just looking to stir up trouble.

No, I was not looking to . . . "stir up trouble". I had enough.

Update: After running UpgAdv.exe, Easy CD Creator 5 was found to be, not
compatiable.

I also did a search on shlwapi.dll as OE constantly generated Error Reports
on this and found that I had three (3) versions. Not knowing what to do with
that situation, I formatted the hard drive. And yes, I did put XP Pro back
on.

I have not had a reply on the memory: PC2100 and PC2700 compatability issue,
as yet: can they be used together?
If so, is it Slot 1- 2700 Slot 2-2100 or reverse?

As for OE Quote Fix: http://flash.to/oe-quotefix/ or


http://www.majorgeeks.com/download4029.html

Spell Checker for OE: http://www.majorgeeks.com/download2952.html

Thanks for your patience and assistance.
 
M

Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP Windows Shell/User\)

You're welcome.

I don't know if the memory can be used together, I don't think so. You
might want to check the following sites for more information about memory
issues:
www.simmtester.com
www.crucial.com

Easy CD Creator 5 with the latest updates is compatible but you must do a
custom install and elect NOT to install the Take Two component as it is not
compatible. You install, then reboot, you receive an error that Direct CD
is not compatible and is being turned off (Actually, you'll receive a notice
to that effect during setup as well but let it install anyway) then apply
the latest patch for Easy CD Creator 5 and that will update the components
including Direct CD. That said, you really would be better off with Easy CD
Creator 6. It better integrates with XP and currently, all components are
compatible so you don't have to do a custom install. Also, with regard to
the install, some have found you should apply the patch before rebooting,
other's, including myself find you must reboot first. The only way to know
for sure is to do it and that's another reason to move to Easy CD Creator 6.

Outlook Express problems you may want to post to the Outlook Express board
on this server.
 
R

Rob B

Should it rain in California with all of the fires going on?
Should you breathe in the morning when you wake up?
 

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