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Guest
Anyone know when Release Candidate 1 will come out and what it will fix? Beta
2 is giving me a few VERY annoying headaches...grrrrrr....
ZAZ
2 is giving me a few VERY annoying headaches...grrrrrr....
ZAZ
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display name
That'll be 25 cents.
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John Jay Smith
and they said that linux sucked....
I gave up on giving so much physical and mental energy to the vista betas...
If something REALLY improves then I will install another one....
the problem is that they are just removing bugs, while vista needs more
changes than that...
ahh welll the world is not perfect.
It is interesting to see what will happen to the computer world now that MS
will not have a winning OS as its flagship.. perhaps other OS will get a
chance...
Like MACOSX.. apple is doing some good moves now...
as for linux.. alas.. there is still not a good enough distro that can
handle desktop everyday use by masses.... Its fully capable though.. if you
think that MacOSX is based on unix too (BSD).. they just added a very good
GUI...
talking about good GUI.. Vista is NOT!
I gave up on giving so much physical and mental energy to the vista betas...
If something REALLY improves then I will install another one....
the problem is that they are just removing bugs, while vista needs more
changes than that...
ahh welll the world is not perfect.
It is interesting to see what will happen to the computer world now that MS
will not have a winning OS as its flagship.. perhaps other OS will get a
chance...
Like MACOSX.. apple is doing some good moves now...
as for linux.. alas.. there is still not a good enough distro that can
handle desktop everyday use by masses.... Its fully capable though.. if you
think that MacOSX is based on unix too (BSD).. they just added a very good
GUI...
talking about good GUI.. Vista is NOT!
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Paul Smith
ZAZ said:
Hundreds of things, perhaps even thousands of things. Beta 2 is pretty
ancient now, the newer builds are a lot better, hang in there.
--
Paul Smith,
Yeovil, UK.
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
http://www.windowsresource.net/
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William
Another candidate for the Rubber Cigar Award.
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Chad Harris
Your headaches will be increased, but the build number will change. They
have elected to give up on a number of features and bugs, but they will try
to make a pretty retail RTM box. The OEM purchasers will be screwed when it
comes to repairing serious problems because they will not access Startup
Repair.
CH
have elected to give up on a number of features and bugs, but they will try
to make a pretty retail RTM box. The OEM purchasers will be screwed when it
comes to repairing serious problems because they will not access Startup
Repair.
CH
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Guest
I'll try...just hope RC1 = dramatically better!!
Paul Smith said:Hundreds of things, perhaps even thousands of things. Beta 2 is pretty
ancient now, the newer builds are a lot better, hang in there.
--
Paul Smith,
Yeovil, UK.
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
http://www.windowsresource.net/
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Raven Mill
John Jay Smith said:
Errr....
Here's what *I* get a kick out of...
No one in the GPL arena is suing apple for stealing and selling OSx code...
and if you think that OSx has a "good GUI" then you're obviously a mac fan,
because it looks HORRIBLE, and every time I see something similar in Vista I
cringe because they are trying to give the "masses" something that,
ultimately, people will say "God that looks horrible"
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Guest
The Mac OSX interface not that bad, but too much eye candy. Some eye candy
in Vista, I know, but look at the Time Machine feature of the upcoming
Leopard. Does it need to be that fancy (with the starfield...looks sort of
like Flip 3D of Vista)? Look at Tiger now; switching users...does it
absolutely need to rotate a 3D cube? I know its cool. I know that XP's user
switching is choppy and gives you black screens for brief moments. But a 3D
cube? A fade transition or some other sort would be fine. It's Apple acting
like Apple again.
in Vista, I know, but look at the Time Machine feature of the upcoming
Leopard. Does it need to be that fancy (with the starfield...looks sort of
like Flip 3D of Vista)? Look at Tiger now; switching users...does it
absolutely need to rotate a 3D cube? I know its cool. I know that XP's user
switching is choppy and gives you black screens for brief moments. But a 3D
cube? A fade transition or some other sort would be fine. It's Apple acting
like Apple again.
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Colin Barnhorst
Having watched the Apple WWDC06 keynote, I laugh too. After bashing MS for
copycatting, Steve J. boldly shows off a new feature for Spotlight coming up
in Leopard that allows the user to run a program from the search bar. No
doubt MS will copy this for Vista, eh? And then a VP showed off Time
Machine which will do something amazingly like what VSS provides for with
Previous Versions. No doubt MS will copy that one too, eh?
copycatting, Steve J. boldly shows off a new feature for Spotlight coming up
in Leopard that allows the user to run a program from the search bar. No
doubt MS will copy this for Vista, eh? And then a VP showed off Time
Machine which will do something amazingly like what VSS provides for with
Previous Versions. No doubt MS will copy that one too, eh?
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Colin Barnhorst
5505, which is best described as a "pre-RC1 build" (whatever that is
supposed to mean), is by all reports amazingly better. Hang in there.
supposed to mean), is by all reports amazingly better. Hang in there.
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Chad Harris
Both Jobs and Gates stole freely from Xerox park and some from IBM. Gates
stole MIPS from an individual who could have had he played his cards
correctly been a multimillionaire now.
Jobs stole IE 4 from MSFT.
MSFT has copied a great deal from Apple over the years, and I must say IE7
in any incarnation in Vista is a very poor imitator of Firefox.
If you haven't used Firefox Colin, I suggest you get to know the wide
variety of Extenders.
I don't see MSFT cutting off support for MAC in a lot of arenas. They did
however see to it that right now their newer bios won't support Vistaat
least probably for a couple years.
CH
stole MIPS from an individual who could have had he played his cards
correctly been a multimillionaire now.
Jobs stole IE 4 from MSFT.
MSFT has copied a great deal from Apple over the years, and I must say IE7
in any incarnation in Vista is a very poor imitator of Firefox.
If you haven't used Firefox Colin, I suggest you get to know the wide
variety of Extenders.
I don't see MSFT cutting off support for MAC in a lot of arenas. They did
however see to it that right now their newer bios won't support Vistaat
least probably for a couple years.
CH
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John Jay Smith
Where did I say I like the GUI of Macs? Compared to Linux though MacOSX is
like comparing a porche to a yugo!
By the way Vista or more horrible than macOS and NO Im not a mac fan!
Vista is also more horrible than winxp, 2000, me.
Vista is more horrible than my ancient (yet still functional) spectrum
48k...
you get my point.. VISTA STINKS or VISTINKS for short.
like comparing a porche to a yugo!
By the way Vista or more horrible than macOS and NO Im not a mac fan!
Vista is also more horrible than winxp, 2000, me.
Vista is more horrible than my ancient (yet still functional) spectrum
48k...
you get my point.. VISTA STINKS or VISTINKS for short.
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Colin Barnhorst
I'm only addressing the claims SJ made this week that just are funny to
watch if you are a Vista user. What they all really do is just normal
business, but making ridiculous claims like SJ was doing is something else
again.
watch if you are a Vista user. What they all really do is just normal
business, but making ridiculous claims like SJ was doing is something else
again.
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Chad Harris
There are probably a number of books on the early days, when SJ and BG were
starting up--this also has some good chapters on Gates growing up--Allen and
Gates riding their bikes to critique computer programers at a large company
when they were 123 and 15 and later. I have a few, and they help me get
perspective since I wasn't using computers in those early on times like many
people were, but you'd probably enjoy this if you haven't seen it (in
paperback and sometimes in the used stores):
Fire In the Valley
http://www.fireinthevalley.com/
CH
starting up--this also has some good chapters on Gates growing up--Allen and
Gates riding their bikes to critique computer programers at a large company
when they were 123 and 15 and later. I have a few, and they help me get
perspective since I wasn't using computers in those early on times like many
people were, but you'd probably enjoy this if you haven't seen it (in
paperback and sometimes in the used stores):
Fire In the Valley
http://www.fireinthevalley.com/
CH
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Colin Barnhorst
Yes, I have Fire in the Valley.
Chad Harris said:
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Raven Mill
Wow...I read that book years ago. The site was 404 for me when I tried it,
but we're getting our BXB in today, so it was probably from that, as we've
been on and off-line while they get us hooked to the system.
It is a good book though. Is it a movie now?
but we're getting our BXB in today, so it was probably from that, as we've
been on and off-line while they get us hooked to the system.
It is a good book though. Is it a movie now?
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Mario Rosario
John Jay Smith said:
My OS is better than your OS, and it is not MACOSX, it is Mac OS X.
You know. I have nothing against the Mac OS. But the interface is just not
intuitive to me. You have to get used to the interface; I can never find my
way around the Mac, and I can never get used to the one button mouse. I've
had exposure to it now and then since the early days of Macintosh, that's
like Mac OS 3 or even earlier? I have seen Apple rise and dwindle through
the years, struggled through the years, dined at the Apple headquarter
campus. But the Apple culture is a turbulent one, at one time Apple products
even seemed like a cult than a lifestyle; like Harley-Davidson.
But operating systems seem to be converging into two major camps, Microsoft
and UNIX geneology on x86 architecture. It is much like the two political
party system we have in our government. Anyone sees it differently?
J
John Jay Smith
My OSs are better than yours because I have and use all of them...
I care less of the brand and name of the OS, as long as it helps me do
what I have to do!
Thats why I hated win98.. although thats what I used... it crashed all the
time,
with the extreamly complex things I was creating....
I care less of the brand and name of the OS, as long as it helps me do
what I have to do!
Thats why I hated win98.. although thats what I used... it crashed all the
time,
with the extreamly complex things I was creating....
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Guest
Chad, Chad. So much anger. Take a deep breath.
I worked in IT where systems were developed for a staff of 13,000. When bugs
are reported they are listed from critical (show stopper) down to minimal
impact on the system. Someone has to put a peg in the ground and sort the
bugs relevant to the impact on the system.
So what if the Sidebar is missing in a build, no big deal as long as other
critical bugs are corrected. I have seen a system go from a complete dog to
running like a dream 3 builds later.
Beta 2 on my machine shows 8.99. I didn't grab the release and install on
impulse. I looked at what I wanted to run and checked what drivers were
available. Hey! this is a beta after all. My machine is running fine.
Let's leave the criticism off until RC1 is released. If it's crap, we will
all tell MS.
Jonty
I worked in IT where systems were developed for a staff of 13,000. When bugs
are reported they are listed from critical (show stopper) down to minimal
impact on the system. Someone has to put a peg in the ground and sort the
bugs relevant to the impact on the system.
So what if the Sidebar is missing in a build, no big deal as long as other
critical bugs are corrected. I have seen a system go from a complete dog to
running like a dream 3 builds later.
Beta 2 on my machine shows 8.99. I didn't grab the release and install on
impulse. I looked at what I wanted to run and checked what drivers were
available. Hey! this is a beta after all. My machine is running fine.
Let's leave the criticism off until RC1 is released. If it's crap, we will
all tell MS.
Jonty