REINSTALLING WINDOWSXP

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peewee

My sisters computer started running REAL slow a short while ago, so I figured
I try the restore option, but it wouldn't let me do it. I The only thing I
can think of doing is to reinstall windows, the only thing is I don't know
who to do it. I have the discs that came with the computer, they are dell and
Microsoft cd's, do I just us all the cd's I have or just the reinstallation
cd, and do I have uninstall any programs on the computer? If so how do I do
it.
 
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db ´¯`·.. >

option a - if there is a restore
point available, then
boot into safemode
to initiate one.

also, if windows runs
better in safemode, then
windows has something
running on it that is slowing
it down.

here are the steps in accessing
safemode. follow steps 1,2,3
and select the regular "safemode"

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315222

however, back to your inquiry
about using the windows cd.

option b - the cd can reinstall windows,
or repair the one that is
on the disk. here are the
instructions on using the
windows cd to "repair windows":

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/helpandsupport/learnmore/tips/doug92.mspx

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let us know if you can
use option a. this is the
better way to go.

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peewee

Thank's to all, I will give that a try tomorrow.

db ´¯`·.. > said:
option a - if there is a restore
point available, then
boot into safemode
to initiate one.

also, if windows runs
better in safemode, then
windows has something
running on it that is slowing
it down.

here are the steps in accessing
safemode. follow steps 1,2,3
and select the regular "safemode"

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315222

however, back to your inquiry
about using the windows cd.

option b - the cd can reinstall windows,
or repair the one that is
on the disk. here are the
instructions on using the
windows cd to "repair windows":

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/helpandsupport/learnmore/tips/doug92.mspx

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let us know if you can
use option a. this is the
better way to go.

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peewee

Just wanted to let you know that I tried your instructions to get to safe
mode, did not work, don't know why. Restarted the computer, when booting
pressed F8, nothing happend.
 
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db ´¯`·.. >

i've seen a number of
postings regarding the
inability to access safemode,
which are odd events.

option 1 - you might
try to log back into
windows the regular
method.

however, press and hold down
the shift key as soon
as the boot process
begins and don't release
until one or two icons
begin to appear on a
desktop.

this process will cancel out
any pre starting programs
that may be contributing to
the issue you are having. so
be patient as it will take a
bit longer to load the desktop.

after the desktop is loaded
check out the system to see
if there is a sign of improvement

if so, then the issue may have
been discovered.

option 2 - if not, then click on
start>run>msconfig

under the boot tab
check the option for
safeboot and sub option
network.

when you re boot, this
should take you into
safemode.

in safemode, not only
are the startups cancelled
out as with the shift key
method, but only the basic
windows services and drivers
are loaded and nothing else.

again, if you notice an improvement
in performance in safemode, then
the o.s. simply needs cleaning up.

when you ready to boot back
into normal mode, run msconfig
again while in safemode an uncheck
the boxes.

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later, you can run the
recovery console from the
windows cd and run a
bootcfg command that
will fix your broken f8
boot menu.


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Plato

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My sisters computer started running REAL slow a short while ago, so I figured

Most often due to low HDD space, viruses, or spyware, or all of the
above.
 
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peewee

db, thank's for the help, I restored my sisters computer to another date, I
did it in regular mode instead of safemode like you told me to do because I
didn't have the instructions to get to safemode, would that make a
difference? When the systems restore was complete it didn't help but I had to
undo the restore because after the restore the dvd and the cd did not work
and when I went to look for it at the DEVICES WITH REMOVABLE STORAGE list
they both were gone, so I then undid the restore and they reappeared, why did
this happen? I guess my only option is to try the reinstallation CD, the only
problem with that is that my sister does not have one, I do can use mine on
her computer? Both are XP home, my computer is two years older.One more
thing, when I shut down the computer a window comes on that says the ccApp is
shutting down, can this have something to do with the problem I am having?
 
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db ´¯`·.. >

ok, well it was a good try
to do the restore point from
normal mode, e.g. regular mode
and it is fortunate that you are
willing to take some initiative.

the differences between normal
mode and safemode is that in
normal mode all third party
software and drivers are loaded.

out of many possibilities that can
contribute to the problem, bad
software or poorly configured software
can be the proverbial monkey wench
in the gears and cogs that make
windows work.

for example, if you sister loaded
two or three antivirus's then this
would bog down the system. also
there are problems for windows
with trend and nav anti virus softwares.

also, since you mentioned the cd/dvd
there may be issues with these drivers.
however, just because you have an
issue with these two drivers does not
means that windows needs to be
reinstalled. the drivers can be rolled
back or reinstalled.

unlike regular mode, safemode is pure
microsoft windows and everything
that is not microsoft is not loaded.
for ease of perspective we can consider
safemode as a virgin state of windows
and a perfect environment to examine
the operating system.

what i suggest is to do this:

1) boot into regular mode
2) do a click start>run>msconfig
3) go to the services tab
3a) enable the option to "hide" microsoft services.
3b) disable "all" options that remain visible
4) go to startup tab
4a) disable all startups
5) reboot

see if there is an improvement in
performance in normal mode. if
so, then the problem was eliminated
by the above process.

if not, then go back to msconfig
and check the safemode option
under the boot ini tab.

when you reboot, you should
go right into safemode instead
of regular mode.

what you need to do is to
observe windows performance

if performance is notably improved
then the is the place to fix the problem.

accessing safemode and comparing
its functionality to regular/normal
mode is a pivotal point.

let us know what your observations
are.

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peewee

db, thank's for the response, I will try what you suggested tomorrow , will
let you know how I make out. You mentioned that there maybe an issue with
the drivers for the dvd/cdc, why did they not function after the restore, and
then work when I undid the restore?
 
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db ´¯`·.. >

there are a number of reasons
that are logical and can produce
the results you mentioned.

however, if after you restored
windows to a prior date, it (windows)
was working exceptionally well except
for the cd/dvd components, then you
should keep that state (restore point)
and then work on the cd dvd driver
issue afterwards.

if you reverted the operating system
back to a dysfunctional state based
on the cd / dvd, then you took a
step backwards instead of a step
forward in resolving the problem.
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peewee

db, once again thank's for the response. Maybe I didn't make myself clear,
when I did the restore, there was no change in performance, if there was I
would have left it and tried to solve the dvd/cd problem. I was just curious
why I had that problem, that's all, just my anal personality, most people
find me annoying when I try to understand something that I have no clue about.
 
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db ´¯`·.. >

yes, you had mentioned
it.

however, it was a tangent

focus on the main issue is
what you need at this time.

let me know the results
of the methods previously
provided for you.

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peewee

db, did what you suggested to do in normal/regular mode, did not help, then
I booted up into safemode and it preformed better.
 
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db ´¯`·.. >

ok,

if safemode worked "better"
then this is what you hope
to see in normal mode as
well.

as mentioned in an earlier
response, there are important
differences between the two
modes.

one of those differentiating
factors were eliminated
from operating in the safe
mode environment.

but we still don't know exactly
what is on your system that your
sister may have installed or mis
configured, maybe all of the
above.

what is clear is that it is likely
you can reconfigure windows to
function normally again via
safemode. further, a windows
cd to repair the installation does
not seem to be required as well.

one of the differences between
the modes can be found in the
pre "starting/loading" of third
party software and their "services".

if you click on start>run>msconfig
you will find a tab for "startups" and
another for "services".

go to the startup tab and disable
everything listed. the disabling
of these items is only temporary
and until normal mode windows
is "better" again.

then go to services tab, elect the
option to hide microsoft services.
what ever is left on the listing then
proceed to disable them as well.

afterwards to reboot back to normal
mode, you may have to go to the
boot tab and uncheck the safemode
option. it is unclear to me what
method you used to ascertain safemode
at this time.

never the less, when you reboot back
into normal mode, windows will load
with the third party products.

we hope to see normal mode windows
working better now.

if so, then you may realize what is needed
to be done to sustain a normal operating
windows.

if however, windows is not "better" then
returning to safemode and investigating
the other factors that may be contributing
to windows.

"there is another day and another way",
so i say.


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peewee

db, thank's for the response, I just tried what you suggested, and it didn't
make any difference.The only thing I haven't done was systems restore in
safemode, only did it in normalmode. If you think that is worth a try, I will
do it. When I did the restore in normalmode I had to turn off the norton
progam, will I have to do the same in safemode? Other than that, is there
anything you can think of short of reinstalling XP that I can try, earlier
you mention if it runs better in safemode all I have to do is clean up the
o.s. Once again thank's for your effort!
 
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db ´¯`·.. >

well, it is unfortunate that
normal mode still did not
function as well as safemode
at this time.

it is essential to keep in mind
that the core of windows functions
well in safemode.

so in my opinion it is a non windows
program that is causing windows to
function poorly in normal mode.

you mentioned the program
called norton antivirus (nav).

although it is an excellent anti virus
it works well on many computers. however
it does not work well on many others as
well.

i am unwilling to provide you with a "why"
nav may be a factor on your sisters computer
becuase i don't have all the facts or background.

however, during this time for diagnosing
the system, it would be a good idea to
uninstall nav. it can, be re installed later
once the problem has been discovered
and resolved.

but, uninstalling nav is no longer
as simply going to add/remove programs
and you should go to its homesite and
inquire of the "exact" instructions on
uninstalling nav. if you see the option
in windows to remove nav in windows,
avoid the temptation and double check
at the nav homesite to get the latest
predure.

further, if your sister has installed other
anti virus's and number of spywares, etc,
firewalls, ad blockers, etc... i would
uninstall them all as well. having these
softwares running at the same time will
cause problems.

the above steps is simply a method of
"elimnation", to eliminate some of the
probabilities that are contributing to a
dysfunctional windows.

it is like peeling away the layers of programs
installed over the core of windows.
and we know that safemode (the core)
is not rotten.
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you mentioned reinstalling windows,
however, repairing windows with
the windows cd is a preferable
method because a repair preserves your
files while a "reinstall" wipes
everything away.

however, i don't think that you
have the option for a reinstall of
windows because:

1) safemode is operational and
windows performance is better
in safemode.

2) to do a re installation or factory
restore of windows you would have to
ensure all (all) your personal
files and pics are backup'd / copied onto
a cd or other drive because they will
be wiped away.

3) and if i am not mistaken, i believe
you mentioned there was no
windows cd for your sisters computer.

therefore, your sisters computer
may only have the option to restore
the system to factory settings, which
will wipe away the files on the disk and
restore the computer to its defaults.

regardless if a restore will be an option
to use or not, you should begin
the process to preserve your
personal files at this time.

you can use safemode to begin the
file copying/moving process.

in my opinion, i don't think a reinstall
or a factory restore is required and you
should continue to utilize safemode as
the tool and method to resolve the
issue that inflicts normal mode. but it
is your machine and can decide what
method is best for you.

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in regards to another question
you had, about the option to do a
windows system restore in safemode".

yes, a windows restore can be done
in safemode because often times
normal windows is unaccessiable during
a computer malfunction.

in your case, although normal mode is
not performing as well as it could be,
it is still accessible.

however, if after uninstalling nav still
proves to be futile, another attempt
with windows restore via safemode wouldn't
hurt. it is possible that nav had
interfered with your previous attempt.
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after your sisters computer is
functional again, we can address
all of these tangents that will
help reduce events like the above
or utter disasters.

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