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Guest

My computer running XP is slow to boot up and I noticed I have several
registry entries for programs that I have uninstalled from the "Add & Remove
Programs" in control panel. Would it help to delete these registry entries?
I have emptied my temp internet folder, deleted the cookies, defraged the
drive and it is still slow. Any suggestions?
 
N

Newbie Coder

NKG554,

Never use a registry cleaner

The only way to help speed up boot is to check what is running on startup

You can use a free application called 'autoruns' & look on the LOGON tab at the
RUN registry keys. The application can be found here:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/utilities/autoruns.mspx

To answer your other question:

These redundant entries aren't going to make a lot of difference so, leave them
be is my advice
 
M

Matt Fowler

I like the registry cleaner found on CCleaner
Download at www.ccleaner.com

Most people are against Registry Cleaners, and there is a good reason why.
Most of them aren't exactly what they should be. Editing the registry and
taking away files can severely damage your PC if you don't know what you are
doing.

The only registry cleaner I've ever liked other than the one I just
mentioned is Registry Mechanic. You can find it here
http://www.pctools.com/registry-mechanic/

There was one more registry cleaner that I used to use but I cannot think of
the name, but if you use these two you should be fine. I recommend only
running one at a time, and I suggest installing and running CCleaner first.


Hope this helps -
Matt
 
R

Rock

My computer running XP is slow to boot up and I noticed I have several
registry entries for programs that I have uninstalled from the "Add &
Remove
Programs" in control panel. Would it help to delete these registry
entries?
I have emptied my temp internet folder, deleted the cookies, defraged the
drive and it is still slow. Any suggestions?

I suggest you not use an automated registry cleaner. They can cause more
problems than they fix. The only way to use one is to scan but not fix
entries. Then look at what it flags and do some research on those issues to
see if they could be the cause. Make any changes manually. Unused/orphaned
entries in the registry do not, as a rule, cause problems.

Do some clean boot troubleshooting to see what's loading at startup to cause
the slowdown.

Clean Boot Troubleshooting

How to Troubleshoot By Using the Msconfig Utility in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=310560

How to perform advanced clean-boot troubleshooting in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=316434

How to perform a clean boot in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=310353
 
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hmm...?,

NKG554,

Never use a registry cleaner

Obviously tou have been influenced with a myth. You should
evaluate your source of information and supporting facts against
the makers of the operating system and thier specialized program.

I have been using registry cleaners since they were first developed
many years ago and it won't be necessary to repeat what has already
been carved in stone by the experts:

http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm


The only way to help speed up boot is to check what is running on
startup

Unfortunately, not true. There are other variables that can decrease
the speed of
booting. However, there are a number of ways to overcome this type of
degredation.


You can use a free application called 'autoruns' & look on the LOGON
tab at the
RUN registry keys. The application can be found here:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/utilities/autoruns.mspx

Yes, it is a helpful program. However it may or may not prove to be
useful
to the o.p. because there may not be any invalid startups. But this
suggestion
is a pretty good one nonetheless, since it doesn't hurt to double check
for
other possibilties that can contribute to the issue. A better
suggestion you could
have provided would be PageDefrag, since the freeware specifically
addresses
another cause that adversely affects the registry hives system.


To answer your other question:

These redundant entries aren't going to make a lot of difference so,
leave them
be is my advice

Generally, it's never a good idea to keep anything that has absolutely
no value. Redundant
entries can imply 1 or more, 100 or more. The point is to remove
invalid keys that have
no use other than to contribute towards the corruption of the registry
file and the
system.

"A registry file that is precise and unfragmented is better than a
bloated and fragmented
registry that contains multitudes of invalid and unprecise keys".
 
G

Guest

Thanks -- I'll read these and try it.



Rock said:
I suggest you not use an automated registry cleaner. They can cause more
problems than they fix. The only way to use one is to scan but not fix
entries. Then look at what it flags and do some research on those issues to
see if they could be the cause. Make any changes manually. Unused/orphaned
entries in the registry do not, as a rule, cause problems.

Do some clean boot troubleshooting to see what's loading at startup to cause
the slowdown.

Clean Boot Troubleshooting

How to Troubleshoot By Using the Msconfig Utility in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=310560

How to perform advanced clean-boot troubleshooting in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=316434

How to perform a clean boot in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=310353
 
B

Bruce Chambers

nkg554 said:
My computer running XP is slow to boot up and I noticed I have several
registry entries for programs that I have uninstalled from the "Add & Remove
Programs" in control panel. Would it help to delete these registry entries?

Not so much that a human could notice any difference, no.

I have emptied my temp internet folder, deleted the cookies, defraged the
drive and it is still slow. Any suggestions?

How many applications/processes do you have running in the background?
Do you need all of them?


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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

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Bruce Chambers

´¯`·.. > said:
hmm...?,



Agreed.

Obviously tou have been influenced with a myth. You should
evaluate your source of information and supporting facts against
the makers of the operating system and thier specialized program.

No, he's obviously an experienced technician who isn't swayed by empty
marketing hype, unlike yourself.

I have been using registry cleaners since they were first developed
many years ago...


And I crossed a street without getting hit by a car.... So what?
Where's the proff that registry cleaners serve any purpose beyond
separating the gullible from their money?


.... and it won't be necessary to repeat what has already

Marketing "hype" is nothing to cite if you're trying to prove a point.
Why don't you cite *technical* experts, rather than advertising copy?
Instead, why don't you point out the test results from independent
laboratories that demonstrate that registry cleaners do any good? Oh,
wait; you can't. There are none.




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They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
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Bruce Chambers

Matt said:
I like the registry cleaner found on CCleaner
Download at www.ccleaner.com


CCleaner's registry scanner seems relatively benign, as long as you
step through each detected "issue" one at a time, to determine if it
really is an "issue" or not, and then decide whether or not to let the
application "fix" it. In my testing, though, most of the reported
"issues" won't be issues, at all. I tried the latest version on a
brand-new OS installation with no additional applications installed, and
certainly none installed and then uninstalled, and CCleaner still
managed to "find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries and
dozens of purportedly "suspicious" files.

CCleaner's main strength, and the only reason I use it, lies in its
usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard drive;
as a registry "cleaner," it's not significantly better or worse than any
other snake oil product of the same type.

Most people are against Registry Cleaners, and there is a good reason why.
Most of them aren't exactly what they should be. Editing the registry and
taking away files can severely damage your PC if you don't know what you are
doing.

Correct. If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it
would be far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only
the specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After
all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally,
the manually changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely
to have the dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make
multiple changes simultaneously.

The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of
the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning
loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully
confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of
each and every change. Having seen the results of inexperienced people
using automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most
experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.
Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands
of the inexperienced user.

The only thing needed to safely clean your registry is knowledge
and Regedit.exe. If you lack the knowledge and experience to maintain
your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and
experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner,
no matter how safe they claim to be.

Further, no one has ever demonstrated, to my satisfaction, that the
use of an automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained,
inexperienced computer user, does any real good. There's certainly been
no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such
products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance
or stability.

I always use Regedit.exe. I trust my own experience and judgment
far more than I would any automated registry cleaner. I strongly
encourage others to acquire the knowledge, as well.


The only registry cleaner I've ever liked other than the one I just
mentioned is Registry Mechanic. You can find it here
http://www.pctools.com/registry-mechanic/

More Snake Oil, I'm afraid.




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They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
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:)

innocent by-standers having pc
issues because of a corrupted registry
were no more that wounded prey whereas
person's like yourself including several MVP use
to gang up for the kill, like rabid wolves.

Fortunately my experience and the backing
of Microsoft far (far) outweighs
your opinion on this subject.

I am confident that others won't
share your opinions when they are looking
for solutions (tangible solutions).

You are welcome to wallow in your intelligence.
But it would be prudent to do so under your
own sub thread....

- db
 
G

Guest

you're welcome.

others that i have used with confidence
are Eusing and RegSeeker.

you may find the above helpful
as well as interesting....

g.l.
 
G

Guest

I run "msconfig" regularly -- that's the first place I go when my computer
gets slow, and I have my Norton AV , keyboard, mouse, systray & the only
other program I have starting is Office. I currently have the Realtek audio
file starting, but I'm going to uncheck that one and see if it makes any
difference.

I have in the past searched for all my temp files using *tmp and then
deleting them. I never had a problem when I did this on Win 98, but haven't
done it in XP. Is there any reason why I need the temp files -- if not, I'll
search for them and delete them.

Thanks for your help.
N Glenn
 
D

Daave

nkg554 said:
My computer running XP is slow to boot up and I noticed I have several
registry entries for programs that I have uninstalled from the "Add &
Remove
Programs" in control panel. Would it help to delete these registry
entries?
I have emptied my temp internet folder, deleted the cookies, defraged
the
drive and it is still slow. Any suggestions?

How long does it take boot up?

Once booted up, is it still slow?

As others have said, orphanned registry entries will have *very* little,
if any, impact on boot time or performance.

Here's a good resource on speeding up a sluggish PC:

http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/slowcom.htm
 
G

Guest

It's taking 7-8 minutes to boot up. I have the blue "welcome" screen on for
over 5 minutes. After boot up it seems to run fairly fast. I've never had
the welcome screen on for this long until recently.

Thanks for your help.
N Glenn
 
B

Bruce Chambers

´¯`·.. > said:
:)

innocent by-standers having pc
issues because of a corrupted registry
were no more that wounded prey whereas
person's like yourself including several MVP use
to gang up for the kill, like rabid wolves.


Ah! Name-calling! Always an effective technique when one lacks any
rational arguments.

Fortunately my experience and the backing
of Microsoft far (far) outweighs
your opinion on this subject.


Your personal experience on you personal computer is meaningless when
stacked up against the several years of professional IT experience
myself and the many others who warn against the use of registry
cleaners. The backing of a vendor with a vested interest in selling the
product is of *NO* value is determining the worth of said product.

I am confident that others won't
share your opinions when they are looking
for solutions (tangible solutions).


Then you clearly have not been reading very many of the posts on this
subject. I'd be very surprised if you found as many as than 1 in 10
that actually supports the use of registry cleaners.

You are welcome to wallow in your intelligence.
But it would be prudent to do so under your
own sub thread....

I see you're still refusing to provide any independent laboratory
reports to support your position. When can we expect you to back up
your assertions?


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:



They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell
 
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i wasn't name calling

if i were i would have called
you a "trolling antagonist"....

for now, the views provided by the makers
of the o.s. are much more legitimate than
your delusional ones:

http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm

however, since you want us to believe
you have all this expertise and therefore
can argue with the makers of the o.s. you profess
to be an expert of then you should take your
delusional resume of immense experiences to Microsoft.

but it is highly unlikely that you would
qualify as an expert of windows to them
as you have never been able to convince me
as well.

you need to learn to create your own sub threads and provide
solutions that have the wealth of your expertise instead
of antagonizing the other sub threads. Unfortunately,

"YOU SIMPLY DON'T GET IT"
 
D

Daave

nkg554 said:
It's taking 7-8 minutes to boot up. I have the blue "welcome" screen
on for over 5 minutes. After boot up it seems to run fairly fast.
I've never had the welcome screen on for this long until recently.

The good news is only the bootup is slow. This is something you can live
with indefinitely.

That being said, if it were my PC, I would also want to figure out what
the cause of this extended bootup is. How long did it take to boot up in
the past? What events happened recently which likely caused this change?
Describe the "welcome screen." What is the make and model of your PC?
Does booting up in Safe Mode take any longer than it used to? You
mentioned Norton in another post. Norton is notorious for hogging
resources and slowing up PCs. You may want to uninstall it and use a
lighter anti-virus program in its place (the following are all free):

AVG
http://free.grisoft.com/freeweb.php/doc/2/

avast!
http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_4_home.html

AntiVir
http://www.free-av.com/

Finally, checking the health of your hard drive is worth doing, as well.
 
M

Malke

Ah! Name-calling! Always an effective technique when one lacks any
rational arguments.
Your personal experience on you personal computer is meaningless
when stacked up against the several years of professional IT experience
myself and the many others who warn against the use of registry
cleaners. The backing of a vendor with a vested interest in selling the
product is of *NO* value is determining the worth of said product.
Then you clearly have not been reading very many of the posts on
this subject. I'd be very surprised if you found as many as than 1 in
10 that actually supports the use of registry cleaners.
I see you're still refusing to provide any independent laboratory
reports to support your position. When can we expect you to back up
your assertions?

Hey, Bruce - You can't argue with this character. He changes his posting
name thinking we won't recognize him but he's the same "Database Ben"
and "DB" who can't even figure out how to set a proper line length. He
knows a little bit about computers but mostly gives really bad advice.
He's just a troll so don't bother feeding him.

Best regards,


Malke
 

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