Regaining the lost utilities in the Accessory area in program files

R

Roy

A few days ago a nephew of mine installed the powerDVD on his WinXP
run pC. He placed the ware in the Accesories , therefore it displaced
the utilities associated with it.
I tried using system restore but it did not work.
Is there a bettter way to regain the utilities in the Accessories...?
Supposing you instal a software , occasionally it selects among the
already existing area as the slot for the new software installation.
Is there a way to prevent that, and hence make the software
beinstalled in a slot unique to it say by expanding the all program
files?
 
P

Pegasus [MVP]

Roy said:
A few days ago a nephew of mine installed the powerDVD on his WinXP
run pC. He placed the ware in the Accesories , therefore it displaced
the utilities associated with it.
I tried using system restore but it did not work.
Is there a bettter way to regain the utilities in the Accessories...?
Supposing you instal a software , occasionally it selects among the
already existing area as the slot for the new software installation.
Is there a way to prevent that, and hence make the software
beinstalled in a slot unique to it say by expanding the all program
files?

Good installation programs let you select where the code should go. Bad
programs just drop it somewhere.

The power DVD software did not "displace" existing software. If the file
names were the same then it probably overwrote it. If they were different
then you now have the files side by side. What are you actually missing?
 
L

Lem

Roy said:
A few days ago a nephew of mine installed the powerDVD on his WinXP
run pC. He placed the ware in the Accesories , therefore it displaced
the utilities associated with it.
I tried using system restore but it did not work.
Is there a bettter way to regain the utilities in the Accessories...?
Supposing you instal a software , occasionally it selects among the
already existing area as the slot for the new software installation.
Is there a way to prevent that, and hence make the software
beinstalled in a slot unique to it say by expanding the all program
files?

"PowerDVD" appears to be an application for playing movies. Do you
perhaps mean that you want some former movie playing software to be the
default instead?

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R

Roy

Good installation programs let you select where the code should go. Bad
programs just drop it somewhere.

The power DVD software did not "displace" existing software. If the file
names were the same then it probably overwrote it. If they were different
then you now have the files side by side. What are you actually missing?

Thanks for your input!
The paint function was gone....
 
R

Roy

"PowerDVD" appears to be an application for playing movies.  Do you
perhaps mean that you want some former movie playing software to be the
default instead?

Hmm...
It was no really the concern for that PC to have a default player. The
actual problem was
the installation of that PowerDVd displaced some utilties in the
Accessory area where it used to have other functionalities previously.
I just find it peculiar how come the installation of a certain
software tends to create that displacement that can't be regained
by system restore.......?
 
P

Pegasus [MVP]

Good installation programs let you select where the code should go. Bad
programs just drop it somewhere.

The power DVD software did not "displace" existing software. If the file
names were the same then it probably overwrote it. If they were different
then you now have the files side by side. What are you actually missing?

Thanks for your input!
The paint function was gone....

==========

Did you lose the "Paint" shortcut or the underlying executable? I suspect
you lost the shortcut, which you can easily recreate by pointing it at
c:\windows\system32\mspaint.exe.
 
R

Roy

Thanks for your input!
The paint function was gone....

==========

Did you lose the "Paint" shortcut or the underlying executable? I suspect
you lost the shortcut, which you can easily recreate by pointing it at
c:\windows\system32\mspaint.exe.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hmm..yeah,,, that was my nephew concern....thanks for that input, I
will relay that information to him...
Hoping that's only the one that concerns him..
BTW, supposing other listed functionalities in the accesory area was
gone, is there a way to regain that also.
Do I have to follow that C:\windows\system32...... followed by the
function...?
 
J

Jose

Hmm..yeah,,, that was my nephew concern....thanks for that input, I
will relay that information to him...
Hoping that's only the one that concerns him..
BTW, supposing other listed functionalities in the accesory area was
gone, is there a way to regain that also.
Do I have to follow that C:\windows\system32...... followed by the
function...?

Did I miss a post where you actually said what was missing or is it
still just "some utilities" and "listed functionalities" that are
displaced?

If you can name one shortcut that is missing from Accessories, you can
learn how to replace it and then apply the knowledge to any others.

I would not consider a System Restore at this time.

Jose
 
R

Roy

Hmm..yeah,,, that was my nephew concern....thanks for that input, I
will relay that information to him...
Hoping that's only the one that concerns him..
BTW, supposing other listed functionalities in the accesory area was
gone, is there a way to regain that also.
Do I have to follow that C:\windows\system32...... followed by the
function...?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well he was pleased with it( my nephew) and checked it myself, yes
even if he can go to paint by using
C:\windows\system 32\mspaint.exe but can't get it done by right
clicking and create shortcut which he want to place in the start up>
program files> accessories directory....
Can somebody explain this thing more....?
 
P

Pegasus [MVP]

Hmm..yeah,,, that was my nephew concern....thanks for that input, I
will relay that information to him...
Hoping that's only the one that concerns him..
BTW, supposing other listed functionalities in the accesory area was
gone, is there a way to regain that also.
Do I have to follow that C:\windows\system32...... followed by the
function...?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well he was pleased with it( my nephew) and checked it myself, yes
even if he can go to paint by using
C:\windows\system 32\mspaint.exe but can't get it done by right
clicking and create shortcut which he want to place in the start up>
program files> accessories directory....
Can somebody explain this thing more....?

=============

I always gulp when posters report things such as "can't get it done". They
assume that respondents have the wonderful ability to see their screen and
know precisely *why* it can't be done. Unfortunately this is not so and my
crystal ball is very cloudy this morning. Need to send it in for a cut and
polish. In the meantime your nephew might report precisely what happens when
he tries to create the shortcut.
 
R

Roy

Well he was pleased with it( my nephew) and checked it myself, yes
even if he can go to paint by using
C:\windows\system 32\mspaint.exe but can't get it done by right
clicking and create shortcut which he want to place in the start up>
program files> accessories directory....
Can somebody explain this thing more....?

=============

I always gulp when posters report things such as "can't get it done". They
assume that respondents have the wonderful ability to see their screen and
know precisely *why* it can't be done. Unfortunately this is not so and my
crystal ball is very cloudy this morning. Need to send it in for a cut and
polish. In the meantime your nephew might report precisely what happens when
he tries to create the shortcut.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

sorry.....<grinning sheepishly> sometimes kids have different way of
speaking that we adults have some difficulty of comprehending the
real meaning.

What he mean is he want to regain the shortcut for the paint utility
in the accessory directory...
He want to know what to do......
Hmmm expecting a clearer view from you crystal ball?

........grin....
 
T

Tim Meddick

I don't know why he can't "Create Shortcut" but if he finds it difficult to
make one in the Accessories folder, then try creating them on the desktop
and moving them to the Accessories 'folder' (The Accessories in the 'Start
Menu' corresponds to a folder of the same name on your hard-drive:-
C:\Documents and Settings\USERNAME\Start Menu\Programs\Accessories). The
shortcuts that are there by default and their targets are as follows:



Accessories Shortcuts
---------------------

LinkName: Address Book.lnk
Target: C:\Program Files\Outlook Express\wab.exe

LinkName: Calculator.lnk
Target: C:\WINDOWS\system32\calc.exe

LinkName: Command Prompt.lnk
Target: C:\WINDOWS\system32\cmd.exe

LinkName: Notepad.lnk
Target: C:\WINDOWS\system32\notepad.exe

LinkName: Paint.lnk
Target: C:\WINDOWS\system32\mspaint.exe

LinkName: Remote Desktop Connection.lnk
Target: C:\WINDOWS\system32\mstsc.exe

LinkName: Synchronize.lnk
Target: C:\WINDOWS\system32\mobsync.exe

LinkName: Tour Windows XP.lnk
Target: C:\WINDOWS\system32\tourstart.exe

LinkName: Windows Explorer.lnk
Target: C:\WINDOWS\explorer.exe

LinkName: WordPad.lnk
Target: C:\Program Files\Windows NT\Accessories\wordpad.exe


==



Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)


Well he was pleased with it( my nephew) and checked it myself, yes
even if he can go to paint by using
C:\windows\system 32\mspaint.exe but can't get it done by right
clicking and create shortcut which he want to place in the start up>
program files> accessories directory....
Can somebody explain this thing more....?

=============

I always gulp when posters report things such as "can't get it done". They
assume that respondents have the wonderful ability to see their screen and
know precisely *why* it can't be done. Unfortunately this is not so and my
crystal ball is very cloudy this morning. Need to send it in for a cut and
polish. In the meantime your nephew might report precisely what happens
when
he tries to create the shortcut.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

sorry.....<grinning sheepishly> sometimes kids have different way of
speaking that we adults have some difficulty of comprehending the
real meaning.

What he mean is he want to regain the shortcut for the paint utility
in the accessory directory...
He want to know what to do......
Hmmm expecting a clearer view from you crystal ball?

........grin....
 
R

Roy

I don't know why he can't "Create Shortcut" but if he finds it difficult to
make one in the Accessories folder, then try creating them on the desktop
and moving them to the Accessories 'folder' (The Accessories in the 'Start
Menu' corresponds to a folder of the same name on your hard-drive:-
C:\Documents and Settings\USERNAME\Start Menu\Programs\Accessories).  The
shortcuts that are there by default and their targets are as follows:

Accessories Shortcuts
---------------------

LinkName: Address Book.lnk
Target: C:\Program Files\Outlook Express\wab.exe

LinkName: Calculator.lnk
Target: C:\WINDOWS\system32\calc.exe

LinkName: Command Prompt.lnk
Target: C:\WINDOWS\system32\cmd.exe

LinkName: Notepad.lnk
Target: C:\WINDOWS\system32\notepad.exe

LinkName: Paint.lnk
Target: C:\WINDOWS\system32\mspaint.exe

LinkName: Remote Desktop Connection.lnk
Target: C:\WINDOWS\system32\mstsc.exe

LinkName: Synchronize.lnk
Target: C:\WINDOWS\system32\mobsync.exe

LinkName: Tour Windows XP.lnk
Target: C:\WINDOWS\system32\tourstart.exe

LinkName: Windows Explorer.lnk
Target: C:\WINDOWS\explorer.exe

LinkName: WordPad.lnk
Target: C:\Program Files\Windows NT\Accessories\wordpad.exe

==

Cheers,    Tim Meddick,    Peckham, London.    :)







sorry.....<grinning sheepishly> sometimes kids have different way of
speaking  that we adults have some difficulty of comprehending the
real meaning.

What he mean is he want to regain the shortcut  for the paint utility
in the accessory directory...
He want to know what to do......
Hmmm expecting a clearer view from you crystal ball?

.......grin....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Great!.....
Thanks for that information....!
 
J

Jose

sorry.....<grinning sheepishly> sometimes kids have different way of
speaking  that we adults have some difficulty of comprehending the
real meaning.

What he mean is he want to regain the shortcut  for the paint utility
in the accessory directory...
He want to know what to do......
Hmmm expecting a clearer view from you crystal ball?

.......grin....

Everything you see in the Start Menu on up (or down) is just a folder
or a shortcut to a program.

Let's look at Start, Programs, Accessories.

When you first install Windows, a folder gets created here: C:
\Documents and Settings\All Users.WINDOWS\Start Menu\Programs
\Accessories. Everyone user will see at least these items when they
log in. Browse to this folder and take a look.

Is that folder are more folders and shortcuts to programs that are in
c:\windows\system32 (paint.exe for example). The executables are not
there, just some more folders and shortcuts (or links if you will)

When you create a new user, they get a copy just for them under: C:
\Documents and Settings\<user name>\Start Menu\Programs\Accessories.
That folder will contain some, but not all of the stuff from the All
Users folder. Browse to this folder and take a look.

When this user goes to Start, Programs, Accessories he will be
presented with some combination of both folders (without duplicates).

When you install a program it sometimes asks you do you want to make
it available to all users or just you. Depending on your answer, the
installation will put it in an an All Users folder or the appropriate
folder for the installer.

When somebody else logs in, they will have their own Start, Programs,
Accessories folder resembling the one for All Users. Everybody has
their own, but they all start from All Users as the base.

If you want to create a new shortcut or link, you just need to create
it in correct folder - do you want everyone to see it? Put it in the
All Users Accessories folder. All users will see it and all newly
created users will see it.

Do you only want a specific user to see it? Put it in the Accessories
folder that belongs to them.

If your user is missing stuff from Accessories it may still be in the
All Users section, so you can copy and paste. Or you can get into the
user folder and just create a new shortcut to a special program (or
folder) just for that user. It is all up to you.

There is no need to add the extra step of creating a shortcut on the
desktop or your hard drive, copying it, pasting it then deleting the
now useless shortcut. The stuff is already there, you just need to
find it and put it where you want.

I don't know of a way to create a new shortcut to a missing program
from going through Start, Programs, Accessories. You can certainly
delete shortcuts, but they will only delete them for that user and if
the are Windows built in Accessories they will still be in the All
User folder.

This concept applies to everything you see from the Start menu no
matter how far down you drill, it is still just a folder somewhere.

Now if you would have originally said "When my nephew logs in and
looks in Start, Programs, Accessories, somehow the Paint option is
missing (or whatever is missing). How do I restore the missing
options to his choices in Accessories?" I asked several time for a
specific example...

You could have fixed this in one 5 minutes reply instead of a dozen.

Jose
 
T

Tim Meddick

Roy (& Nephew),
I do apologise. What 'Jose' says is perfectly
true. For All Users to "see" the shortcuts, the folder they should be
placed in is:

"C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\Accessories"

....rather than what I before stated as the folder:

"C:\Documents and Settings\%USERNAME%\Start Menu\Programs\Accessories"

...if placed in this last folder, then the shortcuts created would only be
visible to THAT "User".

I am sorry for getting that wrong, but we all live and learn, don't we?

As for the rest of the list of targets - they are correct. Hope this was of
some help to you in the end.


==


Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)
 
J

Jose

Roy (& Nephew),
                            I do apologise.  What 'Jose' says is perfectly
true.  For All Users to "see" the shortcuts, the folder they should be
placed in is:

"C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\Accessories"

...rather than what I before stated as the folder:

"C:\Documents and Settings\%USERNAME%\Start Menu\Programs\Accessories"

..if placed in this last folder, then the shortcuts created would only be
visible to THAT "User".

I am sorry for getting that wrong, but we all live and learn, don't we?

As for the rest of the list of targets - they are correct.  Hope this was of
some help to you in the end.

==

Cheers,    Tim Meddick,    Peckham, London.    :)

So, are you all fixed up now?

Jose
 
P

Pegasus [MVP]

<snip>

When somebody else logs in, they will have their own Start, Programs,
Accessories folder resembling the one for All Users. Everybody has
their own, but they all start from All Users as the base.

===============

Mmh, not quite. When somebody else logs in then they will get a full *copy*
of the "Default User" profile folder as a base. On top of that they will
*see* every item that is currently stored in the "All Users" profile folder.
This is important to know when building up a standard profile for new users.
 
J

Jose

<snip>

When somebody else logs in, they will have their own Start, Programs,
Accessories folder resembling the one for All Users.  Everybody has
their own, but they all start from All Users as the base.

===============

Mmh, not quite. When somebody else logs in then they will get a full *copy*
of the "Default User" profile folder as a base. On top of that they will
*see* every item that is currently stored in the "All Users" profile folder.
This is important to know when building up a standard profile for new users.

Acknolwedged.

I don't think the OP is too worried about building new user profiles.

I know you guys are all fixed up - I was asking him!

Jose
 
R

Roy

So, are you all fixed up now?

Jose- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

This is strange according to that PC
Windows cannot find the C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu
\Programs\Accessories.
I have checked the spelling and its okay but how come there is a hitch?
 
R

Richard

Roy said:
A few days ago a nephew of mine installed the powerDVD on his WinXP
run pC. He placed the ware in the Accesories , therefore it displaced
the utilities associated with it.
I tried using system restore but it did not work.
Is there a bettter way to regain the utilities in the Accessories...?
Supposing you instal a software , occasionally it selects among the
already existing area as the slot for the new software installation.
Is there a way to prevent that, and hence make the software
beinstalled in a slot unique to it say by expanding the all program
files?

Apparently, from this and later messages, you are talking about missing
Start Menu shortcuts.
(See also Jose's 5/18/2009 4:02PDT message)

Did you or your nephew log-on under a different user name?

To locate your Accessories folders:
click Start
click Search
click for Find Files and Folders
(In the left panel, you may have to choose Files and Folders again.)
In the search box, type the word: Accessories
press Enter
In the right panel you should see several folders called Accessories.
A few of the "Accessories" folders on my system are:
C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Start Menu\Programs\Accessories
C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\Accessories
C:\Documents and Settings\Richard\Start Menu\Programs\Accessories

Links in the All Users...Accessories folder, (like Paint,) can also be
seen on my Start Menu when logged on as Richard. Links ONLY in the
Richard...Accessories folder, (like Richard's Diary,) can NOT be seen by
other users on their Start Menu. Check all your "Accessories" folders -
the missing shortcuts are probably around somewhere.

BTW: (By The Way) System Restore restores the system, not applications
or personal data.
Cheers! --Richard
 

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