Recycle Bin

[Guest]

OBSERVATION: more than 1 user (administrator level) account on the same pc.
Account 1 sends a file to the recycle bin. Account 2 recycle bin appears
empty and the file that is in user 1 recycle bin is not found when a search
(hidden, etc.) is conducted.

POTENTIAL PROBLEMS: security is an issue in so far as account 1 could "hide"
a file from another account. (2) disk space manageability becomes more
difficult as the size of the recycle bin is set higher and the files sent
there are large

RESOLUTION: None. scanned MS knowledgebase with little to no result. The
closest info from MS implies that there is a common folder on the pc labeled
"recycler" or 'recycled", but this is for a different OS than XP.

Any explanation would be appreciated...

 

[Wesley Vogel]

"recycler" or 'recycled" both apply to XP.

Each hard disk or partition contains a hidden folder named Recycler. The
Recycler folder is used only on NTFS partitions. On FAT32 the RECYCLED
folder is used. The Recycler folder contains a Recycle Bin for each user
that logs on to the computer, sorted by their security identifier (SID).

If formatted NTFS...

If there is only one user, then there is only one
SID # folder. That SID # folder is the Recycle Bin.

Security identifiers (SIDs) are numeric values that identify a user or
group.

%systemdrive%\RECYCLER\Your SID # is YOUR Recycle Bin.

This is MY SID #
S-1-5-21-1708537768-15xx36667-1202660629-1003

This is MY Recycle Bin
C:\RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-1708537768-15xx36667-1202660629-1003

If there is more than one user, there will be more than one
SID # folder under %systemdrive%\RECYCLER.

If formatted FAT32, I do not believe that there are different Recycle Bins
for different users.

POTENTIAL PROBLEMS: security is an issue in so far as account 1 could
"hide" a file from another account. (2) disk space manageability becomes
more difficult as the size of the recycle bin is set higher and the files
sent there are large

Then empty the SOB.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In

 

[Guest]

Thank you Wesley. I will follow your suggestion and take a look.
--
sure dont know what I''m going for...
but I''m gonna go for it for sure...

"recycler" or 'recycled" both apply to XP.

Each hard disk or partition contains a hidden folder named Recycler. The
Recycler folder is used only on NTFS partitions. On FAT32 the RECYCLED
folder is used. The Recycler folder contains a Recycle Bin for each user
that logs on to the computer, sorted by their security identifier (SID).

If formatted NTFS...

If there is only one user, then there is only one
SID # folder. That SID # folder is the Recycle Bin.

Security identifiers (SIDs) are numeric values that identify a user or
group.

%systemdrive%\RECYCLER\Your SID # is YOUR Recycle Bin.

This is MY SID #
S-1-5-21-1708537768-15xx36667-1202660629-1003

This is MY Recycle Bin
C:\RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-1708537768-15xx36667-1202660629-1003

If there is more than one user, there will be more than one
SID # folder under %systemdrive%\RECYCLER.

If formatted FAT32, I do not believe that there are different Recycle Bins
for different users.

POTENTIAL PROBLEMS: security is an issue in so far as account 1 could
"hide" a file from another account. (2) disk space manageability becomes
more difficult as the size of the recycle bin is set higher and the files
sent there are large

Then empty the SOB.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In

 

[Wesley Vogel]

To see how your hard drive is formatted, open My Computer.
Right click your hard drive and select Properties.
On the General tab to the right of File system it will indicate how the
drive is formatted.

File system...
[[Displays the file system for this drive:
* CDFS is a compact-disc file system.
* FAT (file allocation table) is a file system used by MS-DOS, OS/2, Windows
3.1, Windows for Workgroups, and Windows 95 or later. Windows NT, Windows
2000, and this version of Windows can also use the FAT file system.
* FAT32 is used by Windows 95 OEM Service Release 2, Windows 98, Windows
2000, and this version of Windows only.
* NTFS is an advanced file system recognized by Windows NT, Windows 2000,
and this version of Windows only.
* UDF (Universal Disk Format) is a DVD/compact-disc file system.]]

Paste the following line into Start | Run and click OK...

%systemdrive%\RECYCLER

Does a folder open or do you get an error message?

Paste the following line into Start | Run and click OK...

%systemdrive%\RECYCLED

Does a folder open or do you get an error message?

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In

 

[Guest]

Wesley, I have some "contradictory news" to report. You are correct that the
recycler folder (I have xp sp 2 ntfs partition) has a sysid apparently for
each user account. HOWEVER, the issue as I previously reported remains true.
Specifically, if user 1 deletes a file and it is sent to the recycle bin,
when user 2 (admin level) views each and every entry in the recycler folder,
the deleted file DOES NOT appear! Try it yourself.... Hal
--
sure dont know what I''m going for...
but I''m gonna go for it for sure...

To see how your hard drive is formatted, open My Computer.
Right click your hard drive and select Properties.
On the General tab to the right of File system it will indicate how the
drive is formatted.

File system...
[[Displays the file system for this drive:
* CDFS is a compact-disc file system.
* FAT (file allocation table) is a file system used by MS-DOS, OS/2, Windows
3.1, Windows for Workgroups, and Windows 95 or later. Windows NT, Windows
2000, and this version of Windows can also use the FAT file system.
* FAT32 is used by Windows 95 OEM Service Release 2, Windows 98, Windows
2000, and this version of Windows only.
* NTFS is an advanced file system recognized by Windows NT, Windows 2000,
and this version of Windows only.
* UDF (Universal Disk Format) is a DVD/compact-disc file system.]]

Paste the following line into Start | Run and click OK...

%systemdrive%\RECYCLER

Does a folder open or do you get an error message?

Paste the following line into Start | Run and click OK...

%systemdrive%\RECYCLED

Does a folder open or do you get an error message?

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In

 

[Wesley Vogel]

Look in the SID# folder.

The only thing in my C:\RECYCLER folder is the
S-1-5-21-1708537768-15xx36667-1202660629-1003 folder.

The S-1-5-21-1708537768-15xx36667-1202660629-1003 folder has the deleted, in
my case, item. Just one.

--------
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\>
C:\>
C:\>cd RECYCLER

C:\RECYCLER>
C:\RECYCLER>
C:\RECYCLER>dir
Volume in drive C is Local Disk
Volume Serial Number is 901E-9F82

Directory of C:\RECYCLER

File Not Found

C:\RECYCLER>
C:\RECYCLER>
C:\RECYCLER>cd S-1-5-21-1708537768-1580436667-1202660629-1003

C:\RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-1708537768-1580436667-1202660629-1003>
C:\RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-1708537768-1580436667-1202660629-1003>
C:\RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-1708537768-1580436667-1202660629-1003>dir
Volume in drive C is Local Disk
Volume Serial Number is 901E-9F82

Directory of C:\RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-1708537768-1580436667-1202660629-1003

07-Feb-07 06:21 PM 0 Dc10.txt
1 File(s) 0 bytes
0 Dir(s) 1,834,209,280 bytes free
--------

Dc10.txt is the deleted item.
It is zero (0) bytes in size.
D for Deleted.
C for the C: drive.
10 for the eleventh deleted item (starts numering @ 0), probably since I
booted the machine this morning.
And TXT because the Deleted item's actual file name was New Text
Document.txt.

C:\RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-1708537768-1580436667-1202660629-1003\INFO2 says this:

C:\Documents and Settings\Wesley P. Vogel\Desktop\New Text Document.txt
C : \ D o c u m e n t s a n d S e t t i n g s \ W e s l e y P . V o
g e l \ D e s k t o p \ N e w T e x t D o c u m e n t . t x t

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In

Wesley, I have some "contradictory news" to report. You are correct that
the recycler folder (I have xp sp 2 ntfs partition) has a sysid
apparently for each user account. HOWEVER, the issue as I previously
reported remains true. Specifically, if user 1 deletes a file and it is
sent to the recycle bin, when user 2 (admin level) views each and every
entry in the recycler folder, the deleted file DOES NOT appear! Try it
yourself.... Hal --
sure dont know what I''m going for...
but I''m gonna go for it for sure...

To see how your hard drive is formatted, open My Computer.
Right click your hard drive and select Properties.
On the General tab to the right of File system it will indicate how the
drive is formatted.

File system...
[[Displays the file system for this drive:
* CDFS is a compact-disc file system.
* FAT (file allocation table) is a file system used by MS-DOS, OS/2,
Windows
3.1, Windows for Workgroups, and Windows 95 or later. Windows NT, Windows
2000, and this version of Windows can also use the FAT file system.
* FAT32 is used by Windows 95 OEM Service Release 2, Windows 98, Windows
2000, and this version of Windows only.
* NTFS is an advanced file system recognized by Windows NT, Windows 2000,
and this version of Windows only.
* UDF (Universal Disk Format) is a DVD/compact-disc file system.]]

Paste the following line into Start | Run and click OK...

%systemdrive%\RECYCLER

Does a folder open or do you get an error message?

Paste the following line into Start | Run and click OK...

%systemdrive%\RECYCLED

Does a folder open or do you get an error message?

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In

Thank you Wesley. I will follow your suggestion and take a look.
--
sure dont know what I''m going for...
but I''m gonna go for it for sure...


:

"recycler" or 'recycled" both apply to XP.

Each hard disk or partition contains a hidden folder named Recycler.
The Recycler folder is used only on NTFS partitions. On FAT32 the
RECYCLED folder is used. The Recycler folder contains a Recycle Bin
for each user that logs on to the computer, sorted by their security
identifier (SID).

If formatted NTFS...

If there is only one user, then there is only one
SID # folder. That SID # folder is the Recycle Bin.

Security identifiers (SIDs) are numeric values that identify a user or
group.

%systemdrive%\RECYCLER\Your SID # is YOUR Recycle Bin.

This is MY SID #
S-1-5-21-1708537768-15xx36667-1202660629-1003

This is MY Recycle Bin
C:\RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-1708537768-15xx36667-1202660629-1003

If there is more than one user, there will be more than one
SID # folder under %systemdrive%\RECYCLER.

If formatted FAT32, I do not believe that there are different Recycle
Bins for different users.

POTENTIAL PROBLEMS: security is an issue in so far as account 1 could
"hide" a file from another account. (2) disk space manageability
becomes more difficult as the size of the recycle bin is set higher
and the files sent there are large

Then empty the SOB.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In Grateful Hal <[email protected]> hunted and pecked:
OBSERVATION: more than 1 user (administrator level) account on the
same pc. Account 1 sends a file to the recycle bin. Account 2 recycle
bin appears empty and the file that is in user 1 recycle bin is not
found when a search (hidden, etc.) is conducted.

POTENTIAL PROBLEMS: security is an issue in so far as account 1 could
"hide" a file from another account. (2) disk space manageability
becomes more difficult as the size of the recycle bin is set higher
and the files sent there are large

RESOLUTION: None. scanned MS knowledgebase with little to no result.
The closest info from MS implies that there is a common folder on the
pc labeled "recycler" or 'recycled", but this is for a different OS
than XP.

Any explanation would be appreciated...

 

[Guest]

Wesley - thank you for your rather thourough answers to date. Please allow me
to pint out that I am using the GUI (explore) to view the

S-1-5-21-201885141-2959933888-1168621757-500
S-1-5-21-4027200389-1204246553-1136783688-1147
S-1-5-21-4027200389-1204246553-1136783688-1276
S-1-5-21-4027200389-1204246553-1136783688-2065

files that are resident on my machine. Files consist of pdf's, doc's, txt
and whole folders for that matter, but none of thios should make any
difference (IMO). Other criteria, such as size, modified date, original
location, etc are also identical.

Each of these folders contains the same deleted items as one another, even
though the GUI recycle bin as displayed on the desktop of each user account
contains different or no files at all. Again, all of this in a GUI
environment.


--
sure dont know what I''m going for...
but I''m gonna go for it for sure...

Look in the SID# folder.

The only thing in my C:\RECYCLER folder is the
S-1-5-21-1708537768-15xx36667-1202660629-1003 folder.

The S-1-5-21-1708537768-15xx36667-1202660629-1003 folder has the deleted, in
my case, item. Just one.

--------
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\>
C:\>
C:\>cd RECYCLER

C:\RECYCLER>
C:\RECYCLER>
C:\RECYCLER>dir
Volume in drive C is Local Disk
Volume Serial Number is 901E-9F82

Directory of C:\RECYCLER

File Not Found

C:\RECYCLER>
C:\RECYCLER>
C:\RECYCLER>cd S-1-5-21-1708537768-1580436667-1202660629-1003

C:\RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-1708537768-1580436667-1202660629-1003>
C:\RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-1708537768-1580436667-1202660629-1003>
C:\RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-1708537768-1580436667-1202660629-1003>dir
Volume in drive C is Local Disk
Volume Serial Number is 901E-9F82

Directory of C:\RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-1708537768-1580436667-1202660629-1003

07-Feb-07 06:21 PM 0 Dc10.txt
1 File(s) 0 bytes
0 Dir(s) 1,834,209,280 bytes free
--------

Dc10.txt is the deleted item.
It is zero (0) bytes in size.
D for Deleted.
C for the C: drive.
10 for the eleventh deleted item (starts numering @ 0), probably since I
booted the machine this morning.
And TXT because the Deleted item's actual file name was New Text
Document.txt.

C:\RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-1708537768-1580436667-1202660629-1003\INFO2 says this:

C:\Documents and Settings\Wesley P. Vogel\Desktop\New Text Document.txt
C : \ D o c u m e n t s a n d S e t t i n g s \ W e s l e y P . V o
g e l \ D e s k t o p \ N e w T e x t D o c u m e n t . t x t

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In

Wesley, I have some "contradictory news" to report. You are correct that
the recycler folder (I have xp sp 2 ntfs partition) has a sysid
apparently for each user account. HOWEVER, the issue as I previously
reported remains true. Specifically, if user 1 deletes a file and it is
sent to the recycle bin, when user 2 (admin level) views each and every
entry in the recycler folder, the deleted file DOES NOT appear! Try it
yourself.... Hal --
sure dont know what I''m going for...
but I''m gonna go for it for sure...

To see how your hard drive is formatted, open My Computer.
Right click your hard drive and select Properties.
On the General tab to the right of File system it will indicate how the
drive is formatted.

File system...
[[Displays the file system for this drive:
* CDFS is a compact-disc file system.
* FAT (file allocation table) is a file system used by MS-DOS, OS/2,
Windows
3.1, Windows for Workgroups, and Windows 95 or later. Windows NT, Windows
2000, and this version of Windows can also use the FAT file system.
* FAT32 is used by Windows 95 OEM Service Release 2, Windows 98, Windows
2000, and this version of Windows only.
* NTFS is an advanced file system recognized by Windows NT, Windows 2000,
and this version of Windows only.
* UDF (Universal Disk Format) is a DVD/compact-disc file system.]]

Paste the following line into Start | Run and click OK...

%systemdrive%\RECYCLER

Does a folder open or do you get an error message?

Paste the following line into Start | Run and click OK...

%systemdrive%\RECYCLED

Does a folder open or do you get an error message?

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In Grateful Hal <[email protected]> hunted and pecked:
Thank you Wesley. I will follow your suggestion and take a look.
--
sure dont know what I''m going for...
but I''m gonna go for it for sure...


:

"recycler" or 'recycled" both apply to XP.

Each hard disk or partition contains a hidden folder named Recycler.
The Recycler folder is used only on NTFS partitions. On FAT32 the
RECYCLED folder is used. The Recycler folder contains a Recycle Bin
for each user that logs on to the computer, sorted by their security
identifier (SID).

If formatted NTFS...

If there is only one user, then there is only one
SID # folder. That SID # folder is the Recycle Bin.

Security identifiers (SIDs) are numeric values that identify a user or
group.

%systemdrive%\RECYCLER\Your SID # is YOUR Recycle Bin.

This is MY SID #
S-1-5-21-1708537768-15xx36667-1202660629-1003

This is MY Recycle Bin
C:\RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-1708537768-15xx36667-1202660629-1003

If there is more than one user, there will be more than one
SID # folder under %systemdrive%\RECYCLER.

If formatted FAT32, I do not believe that there are different Recycle
Bins for different users.

POTENTIAL PROBLEMS: security is an issue in so far as account 1 could
"hide" a file from another account. (2) disk space manageability
becomes more difficult as the size of the recycle bin is set higher
and the files sent there are large

Then empty the SOB.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In Grateful Hal <[email protected]> hunted and pecked:
OBSERVATION: more than 1 user (administrator level) account on the
same pc. Account 1 sends a file to the recycle bin. Account 2 recycle
bin appears empty and the file that is in user 1 recycle bin is not
found when a search (hidden, etc.) is conducted.

POTENTIAL PROBLEMS: security is an issue in so far as account 1 could
"hide" a file from another account. (2) disk space manageability
becomes more difficult as the size of the recycle bin is set higher
and the files sent there are large

RESOLUTION: None. scanned MS knowledgebase with little to no result.
The closest info from MS implies that there is a common folder on the
pc labeled "recycler" or 'recycled", but this is for a different OS
than XP.

Any explanation would be appreciated...