REQUIRED Recycle Folder?

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Tecknomage

I recently discovered something.

Some history, my home system was originally Win98, FAT32 . I upgraded
to WinXP Pro then converted to NTFS using Partition Magic .

On my home (WinXP Pro SP3 ) system I have 3 folders pertaining to
Recycle (all system/hidden ):

* Recycle Bin (trash icon)
* Recycled (trash icon)
* Recycler (folder icon)

At work, were we have virgin DELL WinXP Pro SP3 systems and they ONLY
have the ** Recycler folder **.

So, my questions are:

1. Which Recycle folder dose WinXP REQUIRE?

2. Which of the above folders can I safely delete from my home
system?

3. It there something I should do BEFORE I delete them (other than
backup, which I already have )?
 
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Tim Meddick

Windows (NT versions) use a hidden folder named : C:\RECYCLER

Windows (9x / Me versions) use the hidden folder named : C:\RECYCLED

However, the CURRENT working "Recycle Bin" for any particular drive should
be hidden and only the icon named "Recycle Bin" with it's "empty" & "full"
icons, should be singularly visible on the desktop and in Windows Explorer
(also attached to the desktop).

Any folders named similarly that are visible or displayed without it's
"Recycle Bin" icon - can and should be deleted as it has become corrupted.

There is no harm in deleting individual RECYCLER or RECYCLED folders in the
ROOT of any drives, as Windows will simply re-instate them properly.


The only exception to this is if you have any files that you know exist in
the Recycle Bin that you also want to restore and keep.

In this case, turn on "Show Hidden Files and Folders" in "Folder Option"
control panel, and go to the ROOT of the drive that the files were deleted
from and click on the now shown RECYCLED or RECYCLER folder and on the
subfolders therein until you come across the files you want to restore.
They will not have the same names as they did before they entered the
Recycle Bin, so you will have to try to identify them by their size and
icons.

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)
 
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glee

Tecknomage said:
I recently discovered something.

Some history, my home system was originally Win98, FAT32 . I upgraded
to WinXP Pro then converted to NTFS using Partition Magic .

On my home (WinXP Pro SP3 ) system I have 3 folders pertaining to
Recycle (all system/hidden ):

* Recycle Bin (trash icon)
* Recycled (trash icon)
* Recycler (folder icon)

At work, were we have virgin DELL WinXP Pro SP3 systems and they ONLY
have the ** Recycler folder **.

So, my questions are:

1. Which Recycle folder dose WinXP REQUIRE?

2. Which of the above folders can I safely delete from my home
system?

3. It there something I should do BEFORE I delete them (other than
backup, which I already have )?

I already explained this in an earlier thread of yours. If you are
using the NTFS file system in XP, the NTFS partitions will have a hidden
folder named Recycler. You will only see it in Windows Explorer if you
have set your View settings to "Show hidden files and folders" and it
will have a folder icon.

The Recycled folder (also a hidden folder) with the trash icon exists on
FAT and FAT32 partitions *instead of* the Recycler folder. It exists on
FAT and FAT32 partitions in both XP and Win98.

The Recycle Bin with the trash icon exists on both file systems.

If you only have the NTFS partition and it has both the Recycler and the
Recycled folder, the Recycled folder is a leftover from before you
converted to NTFS, and can be deleted....it is not being used at all.
 
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glee

inline....
Tim Meddick said:
Windows (NT versions) use a hidden folder named : C:\RECYCLER

Windows (9x / Me versions) use the hidden folder named : C:\RECYCLED


Incorrect. It is a product of the file system being used, *not* of the
operating system being used.

Only partitions using the NTFS file system use a hidden folder named
Recycler. You won't find it on an NT OS that is using FAT32.

Partitions using the FAT32 file system use a hidden folder named
Recycled. Not only Win9x versions of Windows, but also NT versions that
are using FAT32.

You will have a Recycled folder on any FAT32 partiton in XP, and it will
also exist as a leftover on any partition that was converted from FAT32
to NTFS.

However, the CURRENT working "Recycle Bin" for any particular drive
should be hidden and only the icon named "Recycle Bin" with it's
"empty" & "full" icons, should be singularly visible on the desktop
and in Windows Explorer (also attached to the desktop).


The folders will be visible in Windows Explorer if "Show hidden files
and folders" is selected in Folder Options.

Any folders named similarly that are visible or displayed without it's
"Recycle Bin" icon - can and should be deleted as it has become
corrupted.


No. The Recycler folder on the NTFS file system in XP will always be
displayed with a folder icon in Explorer, not with a Bin icon, when
"Show hidden files abd folders" is enabled.
 
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Tim Meddick

Your comments are unwanted and unhelpful to the OP.

While most of the minor corrections you made on my post were, for the most
part, valid enough, they were not at all relevant to what the OP was simply
trying to achieve.

You could have made your comments a whole lot easier for the OP and others
to understand instead of giving, as it seemed to me, a near blitz of
verbose comments arranged into a "list of things this idiot [me] got wrong"
in order to show us all how knowledgeable you are.

There was NO humility to your words, they were tactless and if you look
through both my post and your "corrections" you will find that some of what
you amend I had already made mention of, elsewhere in my post.

And the fact that NT-based OSes running on FAT32 volumes also name the bin
"RECYCLED" rather than the "RECYCLER" answer I formerly gave - does
Win9x/ME use a folder named RECYCLED ?
Do NT-based Windows use a folder named RECYLER when using NTFS?
What proportion of all NT-based installations are there that use FAT32?
Did the OP already mention the fact that one or more of his "bin" folders
he could find were called "RECYLER" ?
How relevant or helpful do you really think your additions were?

The OP wanted to know what to do / what was safe to delete.

Your post added nothing further to answer those questions.

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)
 
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Tecknomage

Windows (NT versions) use a hidden folder named : C:\RECYCLER

Windows (9x / Me versions) use the hidden folder named : C:\RECYCLED

However, the CURRENT working "Recycle Bin" for any particular drive should
be hidden and only the icon named "Recycle Bin" with it's "empty" & "full"
icons, should be singularly visible on the desktop and in Windows Explorer
(also attached to the desktop).

Any folders named similarly that are visible or displayed without it's
"Recycle Bin" icon - can and should be deleted as it has become corrupted.

There is no harm in deleting individual RECYCLER or RECYCLED folders in the
ROOT of any drives, as Windows will simply re-instate them properly.


Delete "RECYCLER" ?!!!!

Note that this is the ONLY folder in *virgin WinXP* systems. This
would indicate that this is the one that should be kept.




The only exception to this is if you have any files that you know exist in
the Recycle Bin that you also want to restore and keep.

In this case, turn on "Show Hidden Files and Folders" in "Folder Option"
control panel, and go to the ROOT of the drive that the files were deleted
from and click on the now shown RECYCLED or RECYCLER folder and on the
subfolders therein until you come across the files you want to restore.

You should have noted that the folders I listed ARE system/hidden,
which means I do have so system/hidden enabled already.
 
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Tecknomage

I already explained this in an earlier thread of yours. If you are
using the NTFS file system in XP, the NTFS partitions will have a hidden
folder named Recycler. You will only see it in Windows Explorer if you
have set your View settings to "Show hidden files and folders" and it
will have a folder icon.

If you read my post carefully it states the folders in question ARE
system/hidden. So of course I DO have show system/hidden enabled
already.


The Recycled folder (also a hidden folder) with the trash icon exists on
FAT and FAT32 partitions *instead of* the Recycler folder. It exists on
FAT and FAT32 partitions in both XP and Win98.

The Recycle Bin with the trash icon exists on both file systems.

If you only have the NTFS partition and it has both the Recycler and the
Recycled folder, the Recycled folder is a leftover from before you
converted to NTFS, and can be deleted....it is not being used at all.

Thanks, I'm just looking for verification from more than one source.

ALSO: The reason for my NEW post was your original answer.
Specifically that the *virgin WinXP* (NTFS) systems do NOT have the
"Recycle Bin" nor "Recycled" folders.

Do I assume that the "Recycle Bin" folder can also be deleted?
 
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Tim Meddick

This is what I was trying to explain to "glee".

In his eagerness to pointing out the errors in my initial post; that is
that the folder names were related : RECYCLED to FAT32 versus RECYCLER to
NTFS when I forgot this and said that the different names were related to
different Windows versions (NT-based vs. Win9x/ME).

But that all this, I could see, was both besides the point and added
information that was superfluous to what was really needed.

If you delete the "Recycle Bin" [hidden] folder (being either recycled or
recycler, it doesn't make any difference here) from the root of any drive,
the result is that within a short period or on very next use, the system
will re-instate the Recycle Bin as it should be.

This is what I was suggesting that you should do in my initial post.

The only reason for any caution might be that you have a file or files
within the Recycle Bin that you'd want to restore back and keep. But if
the Recycle Bin was supposed to be empty, then there are no reasons against
it.

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)
 
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tecknode

Delete "RECYCLER" ?!!!!

Note that this is the ONLY folder in *virgin WinXP* systems. This
would indicate that this is the one that should be kept.






You should have noted that the folders I listed ARE system/hidden,
which means I do have so system/hidden enabled already.

I really appreciate all the answers posted to my question, but....

This is becoming even more confusing.

Note I do have show system/hidden enabled.

The *virgin WinXP* (NTFS) installs at work ONLY have the *Recycler*
(folder icon), NOT the other 2 folders.

This indicates to me that the *Recycler* folder is the one used
by WinXP.

I am trying to ask, does my home WinXP (NTFS) system REQUIRE either
*Recycle Bin* or *Recycled* folders?

IF they ARE required, why does the systems at work NOT have them.


I apologize for bugging everyone on this question, but I really would
like a definitive answer.

I have tried to find an answer via MS & Google, but none answer what
*folders* are used by the recycle function. All I can find is fixes
to recycle problems.
 
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MyNews

If you Delete All the recycle Xp will fixes the recycle problems by default.
Because it have to have a recycle Bin!

The word Bin is The Folder the you see!
We say Bin you say Folder all the same thing

To find an answer via MS & Google you have to Search for recycle Bin!
it not all a Folder
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recycle_Bin_(Windows) >
 
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Tim Meddick

This IS what I have been saying [diffinatively] from the start of this
thread!

( also - see post dated : Wednesday 29 December 2010 4:55 pm )

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)
 
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glee

Tecknomage said:
If you read my post carefully it states the folders in question ARE
system/hidden. So of course I DO have show system/hidden enabled
already.


I did read carefully, and I did NOT state you did not already have it
enabled. I simply stated the only way you'd normally see it is if it
was enabled.

Thanks, I'm just looking for verification from more than one source.

ALSO: The reason for my NEW post was your original answer.
Specifically that the *virgin WinXP* (NTFS) systems do NOT have the
"Recycle Bin" nor "Recycled" folders.

Do I assume that the "Recycle Bin" folder can also be deleted?

My original answer did NOT state that NTFS did not have the Recycle Bin.
Of course it does. It is shown in Explorer as "Recycle Bin" with the
Bin icon. It is NOT listed as a folder. The Recycler *folder* is
listed as a folder and is, like the Recycle Bin, found in a "virgin"
install using NTFS.

There is no reason or need to delete anything but the Recycled folder.
 
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glee

You speak for the OP now? Let him decide what is and is not helpful to
him. I was previously involved in a thread with him where this material
was discussed. He wanted to know where the different named folders came
from, as well as what to delete.

My corrections to you post may be minor to you, but it was
misinformation that I felt required correction, particularly in light of
my previous interaction on the subject with the OP. They are relevant
to what the OP asked in both this thread and in his earlier thread.

"near blitz of verbose comments"??
Oh please! My response to you totaled 11 brief sentences ...3 of which
consisted of one word each.

""list of things this idiot [me] got wrong in" order to show us all how
knowledgeable you are" ??
LOL! You've been on newsgroups how long? It seems to me a long time,
giving good help. Certainly you should be aware by now that in Usenet
if someone was trying to infer you were an idiot they would simply call
you an idiot.

As for me trying to show you all how knowledgeable I am, that's hardly
worth answering. I'm not here to play "I'm smarter than you" games. I
come here to help users where I can. When I see incorrect info, I
correct it. Likewise, when my info is incorrect, I expect someone to
point it out, and indeed they have on many occasions, often in far less
cordial terms than I used. I said nothing in my reply to you that
warrants your reaction. Apparently being told you were incorrect on the
points I raised is the sole reason for your ire. That's too bad for
you....I use corrections given to me as a learning opportunity. Are you
here to "look smart"?

I did look through your post a few times before I responded, and you did
not make mention of anything I corrected, later in the post . If you
look more closely at my reply, I agreed with you on your last point,
where I made the "verbose blitz" response of "True"

I'm not sure why you added all these questions (below) at the end of
your reply...do you really need them answered?
And the fact that NT-based OSes running on FAT32 volumes also name the
bin "RECYCLED" rather than the "RECYCLER" answer I formerly gave -
does Win9x/ME use a folder named RECYCLED ?

Yes, it does....because it uses the FAT or FAT32 file system, not
because it is a Win9x OS.
Do NT-based Windows use a folder named RECYLER when using NTFS?

No, they use a folder named Recycler, when using the NTFS file system.
I assume this was a typo on your part.
What proportion of all NT-based installations are there that use
FAT32?

I'm not going to start looking up statistics, if they even exist.
Windows XP, which is what we are referring to in this group, was
installed with FAT32 quite a bit when it was first released, by some
OEMs and by small shops, as well as by "enthusiasts" who did not trust
NTFS. In fact up until some time in 2005, ACER (which also owns Gateway
and eMachines) was using FAT32 on all their XP laptops.
Did the OP already mention the fact that one or more of his "bin"
folders he could find were called "RECYLER" ?

Again, I assume this is a typo. The OP stated he had Recycler and
Recycled folders. I already know from a previous thread of his that he
is trying to determine not only what is not being used on his system,
but also where they all came from.
How relevant or helpful do you really think your additions were?

Very.

Lighten up, Tim....you are finding insult where none exists.
--
Glen Ventura
MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
CompTIA A+
http://dts-l.net/


Tim Meddick said:
Your comments are unwanted and unhelpful to the OP.

While most of the minor corrections you made on my post were, for the
most part, valid enough, they were not at all relevant to what the OP
was simply trying to achieve.

You could have made your comments a whole lot easier for the OP and
others to understand instead of giving, as it seemed to me, a near
blitz of verbose comments arranged into a "list of things this idiot
[me] got wrong" in order to show us all how knowledgeable you are.

There was NO humility to your words, they were tactless and if you
look through both my post and your "corrections" you will find that
some of what you amend I had already made mention of, elsewhere in my
post.

And the fact that NT-based OSes running on FAT32 volumes also name the
bin "RECYCLED" rather than the "RECYCLER" answer I formerly gave -
does Win9x/ME use a folder named RECYCLED ?
Do NT-based Windows use a folder named RECYLER when using NTFS?
What proportion of all NT-based installations are there that use
FAT32?
Did the OP already mention the fact that one or more of his "bin"
folders he could find were called "RECYLER" ?
How relevant or helpful do you really think your additions were?

The OP wanted to know what to do / what was safe to delete.

Your post added nothing further to answer those questions.





glee said:
inline....



Incorrect. It is a product of the file system being used, *not* of
the operating system being used.

Only partitions using the NTFS file system use a hidden folder named
Recycler. You won't find it on an NT OS that is using FAT32.

Partitions using the FAT32 file system use a hidden folder named
Recycled. Not only Win9x versions of Windows, but also NT versions
that are using FAT32.

You will have a Recycled folder on any FAT32 partiton in XP, and it
will also exist as a leftover on any partition that was converted
from FAT32 to NTFS.




The folders will be visible in Windows Explorer if "Show hidden files
and folders" is selected in Folder Options.




No. The Recycler folder on the NTFS file system in XP will always be
displayed with a folder icon in Explorer, not with a Bin icon, when
"Show hidden files abd folders" is enabled.
 
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Tim Meddick

If you are not playing "I'm smarter than you games" as you say, what is
the point of your reply if not to defend your hyper-critical position?

Why don't you just STFU about your right to criticize and just be big
enough to allow me mine!

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)
 
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glee

Tim Meddick said:
If you are not playing "I'm smarter than you games" as you say, what
is the point of your reply if not to defend your hyper-critical
position?

Why don't you just STFU about your right to criticize and just be big
enough to allow me mine!

The point of my reply was to answer the off-the-wall accusations you
made, and to answer the questions you posed in your reply. Post
incorrect info, and someone is likely to correct it. Get over it. Grow
up.
 
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mm

If you read my post carefully it states the folders in question ARE
system/hidden. So of course I DO have show system/hidden enabled
already.

Is this a criticism of Glee's post? For not reading your post After
he went to the trouble to answer your question twice? carefully
enough! You should be thanking him for reading it at all. And good
posts, like his was, are written so that everyone can learn from them,
and they won't address only the OP's exact situation. If someone goes
to the trouble to reply to you, and gives inapplicable but accurate
information, just ignore it. You complained to Tim about the same
thing, that HE didnt' read your post closely enough. Don't be a prima
donna.

Glee's posts in this thread were good and gave me valuable
information. You raised a good topic, and I hadn't understood it
until Glee replied.
 

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