Ram\ Virtual Memory\ Toontown.

[Guest]

I am constantly playing Toontown, made by Disney. Just recently I have been
running out of Ram after an hour of play. I have 500+ of Ram. Reading about
virtual memory and knowing that I am only using 15% of my computer I am
wondering wheither I can load the max on my virtual memory and use it to play
Toontown. The following is what Toontown sent me regarding their query of my
computer:
After reviewing the log files you sent from your computer, it appears
you are using 98% of available ram when you are playing Toontown. This
may be the reason why you freeze up or experience lag during game play.

Toontown will not use 98% of your available ram during game play.

If I can use virtual memory for Toontown how do I do it? Or is this another
problem I am not aware of. I've seen some complain about IE7 that it is doing
the same to their computers.

I wish I could afford a bigger Ram but I am an amputee living on a Veteran's
pension and the budget is just not there.

Any assistance is greatly appreciated.

John Forbes

 

[Will Denny]

Hi

Please try the following article:

"Virtual Memory in Windows XP"
http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.php

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Will Denny

MS MVP Shell/User
Please Reply to the News Groups

 

[Phil Weldon]

'John Forbes' wrote, in part:

I am constantly playing Toontown, made by Disney. Just recently I have been
running out of Ram after an hour of play. I have 500+ of Ram.

_____

The short, simple answer is that Windows XP tries to use ALL the RAM ALL of
the time. Otherwise it is just wasted.

Windows XP tries to reach the best balance between RAM used for program data
and execution and RAM used for disk drive caching.

If the operating system and programs need more memory space than is
available in RAM (which is almost always the case), the least used portions
are copied out to the page file (pagefile.sys on your hard drive) to make
room in RAM for new portions of program and operating system code and data.
This normally happens in an orderly way, with only a small slow-down. If
the program is particularly large and the RAM size is small, then things can
slow way down as RAM contents is shuffled to and from the hard drive. Even
if you had twice as much RAM the virtual memory (pagefile.sys) would still
be used.

I've never seen the MMORPG game 'ToonTown' but my take on the explanation
'ToonTown' support gave you is that it's a crock. There should be no reason
other than poor program design for the problem you experience. And, in
fact, when I did a Google search on [ Toontown memory problems ] what should
appear on the first hit but an admission that this is the case:
at
http://www.disney.co.uk/toontown/knownissues.html

under 'known issues'

see

"Memory Leak

After playing for an extended period you may notice that the hard disk drive
is being accessed often ("thrashing"), and the game gets slower and slower.
Toontown currently has a problem "leaking" memory, which causes it to use
progressively more memory over time, which eventually causes the operating
system to 'swap' RAM to disk in an attempt to allocate more. If you
experience signs of this, we suggest you exit and restart the game
immediately (using Alt-F4 if necessary)."

What you can take away from this is that you have to educate yourself to
deal with uneducated and uncaring customer support (and to use Google as the
first resource.) And, as always, complain early and often.

Bottom line, it's not your system, it's Disney.

Good luck.

Phil Weldon

P.S. These days Microsoft recommends a page file about 1.5 times the size of
physical RAM.

 

[Guest]

Thank you Phil. Your answer was to the point and precise. Greatly appreciated.
John Forbes

'John Forbes' wrote, in part:

I am constantly playing Toontown, made by Disney. Just recently I have been
running out of Ram after an hour of play. I have 500+ of Ram.

_____

The short, simple answer is that Windows XP tries to use ALL the RAM ALL of
the time. Otherwise it is just wasted.

Windows XP tries to reach the best balance between RAM used for program data
and execution and RAM used for disk drive caching.

If the operating system and programs need more memory space than is
available in RAM (which is almost always the case), the least used portions
are copied out to the page file (pagefile.sys on your hard drive) to make
room in RAM for new portions of program and operating system code and data.
This normally happens in an orderly way, with only a small slow-down. If
the program is particularly large and the RAM size is small, then things can
slow way down as RAM contents is shuffled to and from the hard drive. Even
if you had twice as much RAM the virtual memory (pagefile.sys) would still
be used.

I've never seen the MMORPG game 'ToonTown' but my take on the explanation
'ToonTown' support gave you is that it's a crock. There should be no reason
other than poor program design for the problem you experience. And, in
fact, when I did a Google search on [ Toontown memory problems ] what should
appear on the first hit but an admission that this is the case:
at
http://www.disney.co.uk/toontown/knownissues.html

under 'known issues'

see

"Memory Leak

After playing for an extended period you may notice that the hard disk drive
is being accessed often ("thrashing"), and the game gets slower and slower.
Toontown currently has a problem "leaking" memory, which causes it to use
progressively more memory over time, which eventually causes the operating
system to 'swap' RAM to disk in an attempt to allocate more. If you
experience signs of this, we suggest you exit and restart the game
immediately (using Alt-F4 if necessary)."

What you can take away from this is that you have to educate yourself to
deal with uneducated and uncaring customer support (and to use Google as the
first resource.) And, as always, complain early and often.

Bottom line, it's not your system, it's Disney.

Good luck.

Phil Weldon

P.S. These days Microsoft recommends a page file about 1.5 times the size of
physical RAM.

I am constantly playing Toontown, made by Disney. Just recently I have been
running out of Ram after an hour of play. I have 500+ of Ram. Reading
about
virtual memory and knowing that I am only using 15% of my computer I am
wondering wheither I can load the max on my virtual memory and use it to
play
Toontown. The following is what Toontown sent me regarding their query of
my
computer:
After reviewing the log files you sent from your computer, it appears
you are using 98% of available ram when you are playing Toontown. This
may be the reason why you freeze up or experience lag during game play.

Toontown will not use 98% of your available ram during game play.

If I can use virtual memory for Toontown how do I do it? Or is this
another
problem I am not aware of. I've seen some complain about IE7 that it is
doing
the same to their computers.

I wish I could afford a bigger Ram but I am an amputee living on a
Veteran's
pension and the budget is just not there.

Any assistance is greatly appreciated.

John Forbes

 

[Phil Weldon]

Thank you Phil. Your answer was to the point and precise. Greatly
appreciated.

_____

Glad I could help. Thanks for the feedback. If you follow up with another
call to ToonTown, let us know the results when they're confronted with 'the
smoking gun' B^)

Phil Weldon

Thank you Phil. Your answer was to the point and precise. Greatly
appreciated.
John Forbes

'John Forbes' wrote, in part:

I am constantly playing Toontown, made by Disney. Just recently I have
been
running out of Ram after an hour of play. I have 500+ of Ram.

_____

The short, simple answer is that Windows XP tries to use ALL the RAM ALL
of
the time. Otherwise it is just wasted.

Windows XP tries to reach the best balance between RAM used for program
data
and execution and RAM used for disk drive caching.

If the operating system and programs need more memory space than is
available in RAM (which is almost always the case), the least used
portions
are copied out to the page file (pagefile.sys on your hard drive) to make
room in RAM for new portions of program and operating system code and
data.
This normally happens in an orderly way, with only a small slow-down. If
the program is particularly large and the RAM size is small, then things
can
slow way down as RAM contents is shuffled to and from the hard drive.
Even
if you had twice as much RAM the virtual memory (pagefile.sys) would
still
be used.

I've never seen the MMORPG game 'ToonTown' but my take on the
explanation
'ToonTown' support gave you is that it's a crock. There should be no
reason
other than poor program design for the problem you experience. And, in
fact, when I did a Google search on [ Toontown memory problems ] what
should
appear on the first hit but an admission that this is the case:
at
http://www.disney.co.uk/toontown/knownissues.html

under 'known issues'

see

"Memory Leak

After playing for an extended period you may notice that the hard disk
drive
is being accessed often ("thrashing"), and the game gets slower and
slower.
Toontown currently has a problem "leaking" memory, which causes it to use
progressively more memory over time, which eventually causes the
operating
system to 'swap' RAM to disk in an attempt to allocate more. If you
experience signs of this, we suggest you exit and restart the game
immediately (using Alt-F4 if necessary)."

What you can take away from this is that you have to educate yourself to
deal with uneducated and uncaring customer support (and to use Google as
the
first resource.) And, as always, complain early and often.

Bottom line, it's not your system, it's Disney.

Good luck.

Phil Weldon

P.S. These days Microsoft recommends a page file about 1.5 times the size
of
physical RAM.

I am constantly playing Toontown, made by Disney. Just recently I have
been
running out of Ram after an hour of play. I have 500+ of Ram. Reading
about
virtual memory and knowing that I am only using 15% of my computer I am
wondering wheither I can load the max on my virtual memory and use it
to
play
Toontown. The following is what Toontown sent me regarding their query
of
my
computer:
After reviewing the log files you sent from your computer, it appears
you are using 98% of available ram when you are playing Toontown. This
may be the reason why you freeze up or experience lag during game play.

Toontown will not use 98% of your available ram during game play.

If I can use virtual memory for Toontown how do I do it? Or is this
another
problem I am not aware of. I've seen some complain about IE7 that it is
doing
the same to their computers.

I wish I could afford a bigger Ram but I am an amputee living on a
Veteran's
pension and the budget is just not there.

Any assistance is greatly appreciated.

John Forbes

 

[Guest]

1st,virtual memory is always used in xp,2nd,virtual memory is a slow proccess
of ram compared to ram memory,it takes much more time to write to the hd (
page file) as to the pc using silicon chips (ram memory).3rd,Set virtual
memory
to "let system manage" click set 2X,close out,a restart is prompted if done
properly.

 

[Sad Fat Git]

I wish I could afford a bigger Ram but I am an amputee living on a
Veteran's pension and the budget is just not there.

Get more ram 1gb minimum. Its not that expensive these days. I am only living
on income support and even I can afford to do it.

 

[Phil Weldon]

'Sad Fat Git' wrote:
| Get more ram 1gb minimum. Its not that expensive these days. I am only
living
| on income support and even I can afford to do it.
_____

In this case, more RAM will not solve the problem. The program in question
has a bug; doubling the RAM would only push the choke up and die time from 1
hour to 2 or 3. Read the thread.

Phil Weldon

| |
| > I wish I could afford a bigger Ram but I am an amputee living on a
| > Veteran's pension and the budget is just not there.
| >
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