Priclessware Promotes Copyright Infringement

[T-Ray]

Well since no one responded [no surprise there] to the other post I made
about this, I am staring a new thread about it.

The http://www.pricelessware.org site is promoting copyright infringement
by listing Kazaa Lite on their site.

Kazaa Lite is clearly a rip off of Kazaa http://www.kazaa.com The people
who run Kazaa have stated just that in the complaint they filed with
http://www.google.com The complaint can be read here
<http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca512/notice.cgi?NoticeID=861> The
complaint states that the makers of Kazaa Lite have violated the Digital
Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). By listing Kazaa Lite Pricelessware.org
by default is aiding in the copyright infringement & are guilty of it as
well.

This is found to be an interesting situation as Pricelessware.org seems
to be selective on what counts as "theft" based on the program.

Example~~ Pricelessware.org has this page
http://www.pricelessware.org/2003/huntersoft.htm all about the "theft &
deception" of another program. Clearly the page is there to inform people
of illegal actions. Yet on another page Kazaa Lite is promoted as being
"Pricelessware"

From the evidence is looks like Pricelessware.org is only concerned about
"theft & deception" when it coincides with what they deem to be freeware
& "pricelessware"

Or perhaps it is just an oversight on their part.

 

[Gordon Darling]

The http://www.pricelessware.org site is promoting copyright infringement
by listing Kazaa Lite on their site.

Kazaa Lite is clearly a rip off of Kazaa http://www.kazaa.com The people
who run Kazaa have stated just that in the complaint they filed with
http://www.google.com The complaint can be read here
<http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca512/notice.cgi?NoticeID=861> The
complaint states that the makers of Kazaa Lite have violated the Digital
Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA).

The DMCA has no legal standing outside the United Banana Republic of
America

Regards
Gordon

 

[T-Ray]

|The DMCA has no legal standing outside the United Banana Republic of
|America

Maybe but.......

SmartWhois www.pricelessware.org (216.120.231.252)

216.120.224.0 - 216.120.255.255
HostRocket Web Services
21 Corporate Drive - Suite 203
Clifton Park, NY, 12065
US


Looks like NY to me which is in the United Banana Republic of
America.

 

[donutbandit]

Well since no one responded [no surprise there] to the other post I
made about this, I am staring a new thread about it.

The http://www.pricelessware.org site is promoting copyright
infringement by listing Kazaa Lite on their site.

Kazaa Lite is clearly a rip off of Kazaa http://www.kazaa.com The
people who run Kazaa have stated just that in the complaint they filed
with http://www.google.com The complaint can be read here
<http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca512/notice.cgi?NoticeID=861> The
complaint states that the makers of Kazaa Lite have violated the
Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). By listing Kazaa Lite
Pricelessware.org by default is aiding in the copyright infringement &
are guilty of it as well.

This is found to be an interesting situation as Pricelessware.org
seems to be selective on what counts as "theft" based on the program.

Example~~ Pricelessware.org has this page
http://www.pricelessware.org/2003/huntersoft.htm all about the "theft
& deception" of another program. Clearly the page is there to inform
people of illegal actions. Yet on another page Kazaa Lite is promoted
as being "Pricelessware"

From the evidence is looks like Pricelessware.org is only concerned
about "theft & deception" when it coincides with what they deem to be
freeware & "pricelessware"

Or perhaps it is just an oversight on their part.

Why have you got your shorts all up in a knot over it?

Kazaa is loaded with adware and spyware. It's true that maybe 90% of it's
users either don't know and/or don't care. The more savvy users who are
using Lite would only block the malware anyway.

Isn't it kind of ironic that the makers of software that exists for the
express purpose of stealing copyrighted material would be accusing someone
else of "copyright infringement?"

 

[T-Ray]

[snip]
|Isn't it kind of ironic that the makers of software that exists for the
|express purpose of stealing copyrighted material would be accusing someone
|else of "copyright infringement?"

Well, you may use Kazaa for stealing copyrighted material, but others use
it for legitimate reasons.

 

[Boomer]

Well since no one responded [no surprise there] to the other
post I made about this, I am staring a new thread about it.

[snip]

Are you also deedee at (e-mail address removed)?

Just curious.

 

[Boomer]

Well since no one responded [no surprise there] to the other
post I made about this, I am staring a new thread about it.

[snip]

Are you also deedee at (e-mail address removed)?

Just curious.

Or maybe Foust (e-mail address removed)?

More curious.

 

[Alan]

Well since no one responded [no surprise there] to the other post I
made about this, I am staring a new thread about it.

The http://www.pricelessware.org site is promoting copyright
infringement by listing Kazaa Lite on their site.

Best direct your concerns to Kazaa Lite, since they're the ones
(perhaps) doing the infringing. Whilst copyright infringment can be a
serious matter, linking to sites hasn't been outlawed yet.

 

[T-Ray]

|
|Best direct your concerns to Kazaa Lite, since they're the ones
|(perhaps) doing the infringing. Whilst copyright infringment can be a
|serious matter, linking to sites hasn't been outlawed yet.

You are of course right that linking to sites are perfectly fine. What's
next? Warez? Cracks? Porn? Pricelessware wants to be known as a place for
"pure freeware" How can they do that when they list a program that
clearly involves copyright infringement? Or is it acceptable to overlook
the copyright infringement because they really like the program?

 

[Gordon Darling]

Well since no one responded [no surprise there] to the other post I made
about this, I am staring a new thread about it.

Kazaa aka the scumbags known as Sharman Networks are suing everyone on the
planet and trying to censor Google.

"In response to a complaint we received under the Digital Millennium
Copyright Act, we have removed 2 result(s) from this page. If you wish,
you may read the DMCA complaint for these removed results."

From Google News

"Kazaa files copyright complaint against RIAA, others
IDG.com, Singapore - 30 Sep 2003
.... Sharman Networks charges the RIAA and its representatives of using Kazaa Lite, a
version of Kazaa not distributed by Sharman, to hunt down Kazaa users in order ...

Kazaa distributors file suit over software program use
Oregon Daily Emerald, OR - 6 Oct 2003
.... countersuit claims that certain entertainment companies accessed the Kazaa network
with an unauthorized version of the free software, known as Kazaa Lite, to ...


Kazaa files lawsuit against music, movie companies
The Southern Digest, LA - 29 Sep 2003
.... behind the Kazaa file-sharing software, filed a federal lawsuit Monday, accusing
the movie studios and the Recording Industry of America of using "Kazaa Lite," ...

Kazaa lawsuit turns tables
Baltimore Sun, MD - 24 Sep 2003
.... of Mountain View, Calif., demanding that the Internet search service stop providing
links to Kazaa Lite and to other downloadable software that allegedly ...


Kazaa fights back with lawsuit against the RIAA
PC Pro, UK - 25 Sep 2003
.... the RIAA, the body that represents the major US record labels, and movie studios,
accusing them of using an unauthorised version of Kazaa known as Kazaa
Lite. ..."

etc, etc, etc

Regards
Gordon

 

[Dan Goodman]

Well since no one responded [no surprise there] to the other post I
made about this, I am staring a new thread about it.

Kazaa aka the scumbags known as Sharman Networks are suing everyone on
the planet and trying to censor Google.

"In response to a complaint we received under the Digital Millennium
Copyright Act, we have removed 2 result(s) from this page. If you
wish, you may read the DMCA complaint for these removed results."

Directing people to the DMCA complaint makes such complaints rather
fruitless, doesn't it? I wonder if that has occurred to anyone at Google?

 

[Susan Bugher]

Directing people to the DMCA complaint makes such complaints rather
fruitless, doesn't it? I wonder if that has occurred to anyone at Google?

It has. That's why they do it that way. (A search for Google and
Scientology should give you more info on this if you want it.)

Susan

 

[Alan]

You are of course right that linking to sites are perfectly fine.
What's next? Warez? Cracks? Porn? Pricelessware wants to be known as
a place for "pure freeware" How can they do that when they list a
program that clearly involves copyright infringement? Or is it
acceptable to overlook the copyright infringement because they really
like the program?

I'd agree with the sentiment of linking to something illegal. But let's
wait and see if it *is* illegal before berating the PW list for the
inclusion of a link to it.

 

[T-Ray]

|I'd agree with the sentiment of linking to something illegal. But let's
|wait and see if it *is* illegal before berating the PW list for the
|inclusion of a link to it.

What more proof is need to prove that it is illegal? All of a sudden we
don't take the word or the people who own the copyright?

 

[T-Ray]

|On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:08:22 -0400, T-Ray wrote:
|
|> Well since no one responded [no surprise there] to the other post I made
|> about this, I am staring a new thread about it.
|
|Kazaa aka the scumbags known as Sharman Networks are suing everyone on the
|planet and trying to censor Google.
|
|"In response to a complaint we received under the Digital Millennium
|Copyright Act, we have removed 2 result(s) from this page. If you wish,
|you may read the DMCA complaint for these removed results."
|
|From Google News
|
|"Kazaa files copyright complaint against RIAA, others
|IDG.com, Singapore - 30 Sep 2003
|... Sharman Networks charges the RIAA and its representatives of using Kazaa Lite, a
|version of Kazaa not distributed by Sharman, to hunt down Kazaa users in order ...
|
|Kazaa distributors file suit over software program use
|Oregon Daily Emerald, OR - 6 Oct 2003
|... countersuit claims that certain entertainment companies accessed the Kazaa network
|with an unauthorized version of the free software, known as Kazaa Lite, to ...
|
|
|Kazaa files lawsuit against music, movie companies
|The Southern Digest, LA - 29 Sep 2003
|... behind the Kazaa file-sharing software, filed a federal lawsuit Monday, accusing
|the movie studios and the Recording Industry of America of using "Kazaa Lite," ...
|
|Kazaa lawsuit turns tables
|Baltimore Sun, MD - 24 Sep 2003
|... of Mountain View, Calif., demanding that the Internet search service stop providing
|links to Kazaa Lite and to other downloadable software that allegedly ...
|
|
|Kazaa fights back with lawsuit against the RIAA
|PC Pro, UK - 25 Sep 2003
|... the RIAA, the body that represents the major US record labels, and movie studios,
|accusing them of using an unauthorised version of Kazaa known as Kazaa
|Lite. ..."
|
|etc, etc, etc
|
|Regards
|Gordon
|

Which just makes it more clear that what Kazaa Lite is doing is wrong. By
promoting Kazaa Lite Pricelessware is also wrong. They are clearly
endorsing Kazaa Lite and the practices they represent, copyright
infringement.

 

[Gary R. Schmidt]

|I'd agree with the sentiment of linking to something illegal. But let's
|wait and see if it *is* illegal before berating the PW list for the
|inclusion of a link to it.

What more proof is need to prove that it is illegal? All of a sudden we
don't take the word or the people who own the copyright?

IANA(C)L, and particularly not a US (C) Lawyer (I have been involved in
a couple of Copyright cases in Oz), but there are differences between
"claiming" copyright, "holding" copyright, and proving a "breach" of
copyright.

I can claim copyright on anything, but if/when it is tested in court is
the important thing, not what I say.

The courts in general do not say, "oh, you have a document which says
(C) 1995 G. Schmidt, you're it," they tend to go into things like
provenance and publication and prior art and disclosure and intent and
it varies from country to country.

Cheers,
Gary B-)

 

[Alan]

What more proof is need to prove that it is illegal? All of a sudden
we don't take the word or the people who own the copyright?

Well, the fact that a lawsuit is in progress suggests that copyright
infringement is yet to be established. If it is, I guess that Kazaa Lite
will be pulled and the link in the PW list will disappear accordingly.
So what's the big deal?

 

[My Name]

Which just makes it more clear that what Kazaa Lite is
doing is wrong. By promoting Kazaa Lite Pricelessware is
also wrong. They are clearly endorsing Kazaa Lite and the
practices they represent, copyright infringement.

Not that I care at all, but you've got me wondering.
If software is hacked to remove a nag, time limitation, or such
it is considered warez, and OT here unless I'm mistaken.
If this Kazaa lite is a hacked piece of software.
How is this different from warez?
Would Opera hacked to remove the ads be on topic, pricelessware?

 

[T-Ray]

|
|Not that I care at all, but you've got me wondering.
|If software is hacked to remove a nag, time limitation, or such
|it is considered warez, and OT here unless I'm mistaken.
|If this Kazaa lite is a hacked piece of software.
|How is this different from warez?
|Would Opera hacked to remove the ads be on topic, pricelessware?

Exactly. It would be and is off topic here, and should be against what
Pricelessware supposedly stands for.

Opera was, but people finally saw that removing the ads was against the
Pricelessware dogma.

 

[Dan]

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 23:20:20 +1000, " Alan"
| I'd agree with the sentiment of linking to something illegal. But let's
| wait and see if it *is* illegal before berating the PW list for the
| inclusion of a link to it.

I would think that by promoting and linking to software which
infringes on someone's copyright or patent, those responsible for PW
would become liable to be included in a lawsuit, now or in the future.
This is not the only example - some very popular, well-written
freeware (another would be Irfanview, which last I checked was not
licensed to include .gif and .tif compression) contains technology
which which would be illegal to distribute, use, etc. in many areas.

IANAL either, but I know people who have been sued for "distributing"
software which was claimed to infringe/pirate someone else's claim.
The legal costs just in defending such a suit would have run into 6
figures. Of course, it is up to the individuals maintaining PW to
evaluate and respond to this risk as they think appropriate. For
myself, I would at least issue a disclaimer on the site and remove -
or at least put a warning flag on - any questionable programs.





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