Power saving issues

[Scott M]

I'm using windows XP on a IBM Think Centre desktop. I've set the screen saver
and it works fine. I've set the monitor power shut down time but when it
comes into effect the screen saver clicks out and the monitor goes back to my
desktop image. Also I've noticed that I don't have the option in display to
put the computer into standby or hibernate which I have on another computer
which is the exact same with the same operationg system?

Thanks.

Scott.

 

[Tim Meddick]

Scott,
what exactly does "the screensaver clicks out" mean?

As for the second point about not having options to standby or hibernate
available; try typing this into a 'Command Prompt' window:

POWERCFG /AVAILABLESLEEPSTATES

(you can also directly configure power profiles with this command. Type
"powercfg /?" for usage instructions)

....if you get a reply telling you that you have none, your problem here is
most likely due to settings in the BIOS. Go into the BIOS setup program and
look for an option to, firstly, turn on APM (Advanced Power Management) and
second, to enable hibernate (S4 - save to disk) and standby (S2 & S3 - save
to RAM) sleep states.

==


Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.

 

[Scott M]

Thanks Tim.

The screensaver activates and then when it's suppose to go to power save it
goes back to the desktop or becomes fully activated as if the mouse had been
clicked or keyboard utilized.

I'll try your advise and let you know.

Scott.

 

[Scott M]

Hello again.

First off my computer knowledge is limited so I apologize. I went to the
power profiles and it listed the screen saver and then three standby command
prompt lines S1, S2 and S3 and then a line for hibernation. There was nothing
else on the prompt lines so I assume I need to go into the BIOS or EFI. I
checked HELP but it doesn't tell me to to open up the BIOS. I knew how to do
this on older operating systems but don't knowm how to do it with XP
Professional. do you.

Thanks.

Scott.

 

[Tim Meddick]

Scott,
I must admit, I am a little confused by your reply. Do you mean by
"went to power profiles" that you issued the 'powercfg' command I quoted
earlier? Do you think you could post the exact output of that command here,
for the sake of clarity?

Secondly, did you mean by "you knew how to do this on older operating
systems" that you knew how to get into the BIOS?


In case you need to know, the BIOS setup program is a tiny program written
on to the BIOS chip on the motherboard.

This program is NOT part of the Windows XP Operating System it is
hard-written onto the BIOS chip and gives access to certain data that any
installed operating system will need about hardware and some user
preferences. Because of this, the program needs to be accessible before the
operating system loads.

(The data in the BIOS chipset also includes the CMOS chip which keeps the
system time alive when you unplug your PC)

You access it by pressing either F1, F2, F12, DEL or maybe another key.

Usually, the key you have to press to enter this setup program is stated on
the screen *just after* you press the 'power on' button e.g. ""Press F1
to enter setup"




Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.

 

[Scott M]

Tim,

I used the powercfg/? command and here's what I received...
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\user>powercfg/?

POWERCFG [/LIST | /QUERY [name] | /CREATE name | /DELETE name |
/SETACTIVE name | /CHANGE name settings |
/HIBERNATE {ON|OFF} | /EXPORT name [/FILE filename] |
/IMPORT name [/FILE filename] | /GLOBALPOWERFLAG {ON|OFF} /OPTION
flag |
/BATTERYALARM {LOW|CRITICAL} [settings] |
/DEVICEQUERY queryflags | /DEVICEENABLEWAKE devicename |
/DEVICEDISABLEWAKE devicename | /?]

Description:
This command line tool enables an administrator to control
the power settings on a system.

Parameter List:
/LIST, /L Lists the names of existing power schemes.
/QUERY, /Q Displays the configuration of the specified power scheme.
If no name is specified, the configuration of the
currently
active power scheme is displayed.
/CREATE, /C Creates a power scheme with the specified name. The new
scheme is created with the properties of the currently
active scheme.
/DELETE, /D Deletes the power scheme with the specified name.
/SETACTIVE, /S Makes the power scheme with the specified name active.
/CHANGE, /X Changes settings of the specified power scheme. Additional
switches specify the changes as follows:
/monitor-timeout-ac <minutes>
/monitor-timeout-dc <minutes>
/disk-timeout-ac <minutes>
/disk-timeout-dc <minutes>
/standby-timeout-ac <minutes>
/standby-timeout-dc <minutes>
/hibernate-timeout-ac <minutes>
/hibernate-timeout-dc <minutes>
/processor-throttle-ac <throttle>
/processor-throttle-dc <throttle>
AC settings are used when the system is on AC power.
DC settings are used when the system is on battery power.
Setting a timeout to zero will disable the corresponding
timeout feature. Supported throttle settings are NONE
CONSTANT, DEGRADE, and ADAPTIVE.
/EXPORT, /E Exports the power scheme with the specified name to a
file. If no filename is specified, the default is
SCHEME.POW. This additional parameter is supported:
/FILE <filename>
/IMPORT, /I Imports the power scheme from a file under the specified
name. If no filename is specified, the default is
SCHEME.POW. If a scheme with that name already exists, it
is replaced with the new one. This additional parameter
is supported:
/FILE <filename>
/HIBERNATE, /H {ON|OFF} Enables/Disables the hibernate feature.
Hibernate
timeout is not supported on all systems.
/NUMERICAL, /N Allows the power scheme to be operated upon to be
specified
using a numerical identifier. When using this switch, in
place of the name of the power scheme on the command line,
specify its numerical identifier. This switch may be used
in combination with the /QUERY, /DELETE, /SETACTIVE,
/CHANGE, /EXPORT, and /IMPORT commands.
/GLOBALPOWERFLAG, /G {ON|OFF} Turns one of the global power flags on/off.
Valid flags (to be used after "/OPTION ") are:
BATTERYICON: Turns the battery meter icon in the
system tray on/off.
MULTIBATTERY: Turns on/off multiple battery display
in system Power Meter.
RESUMEPASSWORD: Prompt for password on resuming the
system.
WAKEONRING: Turn on/off wake on ring support.
VIDEODIM: Turn on/off support for dimming video
display on battery power.
/AVAILABLESLEEPSTATES, /A Reports the sleep states available on the
system. Attempts to report reasons why sleep states are
unavailable.
/BATTERYALARM, /B {LOW|CRITICAL} Configures the battery alarm. The
following switches can be specified:
/activate <on|off>
Enables or disables the alarm.
/level <percentage (0 - 100)>
The alarm will be activated when the power level
reaches this percentage.
/text <on|off>
Turns the text notification on or off.
/sound <on|off>
Turns the audible notification on or off.
/action <none|shutdown|hibernate|standby>
Specifies the action to take when this alarm goes
off. Not all actions are always available.
/forceaction <on|off>
Force stand by or shutdown even if a program stops
responding.
/program <on|off>
Specifies a program to run. schtasks.exe /change
may be used to configure the program.
/DEVICEQUERY <queryflags> will return a list of devices that meet the
criteria specified in <queryflags>. Possible values
for <queryflags> are:
wake_from_S1_supported - return all devices that support
waking the system from a light sleep state.
wake_from_S2_supported - return all devices that support
waking the system from a deeper sleep state.
wake_from_S3_supported - return all devices that support
waking from the deepest sleep state.
wake_from_any - return all devices that support waking
from any sleep state.
S1_supported - list devices supporting light sleep states.
S2_supported - list devices supporting deeper sleep.
S3_supported - list devices supporting deepest sleep.
S4_supported - list devices supporting system hibernation.
wake_programmable - list devices that are
user-configurable
to wake the system from a sleep state.
wake_armed - list devices that are currently configured to
wake the system from any sleep state.
all_devices - return all devices present in the system.
all_devices_verbose - return verbose list of devices.
/DEVICEENABLEWAKE <devicename> enable the device to wake the system from a
sleep state. <devicename> is a device retrieved using
the '/DEVICEQUERY wake_programmable' parameter.
/DEVICEDISABLEWAKE <devicename> disable the device from waking the system
from a sleep state. <devicename> is a device retrieved
using the '/DEVICEQUERY wake_armed' parameter.
/HELP, /? Displays information on command-line parameters.

Examples:
POWERCFG /LIST
POWERCFG /QUERY scheme
POWERCFG /QUERY
POWERCFG /CREATE scheme
POWERCFG /DELETE scheme
POWERCFG /SETACTIVE scheme
POWERCFG /CHANGE scheme /monitor-timeout-dc 15
POWERCFG /CHANGE scheme /monitor-timeout-dc 0
POWERCFG /HIBERNATE on
POWERCFG /EXPORT scheme /file file
POWERCFG /QUERY number /NUMERICAL
POWERCFG /GLOBALPOWERFLAG on /OPTION BATTERYICON
POWERCFG /AVAILABLESLEEPSTATES
POWERCFG /BATTERYALARM low
POWERCFG /BATTERYALARM critical /ACTIVATE on /LEVEL 6 /ACTION hibernate
POWERCFG /DEVICEQUERY wake_armed
POWERCFG /DEVICEENABLEWAKE "Microsoft USB IntelliMouse Explorer"


C:\Documents and Settings\user>

C:\Documents and Settings\user>

When I went to powercfg/availablesleepatates here what I received........

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\user>powercfg/availablesleepstates
The following sleep states are not available on this system:
Standby (S1)
Standby (S2)
Standby (S3)
Hibernate

C:\Documents and Settings\user>

I was able to get into the BIOS and is showed the following:

ACPI-BIOS-IRG (IRQ9)
ACPI Standby Mode (S3)
APM BIOS Mode (Enabled)
Standby timeout (30 min)
Hard disk timeot (Enabled0
After Power loss (Last state)

These are the same settings I have another computer of the same make,
similar model and same operating system and the screen saver, power shut
down/hibernation works great.

Your thoughts please.

Thanks...........Scott.

 

[Paul]

Tim,

I used the powercfg/? command and here's what I received...
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
<<snip>>

C:\Documents and Settings\user>powercfg/availablesleepstates
The following sleep states are not available on this system:
Standby (S1)
Standby (S2)
Standby (S3)
Hibernate

C:\Documents and Settings\user>

I was able to get into the BIOS and is showed the following:

ACPI-BIOS-IRG (IRQ9)
ACPI Standby Mode (S3)
APM BIOS Mode (Enabled)
Standby timeout (30 min)
Hard disk timeot (Enabled0
After Power loss (Last state)

These are the same settings I have another computer of the same make,
similar model and same operating system and the screen saver, power shut
down/hibernation works great.

Your thoughts please.

Thanks...........Scott.

A quick question.

If you go to Device Manager, click on (+) next to the
"Computer" entry, what does the entry underneath Computer say ?

For example, mine says "ACPI Multiprocessor PC". Other values
are "ACPI Uniprocessor PC" and "Standard PC" is another
one of them. There are a few more different ones. Ideally,
you'd want an "ACPI" flavored one.

Paul

 

[Tim Meddick]

Scott,
I really didn't want the output for the command: 'powercfg /?'
....that command just lists the *usage* instructions for the powercfg command
and was for your own benefit.
Thankyou for including the output of the 'powercfg
/availablesleepstates' command. This proves that your computer supports
Hibernate (save-to-disk) and Suspend (save-to-RAM) sleep states. BTW this
is what 'Paul' is trying to find out in his own way, as if your computer is
not an ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface) it may not support
such sleep states.
The possibilities are that:

1). The BIOS APM (Advanced Power Management) settings are conflicting with
Windows APM. - Go into the BIOS setup program and check the power settings
there to make sure nothing is conflicting with what you want the PC to do on
hibernate/standby.

2). The type of screen saver you are using interrupts the execution of the
suspend process - If your suspend works with the screen saver turned off
then try using a different screen saver.

3). The power profile settings are conflicting one another (i.e. the timeout
for suspend is the same as the one for hibernate) which could result in the
system 'bouncing' back to the desktop. - Execute the command POWERCFG
/QUERY and check. You will get an output similar to the following:


Field Description Value
----------------- -----
Name My Scheme
Numerical ID 2
Turn off monitor (AC) After 60 mins
Turn off monitor (DC) After 15 mins
Turn off hard disks (AC) After 15 mins
Turn off hard disks (DC) After 10 mins
System standby (AC) Never
System standby (DC) After 45 mins
System hibernates (AC) After 120 mins
System hibernates (DC) Never
Processor Throttle (AC) Not Supported
Processor Throttle (DC) Not Supported


...although, you can also adjust these settings in 'Control Panel' > 'Power
Options' there are more settings here and thus more control over them. But,
it will do to change them in 'Power Options' if it is this that's the
problem. To adjust via the 'powercfg' command - again - type 'powercfg /?'
for a list of available commands, instruction and examples of it's use.

There are many other hardware and software conflicts that could be causing
this to happen and there is a diagnostic tool available from Microsoft to
analyse what happens when a PC tries to go into a power down/sleep state and
fails. But we will cross that bridge when we come to it. For now, go
through the possibilities that I've listed here first.

==



Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.

Tim,

I used the powercfg/? command and here's what I received...

When I went to powercfg/availablesleepatates here what I received........

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\user>powercfg/availablesleepstates
The following sleep states are not available on this system:
Standby (S1)
Standby (S2)
Standby (S3)
Hibernate

C:\Documents and Settings\user>

I was able to get into the BIOS and is showed the following:

ACPI-BIOS-IRG (IRQ9)
ACPI Standby Mode (S3)
APM BIOS Mode (Enabled)
Standby timeout (30 min)
Hard disk timeot (Enabled0
After Power loss (Last state)

These are the same settings I have another computer of the same make,
similar model and same operating system and the screen saver, power shut
down/hibernation works great.

Your thoughts please.

Thanks...........Scott.

Scott,
I must admit, I am a little confused by your reply. Do you mean
by
"went to power profiles" that you issued the 'powercfg' command I quoted
earlier? Do you think you could post the exact output of that command
here,
for the sake of clarity?

Secondly, did you mean by "you knew how to do this on older operating
systems" that you knew how to get into the BIOS?


In case you need to know, the BIOS setup program is a tiny program
written
on to the BIOS chip on the motherboard.

This program is NOT part of the Windows XP Operating System it is
hard-written onto the BIOS chip and gives access to certain data that any
installed operating system will need about hardware and some user
preferences. Because of this, the program needs to be accessible before
the
operating system loads.

(The data in the BIOS chipset also includes the CMOS chip which keeps
the
system time alive when you unplug your PC)

You access it by pressing either F1, F2, F12, DEL or maybe another key.

Usually, the key you have to press to enter this setup program is stated
on
the screen *just after* you press the 'power on' button e.g. ""Press
F1
to enter setup"




Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.

 

[Scott M]

Thanks again Tim. I'll try these and let you know.

Scott.


--
Scott M

Scott,
I really didn't want the output for the command: 'powercfg /?'
....that command just lists the *usage* instructions for the powercfg command
and was for your own benefit.
Thankyou for including the output of the 'powercfg
/availablesleepstates' command. This proves that your computer supports
Hibernate (save-to-disk) and Suspend (save-to-RAM) sleep states. BTW this
is what 'Paul' is trying to find out in his own way, as if your computer is
not an ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface) it may not support
such sleep states.
The possibilities are that:

1). The BIOS APM (Advanced Power Management) settings are conflicting with
Windows APM. - Go into the BIOS setup program and check the power settings
there to make sure nothing is conflicting with what you want the PC to do on
hibernate/standby.

2). The type of screen saver you are using interrupts the execution of the
suspend process - If your suspend works with the screen saver turned off
then try using a different screen saver.

3). The power profile settings are conflicting one another (i.e. the timeout
for suspend is the same as the one for hibernate) which could result in the
system 'bouncing' back to the desktop. - Execute the command POWERCFG
/QUERY and check. You will get an output similar to the following:


Field Description Value
----------------- -----
Name My Scheme
Numerical ID 2
Turn off monitor (AC) After 60 mins
Turn off monitor (DC) After 15 mins
Turn off hard disks (AC) After 15 mins
Turn off hard disks (DC) After 10 mins
System standby (AC) Never
System standby (DC) After 45 mins
System hibernates (AC) After 120 mins
System hibernates (DC) Never
Processor Throttle (AC) Not Supported
Processor Throttle (DC) Not Supported


...although, you can also adjust these settings in 'Control Panel' > 'Power
Options' there are more settings here and thus more control over them. But,
it will do to change them in 'Power Options' if it is this that's the
problem. To adjust via the 'powercfg' command - again - type 'powercfg /?'
for a list of available commands, instruction and examples of it's use.

There are many other hardware and software conflicts that could be causing
this to happen and there is a diagnostic tool available from Microsoft to
analyse what happens when a PC tries to go into a power down/sleep state and
fails. But we will cross that bridge when we come to it. For now, go
through the possibilities that I've listed here first.

==



Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.

Tim,

I used the powercfg/? command and here's what I received...

When I went to powercfg/availablesleepatates here what I received........

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\user>powercfg/availablesleepstates
The following sleep states are not available on this system:
Standby (S1)
Standby (S2)
Standby (S3)
Hibernate

C:\Documents and Settings\user>

I was able to get into the BIOS and is showed the following:

ACPI-BIOS-IRG (IRQ9)
ACPI Standby Mode (S3)
APM BIOS Mode (Enabled)
Standby timeout (30 min)
Hard disk timeot (Enabled0
After Power loss (Last state)

These are the same settings I have another computer of the same make,
similar model and same operating system and the screen saver, power shut
down/hibernation works great.

Your thoughts please.

Thanks...........Scott.

Scott,
I must admit, I am a little confused by your reply. Do you mean
by
"went to power profiles" that you issued the 'powercfg' command I quoted
earlier? Do you think you could post the exact output of that command
here,
for the sake of clarity?

Secondly, did you mean by "you knew how to do this on older operating
systems" that you knew how to get into the BIOS?


In case you need to know, the BIOS setup program is a tiny program
written
on to the BIOS chip on the motherboard.

This program is NOT part of the Windows XP Operating System it is
hard-written onto the BIOS chip and gives access to certain data that any
installed operating system will need about hardware and some user
preferences. Because of this, the program needs to be accessible before
the
operating system loads.

(The data in the BIOS chipset also includes the CMOS chip which keeps
the
system time alive when you unplug your PC)

You access it by pressing either F1, F2, F12, DEL or maybe another key.

Usually, the key you have to press to enter this setup program is stated
on
the screen *just after* you press the 'power on' button e.g. ""Press
F1
to enter setup"




Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.


Hello again.

First off my computer knowledge is limited so I apologize. I went to
the
power profiles and it listed the screen saver and then three standby
command
prompt lines S1, S2 and S3 and then a line for hibernation. There was
nothing
else on the prompt lines so I assume I need to go into the BIOS or EFI.
I
checked HELP but it doesn't tell me to to open up the BIOS. I knew how
to
do
this on older operating systems but don't knowm how to do it with XP
Professional. do you.

Thanks.

Scott.


--
Scott M


:

Scott,
what exactly does "the screensaver clicks out" mean?

As for the second point about not having options to standby or
hibernate
available; try typing this into a 'Command Prompt' window:

POWERCFG /AVAILABLESLEEPSTATES

(you can also directly configure power profiles with this command.
Type
"powercfg /?" for usage instructions)

....if you get a reply telling you that you have none, your problem
here
is
most likely due to settings in the BIOS. Go into the BIOS setup
program
and
look for an option to, firstly, turn on APM (Advanced Power
Management)
and
second, to enable hibernate (S4 - save to disk) and standby (S2 & S3 -
save
to RAM) sleep states.

==


Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.


I'm using windows XP on a IBM Think Centre desktop. I've set the
screen
saver
and it works fine. I've set the monitor power shut down time but
when
it
comes into effect the screen saver clicks out and the monitor goes
back
to
my
desktop image. Also I've noticed that I don't have the option in
display
to
put the computer into standby or hibernate which I have on another
computer
which is the exact same with the same operationg system?

Thanks.

Scott.

 

[Scott M]

Hi Tim.

Sorry for the delay. The PC I'm working on is at another location.

I went into Device Manager and it shows "ACPI Uniprocessor PC". This is the
same as on my other IBM Think Centre PC and I have no issues with it.

I tried your possibilities and here's what I got.

#1 - Here's what it showed and I don't see a conflict. Do you?

ACPI-BIOS-IRG (IRQ9)
ACPI Standby Mode (S3)
APM BIOS Mode (Enabled)
Standby timeout (30 min)
Hard disk timeot (Enabled0
After Power loss (Last state)

#2 - I turned off the screen saver and set the monitor's power to turn off
in 2 minutes. Nothing happened. I did this in Control Panel.

#3- Executed Powercfg/query and here's what I got. This may answer a few
questions.

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\user>powercfg/query

Field Description Value
----------------- -----
Name Home/Office Desk
Numerical ID 0
Turn off monitor (AC) After 2 mins
Turn off monitor (DC) After 5 mins
Turn off hard disks (AC) After 45 mins
Turn off hard disks (DC) After 10 mins
System standby (AC) Not Supported
System standby (DC) Not Supported
System hibernates (AC) Not Supported
System hibernates (DC) Not Supported
Processor Throttle (AC) NONE
Processor Throttle (DC) ADAPTIVE

C:\Documents and Settings\user>

So if I understand this correctly my system does not allow me to set a
standby or hibernate mode such as I've done with my other IBM.....but the
monitor power should still turn off which it still doesn't do. What do you
suggest now and is there a way to get the system to support a
standby/hibernate function or in fact do you recommend using these.

Thanks again.

Scott......Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada.









Scott M

 

[Paul]

Hi Tim.

Sorry for the delay. The PC I'm working on is at another location.

I went into Device Manager and it shows "ACPI Uniprocessor PC". This is the
same as on my other IBM Think Centre PC and I have no issues with it.

I tried your possibilities and here's what I got.

#1 - Here's what it showed and I don't see a conflict. Do you?

ACPI-BIOS-IRG (IRQ9)
ACPI Standby Mode (S3)
APM BIOS Mode (Enabled)
Standby timeout (30 min)
Hard disk timeot (Enabled0
After Power loss (Last state)

#2 - I turned off the screen saver and set the monitor's power to turn off
in 2 minutes. Nothing happened. I did this in Control Panel.

#3- Executed Powercfg/query and here's what I got. This may answer a few
questions.

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\user>powercfg/query

Field Description Value
----------------- -----
Name Home/Office Desk
Numerical ID 0
Turn off monitor (AC) After 2 mins
Turn off monitor (DC) After 5 mins
Turn off hard disks (AC) After 45 mins
Turn off hard disks (DC) After 10 mins
System standby (AC) Not Supported
System standby (DC) Not Supported
System hibernates (AC) Not Supported
System hibernates (DC) Not Supported
Processor Throttle (AC) NONE
Processor Throttle (DC) ADAPTIVE

C:\Documents and Settings\user>

So if I understand this correctly my system does not allow me to set a
standby or hibernate mode such as I've done with my other IBM.....but the
monitor power should still turn off which it still doesn't do. What do you
suggest now and is there a way to get the system to support a
standby/hibernate function or in fact do you recommend using these.

Thanks again.

Scott......Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada.

Until Tim shows up, try the following. Download the following tiny file from
Microsoft. It runs in a Command (MSDOS) window.

ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/products/Oemtest/v1.1/WOSTest/Tools/Acpi/dumppo.exe

Run this command.

dumppo.exe admin cap

This is my result, for comparison.

*******
Admin policy overrides
Min sleep state......: S1 <---- what might be used for standby
Max sleep state......: S4 - hibernate
Min video timeout....: 0
Max video timeout....: -1
Min spindown timeout.: 0
Max spindown timeout.: -1
power capabilties
System power capabilties
Power Button Present....: TRUE
Sleep Button Present....: TRUE
Lid Present.............: FALSE
System states supported.: S1 S3 S4 S5 <---- gotta have these, to make progress
Hiber file reserved.....: TRUE
Thermal control.........: FALSE
CPU Throttle control....: TRUE
Processor min throttle..: 46
Processor trottle scale.: 100 (1%)
Some disk will spindown.: TRUE
System batteries present: FALSE
System batteries scale..: (G:0 C:0) (G:0 C:0) (G:0 C:0)
Ac on line wake ability.: Unspecified
Lid wake ability........: Unspecified
RTC wake ability........: S4 - hibernate
Min device wake.........: Unspecified
Default low latency wake: Unspecified
*******

If you actually have some "System states supported" to work with, this
thread gives a hint on how to fix things using the dumppo command to
do an admin override.

http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?p=1825058&postcount=31

I'm curious now, after "powercfg" showed you have no system
states to speak of, as to what "dumppo" will show for
"System states supported"

If you want to redirect the text output of dumppo, you
can use a command syntax like this. Open the "output.txt" with
notepad, so you can copy/paste into a posting.

dumppo.exe admin cap > output.txt

Paul

 

[Scott M]

Paul.

I wasn't able to find the dumppo file in microsoft but I found it elsewhere,
saved it and ran it. I went to a command prompt and entered the command you
gave and this is what I got. I assume I should have done this from a C: but
don't remember the command for this.....it's been to long since I've worked
in DOS.

Thanks.
Scott.

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\user>dumppo.exe admin cap
'dumppo.exe' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.

C:\Documents and Settings\user>
--
Scott M

Hi Tim.

Sorry for the delay. The PC I'm working on is at another location.

I went into Device Manager and it shows "ACPI Uniprocessor PC". This is the
same as on my other IBM Think Centre PC and I have no issues with it.

I tried your possibilities and here's what I got.

#1 - Here's what it showed and I don't see a conflict. Do you?

ACPI-BIOS-IRG (IRQ9)
ACPI Standby Mode (S3)
APM BIOS Mode (Enabled)
Standby timeout (30 min)
Hard disk timeot (Enabled0
After Power loss (Last state)

#2 - I turned off the screen saver and set the monitor's power to turn off
in 2 minutes. Nothing happened. I did this in Control Panel.

#3- Executed Powercfg/query and here's what I got. This may answer a few
questions.

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\user>powercfg/query

Field Description Value
----------------- -----
Name Home/Office Desk
Numerical ID 0
Turn off monitor (AC) After 2 mins
Turn off monitor (DC) After 5 mins
Turn off hard disks (AC) After 45 mins
Turn off hard disks (DC) After 10 mins
System standby (AC) Not Supported
System standby (DC) Not Supported
System hibernates (AC) Not Supported
System hibernates (DC) Not Supported
Processor Throttle (AC) NONE
Processor Throttle (DC) ADAPTIVE

C:\Documents and Settings\user>

So if I understand this correctly my system does not allow me to set a
standby or hibernate mode such as I've done with my other IBM.....but the
monitor power should still turn off which it still doesn't do. What do you
suggest now and is there a way to get the system to support a
standby/hibernate function or in fact do you recommend using these.

Thanks again.

Scott......Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada.

Until Tim shows up, try the following. Download the following tiny file from
Microsoft. It runs in a Command (MSDOS) window.

ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/products/Oemtest/v1.1/WOSTest/Tools/Acpi/dumppo.exe

Run this command.

dumppo.exe admin cap

This is my result, for comparison.

*******
Admin policy overrides
Min sleep state......: S1 <---- what might be used for standby
Max sleep state......: S4 - hibernate
Min video timeout....: 0
Max video timeout....: -1
Min spindown timeout.: 0
Max spindown timeout.: -1
power capabilties
System power capabilties
Power Button Present....: TRUE
Sleep Button Present....: TRUE
Lid Present.............: FALSE
System states supported.: S1 S3 S4 S5 <---- gotta have these, to make progress
Hiber file reserved.....: TRUE
Thermal control.........: FALSE
CPU Throttle control....: TRUE
Processor min throttle..: 46
Processor trottle scale.: 100 (1%)
Some disk will spindown.: TRUE
System batteries present: FALSE
System batteries scale..: (G:0 C:0) (G:0 C:0) (G:0 C:0)
Ac on line wake ability.: Unspecified
Lid wake ability........: Unspecified
RTC wake ability........: S4 - hibernate
Min device wake.........: Unspecified
Default low latency wake: Unspecified
*******

If you actually have some "System states supported" to work with, this
thread gives a hint on how to fix things using the dumppo command to
do an admin override.

http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?p=1825058&postcount=31

I'm curious now, after "powercfg" showed you have no system
states to speak of, as to what "dumppo" will show for
"System states supported"

If you want to redirect the text output of dumppo, you
can use a command syntax like this. Open the "output.txt" with
notepad, so you can copy/paste into a posting.

dumppo.exe admin cap > output.txt

Paul

Scott M

 

[Paul]

Paul.

I wasn't able to find the dumppo file in microsoft but I found it elsewhere,
saved it and ran it. I went to a command prompt and entered the command you
gave and this is what I got. I assume I should have done this from a C: but
don't remember the command for this.....it's been to long since I've worked
in DOS.

Thanks.
Scott.

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\user>dumppo.exe admin cap
'dumppo.exe' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.

C:\Documents and Settings\user>

Move the file, such that it is in the C:\Documents and Settings\user
folder. When you open a command window, whatever MSDOS uses for a
PATH variable seems to include the current working directory.
You can use the "cd" command to change that. For example, say you
have C:\downloads\dumppo.exe and want to run it.

(Original working directory is C:\Documents and Settings\user)

cd .. # remove one level from the end of the working directory
cd .. # remove one level from the end of the working directory
cd downloads # Now we're in C:\downloads
dumppo admin cap

It is also possible to add directories to the PATH variable,
but that might be about as much work, as navigating to
where you've got the executable file.

I've also managed (once!) to launch a command window, where it was
already pointed into the correct directory. So there does exist some
way, for launching a command window, and have it point to
"where you're working". I just haven't managed to reproduce that
lately I use "cd" instead.

For more about the MSDOS commands in all their finery, try here.

http://www.vfrazee.com/ms-dos/6.22/help/

For example, the description of the "cd" command. It seems
I don't use many of the features available

http://www.vfrazee.com/ms-dos/6.22/help/cd.htm

HTH,
Paul

 

[Al Falfa]

... When you open a command window, whatever MSDOS uses for a PATH
variable seems to include the current working directory. You can use the
"cd" command to change that. For example, say you have
C:\downloads\dumppo.exe and want to run it.
(Original working directory is C:\Documents and Settings\user)
cd ..
cd ..
cd downloads # Now we're in C:\downloads

Just do
CD \downloads

... I've also managed (once!) to launch a command window, ...
and have it point to "where you're working"...

CMD.exe /k cd "\path\to\wanted\folder"

Merge the following .REG, so that in Explorer,
right-click a folder > "CMD Prompt this folder"
will open a CMD console with that folder as the current directory.

; ---8<---
REGEDIT4

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Directory\shell\Command]
@="CMD Prompt this folder"

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Directory\shell\Command\command]
@="cmd.exe /k cd \"%1\""

; --->8---

For more about the MSDOS commands in all their finery,
http://www.vfrazee.com/ms-dos/6.22/help/

Closer to home, try:
HH.exe "C:\WINDOWS\help\ntcmds.chm::/ntcmds.htm"

 

[Tim Meddick]

Paul,
A quirky thing about the use of the 'Command Prompt' on the
'Right-Click' menu. The weird thing about it is that it doesn't require
the "%1" parameter at the end of the command 'string', the default value
under the 'command' key. It's strange behaviour, but it seems to work under
Win XP.

Therefore, the following works:

-------------- copy between lines --------------


REGEDIT4

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Folder\Shell\cmd]
@="Command Prompt from Here!"

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Folder\Shell\cmd\command]
@="C:\WINDOWS\system32\cmd.exe"


-------------- copy between lines --------------

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.

... When you open a command window, whatever MSDOS uses for a PATH
variable seems to include the current working directory. You can use the
"cd" command to change that. For example, say you have
C:\downloads\dumppo.exe and want to run it.
(Original working directory is C:\Documents and Settings\user)
cd ..
cd ..
cd downloads # Now we're in C:\downloads

Just do
CD \downloads

... I've also managed (once!) to launch a command window, ...
and have it point to "where you're working"...

CMD.exe /k cd "\path\to\wanted\folder"

Merge the following .REG, so that in Explorer,
right-click a folder > "CMD Prompt this folder"
will open a CMD console with that folder as the current directory.

; ---8<---
REGEDIT4

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Directory\shell\Command]
@="CMD Prompt this folder"

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Directory\shell\Command\command]
@="cmd.exe /k cd \"%1\""

; --->8---

For more about the MSDOS commands in all their finery,
http://www.vfrazee.com/ms-dos/6.22/help/

Closer to home, try:
HH.exe "C:\WINDOWS\help\ntcmds.chm::/ntcmds.htm"

 

[Paul]

Paul,
A quirky thing about the use of the 'Command Prompt' on the
'Right-Click' menu. The weird thing about it is that it doesn't require
the "%1" parameter at the end of the command 'string', the default value
under the 'command' key. It's strange behaviour, but it seems to work under
Win XP.

Therefore, the following works:

-------------- copy between lines --------------


REGEDIT4

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Folder\Shell\cmd]
@="Command Prompt from Here!"

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Folder\Shell\cmd\command]
@="C:\WINDOWS\system32\cmd.exe"


-------------- copy between lines --------------

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.

I may have been using something like this, but that was
a couple computers ago

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx

http://download.microsoft.com/download/whistler/Install/2/WXP/EN-US/CmdHerePowertoySetup.exe

Paul

... When you open a command window, whatever MSDOS uses for a PATH
variable seems to include the current working directory. You can use the
"cd" command to change that. For example, say you have
C:\downloads\dumppo.exe and want to run it.
(Original working directory is C:\Documents and Settings\user)
cd ..
cd ..
cd downloads # Now we're in C:\downloads

Just do
CD \downloads

... I've also managed (once!) to launch a command window, ...
and have it point to "where you're working"...

CMD.exe /k cd "\path\to\wanted\folder"

Merge the following .REG, so that in Explorer,
right-click a folder > "CMD Prompt this folder"
will open a CMD console with that folder as the current directory.

; ---8<---
REGEDIT4

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Directory\shell\Command]
@="CMD Prompt this folder"

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Directory\shell\Command\command]
@="cmd.exe /k cd \"%1\""

; --->8---

For more about the MSDOS commands in all their finery,
http://www.vfrazee.com/ms-dos/6.22/help/

Closer to home, try:
HH.exe "C:\WINDOWS\help\ntcmds.chm::/ntcmds.htm"

 

[Tim Meddick]

All these 'Command Prompt from Here' "powertoys" do is create the following
registry key(s):


----------- copy between lines -----------



REGEDIT4

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Directory\Shell\cmd]
@="Command Prompt from Here!"

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Directory\Shell\cmd\command]
@="C:\WINDOWS\system32\cmd.exe"



----------- copy between lines -----------


....if you 'copy and paste' the above into a simple text file and rename it
with a .reg extension then double-click upon it to import it, you will
then have the 'right-click' option on folders in Explorer to open a 'Command
Prompt from Here!'....

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.

Paul,
A quirky thing about the use of the 'Command Prompt' on the
'Right-Click' menu. The weird thing about it is that it doesn't require
the "%1" parameter at the end of the command 'string', the default value
under the 'command' key. It's strange behaviour, but it seems to work
under Win XP.

Therefore, the following works:

-------------- copy between lines --------------


REGEDIT4

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Folder\Shell\cmd]
@="Command Prompt from Here!"

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Folder\Shell\cmd\command]
@="C:\WINDOWS\system32\cmd.exe"


-------------- copy between lines --------------

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.

I may have been using something like this, but that was
a couple computers ago

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx

http://download.microsoft.com/download/whistler/Install/2/WXP/EN-US/CmdHerePowertoySetup.exe

Paul

Paul wrote:
... When you open a command window, whatever MSDOS uses for a PATH
variable seems to include the current working directory. You can use
the
"cd" command to change that. For example, say you have
C:\downloads\dumppo.exe and want to run it.
(Original working directory is C:\Documents and Settings\user)
cd ..
cd ..
cd downloads # Now we're in C:\downloads
Just do
CD \downloads

... I've also managed (once!) to launch a command window, ...
and have it point to "where you're working"...
CMD.exe /k cd "\path\to\wanted\folder"

Merge the following .REG, so that in Explorer,
right-click a folder > "CMD Prompt this folder"
will open a CMD console with that folder as the current directory.

; ---8<---
REGEDIT4

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Directory\shell\Command]
@="CMD Prompt this folder"

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Directory\shell\Command\command]
@="cmd.exe /k cd \"%1\""

; --->8---

For more about the MSDOS commands in all their finery,
http://www.vfrazee.com/ms-dos/6.22/help/
Closer to home, try:
HH.exe "C:\WINDOWS\help\ntcmds.chm::/ntcmds.htm"

 

[Scott M]

I'm back after being out of town.

I changed the directory to a c:\ and entered "dumppo.exe admin cap" but was
advised that this was not a valid command so obviously I've done something
wrong.

I did download the dumppo file onto my desktop and clicked on "Run".

Is there another way that I should have opened or saved it.

Thanks.

Scott.


--
Scott M

Paul,
A quirky thing about the use of the 'Command Prompt' on the
'Right-Click' menu. The weird thing about it is that it doesn't require
the "%1" parameter at the end of the command 'string', the default value
under the 'command' key. It's strange behaviour, but it seems to work under
Win XP.

Therefore, the following works:

-------------- copy between lines --------------


REGEDIT4

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Folder\Shell\cmd]
@="Command Prompt from Here!"

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Folder\Shell\cmd\command]
@="C:\WINDOWS\system32\cmd.exe"


-------------- copy between lines --------------

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.

... When you open a command window, whatever MSDOS uses for a PATH
variable seems to include the current working directory. You can use the
"cd" command to change that. For example, say you have
C:\downloads\dumppo.exe and want to run it.
(Original working directory is C:\Documents and Settings\user)
cd ..
cd ..
cd downloads # Now we're in C:\downloads

Just do
CD \downloads

... I've also managed (once!) to launch a command window, ...
and have it point to "where you're working"...

CMD.exe /k cd "\path\to\wanted\folder"

Merge the following .REG, so that in Explorer,
right-click a folder > "CMD Prompt this folder"
will open a CMD console with that folder as the current directory.

; ---8<---
REGEDIT4

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Directory\shell\Command]
@="CMD Prompt this folder"

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Directory\shell\Command\command]
@="cmd.exe /k cd \"%1\""

; --->8---

For more about the MSDOS commands in all their finery,
http://www.vfrazee.com/ms-dos/6.22/help/

Closer to home, try:
HH.exe "C:\WINDOWS\help\ntcmds.chm::/ntcmds.htm"

 

[Paul]

I'm back after being out of town.

I changed the directory to a c:\ and entered "dumppo.exe admin cap" but was
advised that this was not a valid command so obviously I've done something
wrong.

I did download the dumppo file onto my desktop and clicked on "Run".

Is there another way that I should have opened or saved it.

Thanks.

Scott.

Either navigate to the folder that currently contains the dumppo.exe
file, using the "cd" command.

Or, use this program, to add an item to the right click menu. If you
right click on the folder that holds "dumppo.exe", the new item in
the right click menu says "Open Command Window Here". That should
help you start the CMD window, pointing to the folder containing
dumppo.

http://download.microsoft.com/download/whistler/Install/2/WXP/EN-US/CmdHerePowertoySetup.exe

Since that program puts an entry in Add or Remove Programs, you
can remove it later if you don't like it. No messy registry editing.

Paul

 

[Scott M]

Thanks Paul. I'll try this first chance I get as the problem computer is at
another location.

Scott.