[PL] Ballot and Opinion Poll: ACF Ware Glossary

[Helen]

I think we are not in a hurry, yet. So I put it up to the group that both
'definitions' of adware proposed are in fact linguistic tautologies. ;-)
(They 'define' a word with a variety of itself...)

To be not only destructive I post another suggestion, which I derived from
a proposal I set last year:

Adware: Software that displays or outputs promotional information for
any other version, product or service outside its help system.

Let's see if someone else likes it. (Or follows up with yet another one.)

Hi BeAr,

This is a *voting* thread. Alternate Adware definitions can be discussed
in the [PL] Ware Glossary - Annual Review thread.

We need to know the *type* of Adware definition we are striving for -
there is a great divide - is it only "paid" advertising or does it
include "self" advertising? To date discussion hasn't given us the
answer - there has not been enough participation.

I hope many people will participate in this poll. As you said - we're
not in a hurry. The exact wording of the Adware definition can be
discussed and agreed upon when the *direction* is clear.

Susan
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I would exempt Belarc from "Adware" (e.g., nagging, popups, intermittent
regular "BUY ME" ads, and "UPdate NOW", etc.)...Belarc doesn't do that.
I never see or hear anything of it until I use it and see it's sorta 'Letterhead'
with a site one can click on if one chooses). They are providing it for free
use, so ones (ads) like that I've no objection to, and see nothing 'wrong' with
them. Just mho.

Helen

 

[Susan Bugher]

I don't know, and I'm the one who proposed that definition. I also
proposed this one, an attempt to excluded programs that tag their
output with ads:

Adware: Software which displays advertising while it is running.

AFAICT, that one is not included in this poll because it would create
some problem WRT current pricelessware.

KISS - either/or (not multiple choice)

IMO any Ware Glossary change that affects the current PL should be
implemented in January 2006 with the next list. I noted this in the ballot.

ATM I see 6 votes. . .

I'll count the ballots if I see enough votes to make the poll
*meaningful*. (Counting ballots is a lot of work.)

Susan
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[Mike Dee]

5/6/2005 There is no voting deadline in this poll. It will remain
open as long as people are casting ballots.

******************************************
1) ACF Ware Glossary - Proposed revisions
******************************************

(proposed)
Adware: Software that displays advertising.

(existing)
Freeware: Legally obtainable software that you may use at no cost,
monetary or otherwise, for as long as you wish.

(proposed)
Registerware: you must provide personal information via
registration in order to download and/or use the program.
Registerware may require re-registration for continued use after a
period of time has elapsed, before reinstallation etc. etc.

********************************************************
2) Pricelessware 2006 Selection Procedures -
acceptable/unacceptable for nomination
********************************************************

Abandonware and Orphanware *non-Warez*
is acceptable for nomination

 

[Peacerose]

5/6/2005 There is no voting deadline in this poll. It will remain open
as long as people are casting ballots.

The ACF Ware Glossary is here:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/WareGlossary.php

There are three parts to the poll:

1) revisions to the ware glossary
2) acceptable/unacceptable for PL2006
3) On Topic - Off Topic for newsgroup discussion

Note: Proposed revisions to the ACF Ware Glossary that might reclassify
Pricelessware 2005 programs as Adware will take affect in January 2006.
(The Pricelessware 2006 selection process will use the revised Ware
Glossary definitions.)


******************************************
1) ACF Ware Glossary - Proposed revisions
******************************************

LEAVE the definition you prefer. REMOVE definitions you do not wish to
vote for. REMOVE both choices if you do not wish to express an opinion.

--------------

(proposed)
Adware: Software that displays advertising.


--------------

(existing)
Freeware: Legally obtainable software that you may use at no cost,
monetary or otherwise, for as long as you wish.


-------

(existing)
Registerware: you must provide personal information via registration in
order to download and/or use the program



********************************************************
2) Pricelessware 2006 Selection Procedures -
acceptable/unacceptable for nomination
********************************************************

Definitions are listed alphabetically. Both proposed Adware definitions
are shown. Select acceptable or unacceptable for both definitions.

LEAVE the choices you agree with. REMOVE choices you do not wish to vote
for. REMOVE both choices if you do not wish to express an opinion.

Abandonware and Orphanware *Warez*

 

[Dewey Edwards]

I don't know, and I'm the one who proposed that definition. I also
proposed this one, an attempt to excluded programs that tag their
output with ads:

I wish you wouldn't. The term "adware" here has become an extremely
broad brush to label programs. I think far too broad.

Maybe a program that simply watermarks itself on output is
acceptable here. That's fine, but it's adware. I say "should be
labeled as such" but ... People overreact to that label. Adware
doesn't *have* to include spyware.

Adware: Software which displays advertising while it is running.

And I consider this an Ad , a software enforced addendum to a post
recently -

"--
I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users.
It has removed 1 spam emails to date.
Paying users do not have this message in their emails.
Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now!"

AFAICT, that one is not included in this poll because it would create
some problem WRT current pricelessware.

I'm coming from a different point of reference. Adware, which is
just logoware, may be appropriate for PL, definitely for discussion
in this group.

Not all adware is spyware.

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=]

I wish you wouldn't.

I proposed it; I didn't advocate it. When I proposed it, I was hoping
to spur some discussion of the issue. Discussion about the definitions
seems hard to come by this time around.

The term "adware" here has become an extremely
broad brush to label programs. I think far too broad.

I'm not sure what you mean -- you seem to be arguing for a broad
definition, one that includes more software rather than less.

Maybe a program that simply watermarks itself on output is
acceptable here. That's fine, but it's adware. I say "should be
labeled as such" but ... People overreact to that label. Adware
doesn't *have* to include spyware.

I agree. Adware is not a subset of spyware or vice versa.

And I consider this an Ad , a software enforced addendum to a post
recently -

"--
I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users.
It has removed 1 spam emails to date.
Paying users do not have this message in their emails.
Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now!"

I agree. I think it would be good to explicitly include such apps in
the definition. Alternatively, if the consensus of the group is that
they are not adware, I think the definition should make that explicit.

Note that I was wrong about why it was not included.

I'm coming from a different point of reference. Adware, which is
just logoware, may be appropriate for PL, definitely for discussion
in this group.

Not all adware is spyware.

I agree.

 

[Susan Bugher]

**** THIS IS A REPOST *****

5/6/2005 There is no voting deadline in this poll. It will remain open
as long as people are casting ballots.

The ACF Ware Glossary is here:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/WareGlossary.php

There are three parts to the poll:

1) revisions to the ware glossary
2) acceptable/unacceptable for PL2006
3) On Topic - Off Topic for newsgroup discussion

Note: Proposed revisions to the ACF Ware Glossary that might reclassify
Pricelessware 2005 programs as Adware will take affect in January 2006.
(The Pricelessware 2006 selection process will use the revised Ware
Glossary definitions.)


******************************************
1) ACF Ware Glossary - Proposed revisions
******************************************

LEAVE the definition you prefer. REMOVE definitions you do not wish to
vote for. REMOVE both choices if you do not wish to express an opinion.

--------------

(proposed)
Adware: Software that displays advertising.

(proposed)
Adware: Software that displays advertising for products and/or services
produced by others.

--------------

(existing)
Freeware: Legally obtainable software that you may use at no cost,
monetary or otherwise, for as long as you wish.

(proposed)
Freeware: Software that you can obtain legally at no cost (monetary or
otherwise) and use for as long as you wish at no cost (monetary or
otherwise).

-------

(existing)
Registerware: you must provide personal information via registration in
order to download and/or use the program

(proposed)
Registerware: you must provide personal information via registration in
order to download and/or use the program. Registerware may require
re-registration for continued use after a period of time has elapsed,
before reinstallation etc. etc.


********************************************************
2) Pricelessware 2006 Selection Procedures -
acceptable/unacceptable for nomination
********************************************************

Definitions are listed alphabetically. Both proposed Adware definitions
are shown. Select acceptable or unacceptable for both definitions.

LEAVE the choices you agree with. REMOVE choices you do not wish to vote
for. REMOVE both choices if you do not wish to express an opinion.

---------

Abandonware and Orphanware *non-Warez*
is acceptable for nomination
is not acceptable for nomination

Abandonware and Orphanware *Warez*
is acceptable for nomination
is not acceptable for nomination

Adware (Software that displays advertising.)
is acceptable for nomination
is not acceptable for nomination

Adware (Software that displays advertising for products and/or services
produced by others.)
is acceptable for nomination
is not acceptable for nomination

Betaware
is acceptable for nomination
is not acceptable for nomination

CDWare
is acceptable for nomination
is not acceptable for nomination

Commercial Software
is acceptable for nomination
is not acceptable for nomination

Crippleware
is acceptable for nomination
is not acceptable for nomination

Demo-ware
is acceptable for nomination
is not acceptable for nomination

Donationware
is acceptable for nomination
is not acceptable for nomination

Freeware
is acceptable for nomination
is not acceptable for nomination

Liteware
is acceptable for nomination
is not acceptable for nomination

Malware
is acceptable for nomination
is not acceptable for nomination

Nagware
is acceptable for nomination
is not acceptable for nomination

Registerware
is acceptable for nomination
is not acceptable for nomination

Requestware
is acceptable for nomination
is not acceptable for nomination

Shareware
is acceptable for nomination
is not acceptable for nomination

Spyware
is acceptable for nomination
is not acceptable for nomination

Trialware
is acceptable for nomination
is not acceptable for nomination

Warez
is acceptable for nomination
is not acceptable for nomination


************************************
3) Opinion Poll: On Topic - Off Topic
************************************

alt.comp.freeware is an unmoderated newsgroup. The opinion poll lets
newsgroup participants express their views on the type of software they
*prefer* to see discussed. A summary of this poll will be shown on the
ACF web pages.

Both proposed Adware definitions are shown. Select acceptable or
unacceptable for both definitions.

LEAVE the opinion that you agree with. REMOVE the other choices. REMOVE
all choices if you do not wish to express an opinion.

---------

Abandonware and Orphanware *non-Warez*
a) on-topic - always okay to discuss
b) on-topic - usually okay to discuss
c) ???-topic - sometimes okay to discuss
d) off-topic - brief mention sometimes okay (for comparison etc.)
e) off-topic - discuss only when a warning is needed

Abandonware and Orphanware *Warez*
a) on-topic - always okay to discuss
b) on-topic - usually okay to discuss
c) ???-topic - sometimes okay to discuss
d) off-topic - brief mention sometimes okay (for comparison etc.)
e) off-topic - discuss only when a warning is needed

Adware (Software that displays advertising.)
a) on-topic - always okay to discuss
b) on-topic - usually okay to discuss
c) ???-topic - sometimes okay to discuss
d) off-topic - brief mention sometimes okay (for comparison etc.)
e) off-topic - discuss only when a warning is needed

Adware (Software that displays advertising for products and/or services
produced by others.)
a) on-topic - always okay to discuss
b) on-topic - usually okay to discuss
c) ???-topic - sometimes okay to discuss
d) off-topic - brief mention sometimes okay (for comparison etc.)
e) off-topic - discuss only when a warning is needed

Betaware
a) on-topic - always okay to discuss
b) on-topic - usually okay to discuss
c) ???-topic - sometimes okay to discuss
d) off-topic - brief mention sometimes okay (for comparison etc.)
e) off-topic - discuss only when a warning is needed

CDWare
a) on-topic - always okay to discuss
b) on-topic - usually okay to discuss
c) ???-topic - sometimes okay to discuss
d) off-topic - brief mention sometimes okay (for comparison etc.)
e) off-topic - discuss only when a warning is needed

Commercial Software
a) on-topic - always okay to discuss
b) on-topic - usually okay to discuss
c) ???-topic - sometimes okay to discuss
d) off-topic - brief mention sometimes okay (for comparison etc.)
e) off-topic - discuss only when a warning is needed

Crippleware
a) on-topic - always okay to discuss
b) on-topic - usually okay to discuss
c) ???-topic - sometimes okay to discuss
d) off-topic - brief mention sometimes okay (for comparison etc.)
e) off-topic - discuss only when a warning is needed

Demo-ware
a) on-topic - always okay to discuss
b) on-topic - usually okay to discuss
c) ???-topic - sometimes okay to discuss
d) off-topic - brief mention sometimes okay (for comparison etc.)
e) off-topic - discuss only when a warning is needed

Donationware
a) on-topic - always okay to discuss
b) on-topic - usually okay to discuss
c) ???-topic - sometimes okay to discuss
d) off-topic - brief mention sometimes okay (for comparison etc.)
e) off-topic - discuss only when a warning is needed

Freeware
a) on-topic - always okay to discuss
b) on-topic - usually okay to discuss
c) ???-topic - sometimes okay to discuss
d) off-topic - brief mention sometimes okay (for comparison etc.)
e) off-topic - discuss only when a warning is needed

Liteware
a) on-topic - always okay to discuss
b) on-topic - usually okay to discuss
c) ???-topic - sometimes okay to discuss
d) off-topic - brief mention sometimes okay (for comparison etc.)
e) off-topic - discuss only when a warning is needed

Malware
a) on-topic - always okay to discuss
b) on-topic - usually okay to discuss
c) ???-topic - sometimes okay to discuss
d) off-topic - brief mention sometimes okay (for comparison etc.)
e) off-topic - discuss only when a warning is needed

Nagware
a) on-topic - always okay to discuss
b) on-topic - usually okay to discuss
c) ???-topic - sometimes okay to discuss
d) off-topic - brief mention sometimes okay (for comparison etc.)
e) off-topic - discuss only when a warning is needed

Registerware
a) on-topic - always okay to discuss
b) on-topic - usually okay to discuss
c) ???-topic - sometimes okay to discuss
d) off-topic - brief mention sometimes okay (for comparison etc.)
e) off-topic - discuss only when a warning is needed

Requestware
a) on-topic - always okay to discuss
b) on-topic - usually okay to discuss
c) ???-topic - sometimes okay to discuss
d) off-topic - brief mention sometimes okay (for comparison etc.)
e) off-topic - discuss only when a warning is needed

Shareware
a) on-topic - always okay to discuss
b) on-topic - usually okay to discuss
c) ???-topic - sometimes okay to discuss
d) off-topic - brief mention sometimes okay (for comparison etc.)
e) off-topic - discuss only when a warning is needed

Spyware
a) on-topic - always okay to discuss
b) on-topic - usually okay to discuss
c) ???-topic - sometimes okay to discuss
d) off-topic - brief mention sometimes okay (for comparison etc.)
e) off-topic - discuss only when a warning is needed

Trialware
a) on-topic - always okay to discuss
b) on-topic - usually okay to discuss
c) ???-topic - sometimes okay to discuss
d) off-topic - brief mention sometimes okay (for comparison etc.)
e) off-topic - discuss only when a warning is needed

Warez
a) on-topic - always okay to discuss
b) on-topic - usually okay to discuss
c) ???-topic - sometimes okay to discuss
d) off-topic - brief mention sometimes okay (for comparison etc.)
e) off-topic - discuss only when a warning is needed

**********************

 

[Little Girl]

******************************************

1) ACF Ware Glossary - Proposed revisions
******************************************

(proposed)
Adware: Software that displays advertising.

(existing)
Freeware: Legally obtainable software that you may use at no cost,
monetary or otherwise, for as long as you wish.

(existing)
Registerware: you must provide personal information via registration in
order to download and/or use the program

********************************************************
2) Pricelessware 2006 Selection Procedures -
acceptable/unacceptable for nomination
********************************************************

Abandonware and Orphanware *non-Warez*
is acceptable for nomination

Abandonware and Orphanware *Warez*
is not acceptable for nomination

Adware (Software that displays advertising.)
is not acceptable for nomination

Adware (Software that displays advertising for products and/or services
produced by others.)
is not acceptable for nomination

Betaware
is not acceptable for nomination

CDWare
is not acceptable for nomination

Commercial Software
is not acceptable for nomination

Crippleware
is not acceptable for nomination

Demo-ware
is not acceptable for nomination

Donationware
is acceptable for nomination

Freeware
is acceptable for nomination

Liteware
is acceptable for nomination

Malware
is not acceptable for nomination

Nagware
is not acceptable for nomination

Registerware
is not acceptable for nomination

Shareware
is not acceptable for nomination

Spyware
is not acceptable for nomination

Trialware
is not acceptable for nomination

Warez
is not acceptable for nomination

************************************
3) Opinion Poll: On Topic - Off Topic
************************************

Abandonware and Orphanware *non-Warez*
a) on-topic - always okay to discuss

Abandonware and Orphanware *Warez*
e) off-topic - discuss only when a warning is needed

Adware (Software that displays advertising.)
c) ???-topic - sometimes okay to discuss

Adware (Software that displays advertising for products and/or services
produced by others.)
e) off-topic - discuss only when a warning is needed

Betaware
b) on-topic - usually okay to discuss

CDWare
e) off-topic - discuss only when a warning is needed

Commercial Software
e) off-topic - discuss only when a warning is needed

Crippleware
e) off-topic - discuss only when a warning is needed

Demo-ware
e) off-topic - discuss only when a warning is needed

Donationware
a) on-topic - always okay to discuss

Freeware
a) on-topic - always okay to discuss

Liteware
b) on-topic - usually okay to discuss

Malware
e) off-topic - discuss only when a warning is needed

Nagware
e) off-topic - discuss only when a warning is needed

Registerware
a) on-topic - always okay to discuss

Shareware
e) off-topic - discuss only when a warning is needed

Spyware
e) off-topic - discuss only when a warning is needed

Trialware
e) off-topic - discuss only when a warning is needed

Warez
e) off-topic - discuss only when a warning is needed

NOTE: In most cases above where I chose:
e) off-topic - discuss only when a warning is needed
I'd say that also this one applies:
d) off-topic - brief mention sometimes okay (for comparison etc.)

 

[Susan Bugher]

NOTE: In most cases above where I chose:
e) off-topic - discuss only when a warning is needed
I'd say that also this one applies:
d) off-topic - brief mention sometimes okay (for comparison etc.)

Sure. The poll will be a *rough* guide to opinions. There are always
gray/grey areas, apps that are exceptions (13 year Trialware comes to
mind), special circumstances, etc. There's no way to cover all the
possibilities in a poll.

Susan
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[Gary R. Schmidt]

******************************************

1) ACF Ware Glossary - Proposed revisions
******************************************
(proposed)
Adware: Software that displays advertising for products and/or services
produced by others.

--------------

(existing)
Freeware: Legally obtainable software that you may use at no cost,
monetary or otherwise, for as long as you wish.

-------

(proposed)
Registerware: you must provide personal information via registration in
order to download and/or use the program. Registerware may require
re-registration for continued use after a period of time has elapsed,
before reinstallation etc. etc.


********************************************************
2) Pricelessware 2006 Selection Procedures -
acceptable/unacceptable for nomination
********************************************************
---------

Abandonware and Orphanware *non-Warez*
is acceptable for nomination

Abandonware and Orphanware *Warez*
is not acceptable for nomination

Adware (Software that displays advertising.)
is not acceptable for nomination

Adware (Software that displays advertising for products and/or services
produced by others.)
is not acceptable for nomination

Betaware
is acceptable for nomination

CDWare
is acceptable for nomination

Commercial Software
is acceptable for nomination

Crippleware
is acceptable for nomination

Demo-ware
is not acceptable for nomination

Donationware
is acceptable for nomination

Freeware
is acceptable for nomination

Liteware
is acceptable for nomination

Malware
is not acceptable for nomination

Nagware
is acceptable for nomination

Registerware
is acceptable for nomination

Requestware
is acceptable for nomination

Shareware
is not acceptable for nomination

Spyware
is not acceptable for nomination

Trialware
is not acceptable for nomination

Warez
is not acceptable for nomination


************************************
3) Opinion Poll: On Topic - Off Topic
************************************

alt.comp.freeware is an unmoderated newsgroup. The opinion poll lets
newsgroup participants express their views on the type of software they
*prefer* to see discussed. A summary of this poll will be shown on the
ACF web pages.

Both proposed Adware definitions are shown. Select acceptable or
unacceptable for both definitions.

LEAVE the opinion that you agree with. REMOVE the other choices. REMOVE
all choices if you do not wish to express an opinion.

---------

Abandonware and Orphanware *non-Warez*
c) ???-topic - sometimes okay to discuss

Abandonware and Orphanware *Warez*
d) off-topic - brief mention sometimes okay (for comparison etc.)

Adware (Software that displays advertising.)
e) off-topic - discuss only when a warning is needed

Adware (Software that displays advertising for products and/or services
produced by others.)
e) off-topic - discuss only when a warning is needed

Betaware
b) on-topic - usually okay to discuss

CDWare
a) on-topic - always okay to discuss

Commercial Software
d) off-topic - brief mention sometimes okay (for comparison etc.)

Crippleware
c) ???-topic - sometimes okay to discuss

Demo-ware
c) ???-topic - sometimes okay to discuss

Donationware
a) on-topic - always okay to discuss

Freeware
a) on-topic - always okay to discuss

Liteware
a) on-topic - always okay to discuss

Malware
e) off-topic - discuss only when a warning is needed

Nagware
d) off-topic - brief mention sometimes okay (for comparison etc.)

Registerware
a) on-topic - always okay to discuss

Requestware
a) on-topic - always okay to discuss

Shareware
d) off-topic - brief mention sometimes okay (for comparison etc.)

Spyware
e) off-topic - discuss only when a warning is needed

Trialware
e) off-topic - discuss only when a warning is needed

Warez
e) off-topic - discuss only when a warning is needed

**********************

 

[Ed Fisher]

I proposed it; I didn't advocate it. When I proposed it, I was hoping
to spur some discussion of the issue. Discussion about the definitions
seems hard to come by this time around.
Yes.


I'm not sure what you mean -- you seem to be arguing for a broad
definition, one that includes more software rather than less.

Not an easy answer to your question. (And sorry for the delay in
answering - but work happens).

I do argue for a broader definition fo adware. One to include ads
placed in a programs output.

I don't argue that the mere label adware should be the death knell
for programs here.

I agree. Adware is not a subset of spyware or vice versa.

I agree. I think it would be good to explicitly include such apps in
the definition. Alternatively, if the consensus of the group is that
they are not adware, I think the definition should make that explicit.

I will ponder a suggestion.

 

[Ed Fisher]

On Sat, 7 May 2005 16:31:33 +0200, "B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson"

Sorry for the delay to answer.

I see what you mean. Because of last years discussion I intentionally
left *pure* self-promotion. (It would have been 'for itself, any other
version, product or service'). Following a broader definition, last year
some programs nearly got fired from PWL for innocently mentioning a bit
more information than their name. (Like a web address for contacts.)
I certainly don't like *that*.

I can understand.

Maybe a second sentence on my definition could deal with such cases:

'Self-promotion *may* classify a program as Adware, especially if done
obtrusive.'

If it's a benign advertisment (a watermark for instance), it may be
unobtrusive.

 

[Little Girl]

Hey there,

Sure. The poll will be a *rough* guide to opinions. There are always
gray/grey areas, apps that are exceptions (13 year Trialware comes to
mind), special circumstances, etc. There's no way to cover all the
possibilities in a poll.

Yeah, I figured I'd better cover my butt. I consider myself basically
a purist when it comes to my own freeware choices, but will
occasionally use things that don't quite live up to my purist
standards as long as the link/button/ad isn't "in my face" and if the
software is simply so good that I must use it. I realize that a lot of
the time people need to describe what they're looking for, sometimes
by pointing to a commercial program in their request to give us a
better idea of exactly what they're looking for, so no harm done. If,
however, someone was pushing a commercial program in here, I'd go with
e) above. I figured if the vote was close, it would be better to
mention that mine go "both ways" depending on circumstance.