PCLinuxOs...

[Guest]

"Mike" proved...

Alias is clearly not too bright. He obviously did a WHOIS lookup on
your IP address, which is owned by Road Runner. The address is listed
as Herndon, VA.

Unfortunately for Alias, he's *not* smart enough to figure out what
socal.res.rr.com means. Yes, that's about as far away from Virginia as
you can get without leaving the US!

Note to Alias. The address of record of the owner of an IP address
doesn't always relate to the location of the poster currently using said
IP address.

Too funny. LMAO

 

[Alias]

It is? Hahaha...you don't know how to read a header do you? I couldn't
be farther away from Virginia unless I left the Continental limits of
the United States!

Southern California, per chance?

Of course they have Vista loaded on in-store computers. They do not let
them connect to the Internet for obvious reasons which in my travels to
Europe, I have never seen them do in any store.
Also store computers, like most pre-loaded computers, don't come with
any really useful software.
In other words, the only real way to get a true feeling for Vista is to
load it, sit down and be productive with it. Something you've yet to do.

For long term use, yes. To check it out, no. Reading about others'
experiences is good research too.

You're afraid I'll come see you? A little paranoid huh?
What, or who are you so afraid of?
Who do you think you're hiding from?
Hahahah...sorry pal, I couldn't possibly care less about you or where
you live.
You're very unimportant to me.
Frank

Then stop stalking me and stop asking. You won't do either as it's not
in your nature.

Alias

 

[Frank]

Then stop stalking me and stop asking. You won't do either as it's not
in your nature.

Alias

Already got my answer about the store you visited....hahaha...and you
have no idea what my nature is...you're not a even a good guesser.
I'm just waiting to see if you have any real character at all in you.
Though I can already guess at the answer to that question.
Frank

 

[xfile]

Alias,

My final thoughts and hope you can take it as a friendly advise:

If you have a strong feeling for Linux and Ubuntu, why don't you come up
Ubuntu-based solutions and start selling it to people around you and then
move to others?

Regular users don't like to go here and there to download components,
utilities, and applications so that they can come up a piece of solution,
and that's why we have some many different kinds of solution providers from
brand name OEM's to system builders to consultants, etc..

If you think MS screwed it up this time, take the opportunity by all means
instead of coming to here to insulting Windows users.

Trust me, if you can come up good value propositions, people will move but
OS by itself is hardly enough.

It takes 50+ years for Japanese car manufacturers to establish their brand
reputation, and since you are in Spain, I assume you know Zara who spent
nearly 30 years to become an international brand name, so does MS.

What I am trying to say is - it takes time and just take one step at a time.

Take care.

 

[Lang Murphy]

I've said it many time before, and I'll say it again... nix ain't ready
for "Joe Normal."

Sorry, I forget the person who suggested I try PCLinuxOS, and, that said,
I d/l'd it today and installed it on a desktop. (Tried installing it on a
laptop with a wireless NIC, but, uh, no go?)

So I installed PCLOS, as it's called, on a desktop. Install went OK. Got
to the desktop fine. Where's the Network icon? None. How does one access
the local network? Ah, open "My Computer". Heh, heh, heh... then open
"Remote Places." Then open "Local Network", only to receive the msg "The
Lisa daemon does not appear to be running. In order to use the LAN
browser, the Lisa daemon must be installed and activated by the system
administrator."

Uh, OK... where does one go from here? (NOT looking for answers from nix
folks, it's a rhetorical question.)

Is it so hard to put a "Network" icon on the desktop?

Is it so hard to have that functionality be transparent to the user? Is
the "Joe Normal" user going to know how to log on as administrator and
install and activate the Lisa daemon? Uh, no?

OK... this may appear to be an attack on nix... it's not, believe me. Were
one to have the time to determine how to install and activate the Lisa
daemon... well, no issue, right? One can figure it out -eventually-,
right?

And, of course, I'm not saying that Vista is "issue free." That said...
when I install Vista, I get a "Network" icon on the desktop that takes me
right to the stuff I'm tryng to access. No "install Lisa daemon" stuff...

So, yeah, Vista's not "issue free." We all know it, and I'd be a dope to
claim otherwise.

And I -am- most interested in trying different nix distros; ones that
might be considered "Joe Normal" friendly.

Have yet to discover -that- nix distro.

And, no, don't tell me Ubutnu. Been there, done that.

Lang

I wrote a bunch of replies yesterday... for some reason, they didn't make it
out of my outbox... just sent them now... I was not ignoring the first 10 or
so responses... appears there are a few more now...

Lang

 

[Lang Murphy]

Ubuntu 7.04 has a network icon so you haven't been there or done that.

Alias

Well... as someone pointed out to me as far as there being a network icon on
the Vista desktop... only if you put it there. Appears to be the same with
Ubuntu. No network icon on the desktop. Must hit "Places | Network" to get
there...

Lang

 

[Lang Murphy]

I usually only answer to posts such as the one by the original poster if I
feel I have something to add to it that is constructive. I don't go around
posting "Get Ubuntu" to users with Vista Problems nor do I engage in
pissing contest like some people here like to do.

So dunno, can't really answer that question. =)

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Stephan,

And the orignal poster THANKS you for your method of posting in this ng. For
real.

You may start to see posts from me in alt.os.linux.ubuntu... the appropriate
forum for questions and general hoo-ha Ubuntu flag waving.

Thanks again,

Lang

 

[Alias]

Well... as someone pointed out to me as far as there being a network
icon on the Vista desktop... only if you put it there. Appears to be the
same with Ubuntu. No network icon on the desktop. Must hit "Places |
Network" to get there...

Lang

Not with 7.04. The network icon is next to the clock.

Alias

 

[MICHAEL]

* Lang Murphy:

Michael,

Thanks for the reply. My intent, although probably not clearly stated, was
to open a thread about the, er, intricacies, of getting any flavor of nix up
and running, as compared to Vista. I guess, no... I know, that my attempts
at getting any flavor of nix up and running are half-hearted, mainly because
when I hit the wall, so to speak, I have no interest in trying to climb over
that wall.

Yes, my 20 years of Windows experience puts me at an advantage over those
who don't "do" IT for a living. And, yes, my experience with Windows no
doubt slants my perspective. I think the points you make are right on the
money. That said, I think it's just too much to expect "Joe Normal" to jump
into nix. I've seen some of the other replies about how "I've installed nix
and my users are happy campers." Well... the users are happy campers because
they've got an IT guy who takes care of any problems they have. Well... I
know, as stated, that my Windows experience slants my perspective.

I've still got PCLOS installed on a box here. When time allows, I will look
further into the lisa thing.

Again, thanks for the reply. And, as always, thanks for being civil; greatly
appreciated!

Lang,

I understand what you are saying. However, most "Joe normals" also
never actually install Windows, either. I'm sure if the only way you could
get Windows was to do the install yourself, there would be a lot more
problems.

I am absolutely no expert on Linux, I'll just google until I find
the answers I need.

Basically, Lisa is for LAN Browsing and Samba is for sharing.

Looking at the desktop Menu bar, look for the 5th icon from
the left, "Administration Center", click it. Then go "System".
Then "Enable or disable the system services".
The "Services and daemons" window will open up.
Then scroll down to Lisa. Click "Start", and check "On boot".

While your in Services, scroll down to "smb" and make
sure it's running and checked "On boot".

Some additional links that may help with PCLinuxOS;

http://docs.pclinuxos.com/Samba

http://www.pclinuxonline.com/wiki/PageIndex

http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdenetwork/lisa/

One of the biggest hurdles overcoming when you first
try to use Linux is understanding the "language". Much
easier to understand if you can compare them to a
Windows' equivalent.

http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html
The table of equivalents / replacements / analogs of Windows software in Linux.

Even if you decide you just don't like Linux, that's cool.
We all like and dislike things for whatever reasons.... that's
our prerogative. I just hate to see folks make hasty decisions
based on ignorance and without really trying... that's not aimed
at you, Lang.

As I've said too many times already- I'm still a Windows guy and
have no plans to make any Linux flavor my main course anytime soon.
However, I certainly like trying new dishes.... there may come a time
when Windows may become too bitter tasting, or I may need to just
go on a diet because Windows gets stuffed with too much fat.
If any of that happens, I'll at least be familiar and un-intimidated by Linux.

It's always a pleasure having a discussion with you, Lang.


Take care,

Michael

 

[Stephan Rose]

Charlie,

Good points all. No doubt Vista's UI is worlds apart from XP's. The thing I
like about the "new" CP is its search box. Not sure where they put
Add/Remove programs? Try the search box. I use it quite often. To good
effect, I think.

And, I guess, folks might have problems with drivers and printers with
Vista. That issue is keeping me from installing Vista on one of my personal
PC's. I have legacy hw that doesn't have Vista drivers. Or... nix drivers.
So I'm stuck with XP on that box until I can upgrade my hw to Vista
compatible stuff.

What legacy hw that doesn't have *nix drivers? Just curious.

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[Stephan Rose]

Not with 7.04. The network icon is next to the clock.

Alias, he means the network explorer, not the network connection status
indicator. =)

Which yes, as lang correctly stated, is under Places->Network =)

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[Kurt Herman]

Now, now.....

There's no place in this newsgroup for a calm, coolheaded, evenhanded and
logical response such as yours, Michael.

And the version of Linux that I decided to run in my Virtual Machine, on
Vista, is PCLinuxOS.
It is VERY much better then Ubunttu. Very well put together. It wont replace
Vista on my machine, but If I couldn't afford Vista (and all the other
pro-aps I use), I would be running PCLinuxOS as my primary OS.

Kurt

 

[MICHAEL]

Thanks, Kurt.

Take care,

Michael

* Kurt Herman:

 

[Lang Murphy]

What legacy hw that doesn't have *nix drivers? Just curious.

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ATI TV Tuner card... uh, hmm... lemme look... ATI TV Wonder Pro.

And... Plextor xConvert PX-M402U.

But... I think we should really continue this thread over in
alt.os.linux.ubuntu. (Not your fault for -asking- here... I started this
thread... but think we should move it...)

Regards,

Lang

 

[Lang Murphy]

Alias, he means the network explorer, not the network connection status
indicator. =)

Which yes, as lang correctly stated, is under Places->Network =)

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Correct, sir!

Lang

 

[Lang Murphy]

* Lang Murphy:

Lang,

I understand what you are saying. However, most "Joe normals" also
never actually install Windows, either. I'm sure if the only way you
could
get Windows was to do the install yourself, there would be a lot more
problems.

I am absolutely no expert on Linux, I'll just google until I find
the answers I need.

Basically, Lisa is for LAN Browsing and Samba is for sharing.

Looking at the desktop Menu bar, look for the 5th icon from
the left, "Administration Center", click it. Then go "System".
Then "Enable or disable the system services".
The "Services and daemons" window will open up.
Then scroll down to Lisa. Click "Start", and check "On boot".

While your in Services, scroll down to "smb" and make
sure it's running and checked "On boot".

Some additional links that may help with PCLinuxOS;

http://docs.pclinuxos.com/Samba

http://www.pclinuxonline.com/wiki/PageIndex

http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdenetwork/lisa/

One of the biggest hurdles overcoming when you first
try to use Linux is understanding the "language". Much
easier to understand if you can compare them to a
Windows' equivalent.

http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html
The table of equivalents / replacements / analogs of Windows software in
Linux.

Even if you decide you just don't like Linux, that's cool.
We all like and dislike things for whatever reasons.... that's
our prerogative. I just hate to see folks make hasty decisions
based on ignorance and without really trying... that's not aimed
at you, Lang.

As I've said too many times already- I'm still a Windows guy and
have no plans to make any Linux flavor my main course anytime soon.
However, I certainly like trying new dishes.... there may come a time
when Windows may become too bitter tasting, or I may need to just
go on a diet because Windows gets stuffed with too much fat.
If any of that happens, I'll at least be familiar and un-intimidated by
Linux.

It's always a pleasure having a discussion with you, Lang.


Take care,

Michael

Michael,

Thanks for the detailed response. Sorry to say, I installed Ubuntu on the
seat that had PCLinuxOS installed. Yes, I guess it was Samba that I was in
need of... if i wanted to view shares on the network and that's the app to
do it?

I must admit... I didn't have to deal with any of that in Ubuntu... but
we're quickly approaching the "stepping WAY over the OT line" by continuing
in this direction in this thread in this ng. (Yes! I started the thread! I'm
at fault! Sue me! <grin>)

Anywho... again, thanks for the detailed reply... I'll save it for future
reference.

Lang

 

[Snuff]

I've said it many time before, and I'll say it again... nix ain't ready for
"Joe Normal."

Sorry, I forget the person who suggested I try PCLinuxOS, and, that said, I
d/l'd it today and installed it on a desktop. (Tried installing it on a
laptop with a wireless NIC, but, uh, no go?)

So I installed PCLOS, as it's called, on a desktop. Install went OK. Got to
the desktop fine. Where's the Network icon? None. How does one access the
local network? Ah, open "My Computer". Heh, heh, heh... then open "Remote
Places." Then open "Local Network", only to receive the msg "The Lisa daemon
does not appear to be running. In order to use the LAN browser, the Lisa
daemon must be installed and activated by the system administrator."

Uh, OK... where does one go from here? (NOT looking for answers from nix
folks, it's a rhetorical question.)

Is it so hard to put a "Network" icon on the desktop?

Is it so hard to have that functionality be transparent to the user? Is the
"Joe Normal" user going to know how to log on as administrator and install
and activate the Lisa daemon? Uh, no?

OK... this may appear to be an attack on nix... it's not, believe me. Were
one to have the time to determine how to install and activate the Lisa
daemon... well, no issue, right? One can figure it out -eventually-, right?

And, of course, I'm not saying that Vista is "issue free." That said... when
I install Vista, I get a "Network" icon on the desktop that takes me right
to the stuff I'm tryng to access. No "install Lisa daemon" stuff...

So, yeah, Vista's not "issue free." We all know it, and I'd be a dope to
claim otherwise.

And I -am- most interested in trying different nix distros; ones that might
be considered "Joe Normal" friendly.

Have yet to discover -that- nix distro.

And, no, don't tell me Ubutnu. Been there, done that.

Lang

Is this not just a pitiful attempt at trolling? To troll you need to
find a pro-Linux newsgroup and tell them that there OS of choice is no
good.

Here, you are dealing with people who are interested in WINDOWS so
they really don't give a rat's backside about your Linux
experience...or do you lack friends and try to make some by getting
them to empathise with you?

It's an OS and not a religion or lifestyle choice. If you are too
daft to figure it out, that is your problem. I was not and managed
to...but I am back with Windows for now because I was interested in it
and my work requirements are met by it. I have XP Pro in my office
which is alright when it is not installing updates, telling me that I
need to reboot, crashing programs, crashing itself and possible
getting a virus. At home I have Vista with which I get on just fine
for the most part.

Still use a Mac for some things. Sometimes miss Linux and fire up a
live CD just to refresh my memory. Does that make me a bad or
inadequate person?

Thanks.

Snuff

 

[Stephan Rose]

Is this not just a pitiful attempt at trolling? To troll you need to
find a pro-Linux newsgroup and tell them that there OS of choice is no
good.

Here, you are dealing with people who are interested in WINDOWS so
they really don't give a rat's backside about your Linux
experience...or do you lack friends and try to make some by getting
them to empathise with you?

It's an OS and not a religion or lifestyle choice. If you are too
daft to figure it out, that is your problem. I was not and managed
to...but I am back with Windows for now because I was interested in it
and my work requirements are met by it. I have XP Pro in my office
which is alright when it is not installing updates, telling me that I
need to reboot, crashing programs, crashing itself and possible
getting a virus. At home I have Vista with which I get on just fine
for the most part.

Still use a Mac for some things. Sometimes miss Linux and fire up a
live CD just to refresh my memory. Does that make me a bad or
inadequate person?

Frank would have you burned at the stake for it!

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[DanS]

I wrote a bunch of replies yesterday... for some reason, they didn't
make it out of my outbox... just sent them now... I was not ignoring
the first 10 or so responses... appears there are a few more now...

Lang

I never did get that whole move to outbox and send when I check thing.

When I click send, I want it to send !! Now !!

 

[Ian Betts]

No why should it, I use XP, Vista and Ubuntu but here it is for Vista users
questions.