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xfile

Does "Joe Average" go out, buy an OS, and install it on their computer?
No, "Joe Average" generally does not do that. Sure, there are
exceptions...but generally speaking, "Joe Average" simply goes out and
buys a computer with the OS pre-installed.

Agreed. So what is the point for the neverending OS advocacy in here?

What I am trying to get at is that everyone focuses too much on the one
thing that most uses do the list: "Installing the OS".

Not everyone. It's Linux advocates by asking people coming to here to
switch to a new OS.
And in that regard, I just recently set up a co-worker with Ubuntu who had
a WinXP install so horribly messed up it was beyond repair. His level of
technical knowledge is so low that he thought having 60
concurrently running malware, spyware and virus processes was normal. No,
I am not exaggerating. I counted them.Ya really think he would be able to
install any version of windows or would know where to even start? Even if
said installation were easier than say Ubuntu?
He's had absolutely zero problems with Ubuntu once I installed and
configured it. He just happily uses it. Reinstalling XP would have been
pointless as it would have been a matter of time until it became that
infected with crap again.


No doubt at all, and in this case, you are the OEM. I along countless
others suggested that you guys will have a better result by spending your
efforts on OEM's and application providers who then will deliver Linux as
part of a solution. Most people coming here to ask questions are end users
(a.k.a. Joe Average) and regulars are geeks who have determined already.

So again, what's the poing for annoying people here?
 
S

Stephan Rose

Agreed. So what is the point for the neverending OS advocacy in here?

Don't ask me, I don't know. =)
Not everyone. It's Linux advocates by asking people coming to here to
switch to a new OS.

I generally don't unless someone directs specific questions at me about it.
No doubt at all, and in this case, you are the OEM. I along countless
others suggested that you guys will have a better result by spending your
efforts on OEM's and application providers who then will deliver Linux as
part of a solution. Most people coming here to ask questions are end users
(a.k.a. Joe Average) and regulars are geeks who have determined already.

So again, what's the poing for annoying people here?

You'd need to ask Alias that....

I usually only answer to posts such as the one by the original poster if I
feel I have something to add to it that is constructive. I don't go around
posting "Get Ubuntu" to users with Vista Problems nor do I engage in
pissing contest like some people here like to do.

So dunno, can't really answer that question. =)

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xfile

Well, to be honest, you are just more skillful and careful than Alias but
what you two and others have been doing are pretty much the same. And it's
the same for Vista and MS fanbois.

I'm not a Vista or Microsoft fan and we are considering alternatives
including Linux for server side but certainly won't appreciate your
consistent preach on Linux.

Well, that's about it.
 
T

Tim Judd

xfile said:
Which part? And can you provide "specific" comments on it?

Not likely. Just one of those people who but in long enough to disagree
and then splits.
 
A

Alias

xfile said:
Which part? And can you provide "specific" comments on it?

"Linux are for techies"

I installed Ubuntu for a 74 year old lady who is no techie. She's very
happy with it and hasn't had a problem in over six months. With XP, she
was calling every week to have all the viruses and malware removed. Last
week, a friend installed it for a family with a six year old and an
eight year old. They love it and are not, by any stretch of the
imagination, techies.

Face it, Linux is ready for the general public. I know it and all the
Ubuntu and other flavors of Linux knows it and Microsoft knows it
(patents and all that jazz). Why don't the MS fanboys and girls know it?

The above also counters your theory that the "mainstream public" doesn't
want to switch to a new OS.

Alias
 
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Alias

Read my reply. Sorry it wasn't quick enough for you but I do other
things besides post here.

Alias
 
X

xfile

You are nothing close to an average user so does your friend and Stephan
Rose, and in all cases, you guys are the OEM for the user.

Just to be clear about one thing, I have nothing to against Linux and
nowhere did I ever say nor imply that Linux is not a good OS.

Which part of mainstream users want to have a "solution" that you don't
understand?

MS and Apple all do that with different ways and what makes you think that
you can fight against consumers?

I have a term reserved for people like you - technical arrogance.
 
A

Alias

xfile said:
You are nothing close to an average user so does your friend and Stephan
Rose, and in all cases, you guys are the OEM for the user.

Just to be clear about one thing, I have nothing to against Linux and
nowhere did I ever say nor imply that Linux is not a good OS.

Which part of mainstream users want to have a "solution" that you don't
understand?

MS and Apple all do that with different ways and what makes you think that
you can fight against consumers?

I have a term reserved for people like you - technical arrogance.

You're not making any sense.

Alias
 
M

MICHAEL

* Alias:
"Linux are for techies"

I installed Ubuntu for a 74 year old lady who is no techie. She's very
happy with it and hasn't had a problem in over six months. With XP, she
was calling every week to have all the viruses and malware removed. Last
week, a friend installed it for a family with a six year old and an
eight year old. They love it and are not, by any stretch of the
imagination, techies.

Face it, Linux is ready for the general public. I know it and all the
Ubuntu and other flavors of Linux knows it and Microsoft knows it
(patents and all that jazz). Why don't the MS fanboys and girls know it?

The above also counters your theory that the "mainstream public" doesn't
want to switch to a new OS.

Alias, while I agree with you in general about the readiness and
viability of Linux as a mainstream desktop OS, there are most definitely
times when I just think you're blowing smoke, or exaggerating.

WinXP and Vista can be secured properly so that critters and crapware
are not a problem. It's been a long time since I've had any type of
infection on any of my machines. When you were helping the older
lady with her computer when she had XP- did you not properly secure
it for her? Changing a few settings in IE can make big difference. Having
an AV, of course. And anti-spyware. But you know this. Did you do these
things for her? Of course, the best thing you could have done for her
was make her a Limited User account. I seriously doubt a 74 year-old lady
is going to need to mess around in the settings and/or install a bunch of
software. Especially, once you had her setup. I do think it's a good thing
that you have taken the time to help someone... an older person, especially.

When I see folks talk about how they are infected with so much garbage,
I cringe. Of course, it's possible. But there are effective means to properly
secure a Windows' machine, and with a little bit of user education, they can
stay infection free.

Recently I have been speaking up about Linux and especially, PCLinuxOS.
I really like PCLinuxOS. I don't dislike Ubuntu, but for me, PCLinuxOS just
"feels" better. I sincerely hope Linux keeps growing and I want them to
do well.... competition is *never* a bad thing, and I've never understood
why so many Microsoft fan-childs get so defensive. So many of them act
like Microsoft is their mommy or daddy, and when you offer criticism, it's
like you've attacked something sacred of theirs.... quite pitiful, really.
However, that also goes the other way, too. There are lots of die-hard Linux
users who have nothing but contempt for anyone who uses Windows, and
that's a shame, too.

I use Microsoft products and it may be awhile before I even seriously
consider leaving those products behind. I actually want Microsoft to be
better, to make a better OS, and deliver on their hype and promises.
While I do not think Vista is crap, I am quite disappointed, and this is not
coming from someone who tried it and gave up.... I've been using Vista regularly
since June 2006. All I can really say about Vista, it works and might be a bit
more stable than XP... once you get some kinks worked out. It's really not
any faster, and I strongly dislike the poor performance of Windows Explorer.
The expanded intrusions of DRM and WGA are a major concern, and probably
have a lot to do with some of Vista's performance problems. The many problems
folks seem to be having with reactivation just because someone across the street
farted, is getting beyond ridiculous.

Linux is ready now for many users who would like to switch, and it is
only getting better. Windows seems to be stagnant and may be getting
a bit stale. I welcome the competition- it will either make Microsoft better
or destroy them. Time will tell. Linux isn't going away, but behemoths like
Microsoft have come and gone throughout history. They either adapt and
innovate, or they die slow deaths.... think American car companies.

Anyway, that's my Sunday morning preachin'.


-Michael
 
X

xfile

Microsoft deliveries its OS mainly through OEM's and many of its products,
e.g. Office, is part of the solution or enhanced user experience (e.g. games
and hardware) of using the computers.

Techies, hobbyists, and enthusiasts are served as opninon leaders in the
ball game.

Promotions and educational materials are prepared sepcifically for business
and technical professionals as well as for average users.

At early stage, it partnershiped with Intel (not officially) so that it
would gain supports from the most critical hardware component and thus we
have this Wintel term.

Apple, known by everyone, deliveries the solution with everything built by
itself and focus on nice segments.

By the way, to be a nich segment player is not a bad thing. Many nice
products only serve nich segments for highly specialized people with special
tastes and needs, and we are also a nice player.

But if you want to go for the mass market, do it accordinly.

Finally, it is three of you that helped the user to install and configure
the system so that they could enjoy it and that makes you similar to an OEM
or system builder.

Which part doesn't make sense? It is your or Linux's business model doesn't
make any sense.
 
A

Alias

xfile said:
Microsoft deliveries its OS mainly through OEM's and many of its products,
e.g. Office, is part of the solution or enhanced user experience (e.g. games
and hardware) of using the computers.

Techies, hobbyists, and enthusiasts are served as opninon leaders in the
ball game.

Promotions and educational materials are prepared sepcifically for business
and technical professionals as well as for average users.

At early stage, it partnershiped with Intel (not officially) so that it
would gain supports from the most critical hardware component and thus we
have this Wintel term.

Apple, known by everyone, deliveries the solution with everything built by
itself and focus on nice segments.

By the way, to be a nich segment player is not a bad thing. Many nice
products only serve nich segments for highly specialized people with special
tastes and needs, and we are also a nice player.

But if you want to go for the mass market, do it accordinly.

Finally, it is three of you that helped the user to install and configure
the system so that they could enjoy it and that makes you similar to an OEM
or system builder.

Which part doesn't make sense? It is your or Linux's business model doesn't
make any sense.

Sorry, but I don't see the connection between the truisms above and
Ubuntu not being ready for the average computer user.

Alias
 
A

Alias

MICHAEL said:
* Alias:

Alias, while I agree with you in general about the readiness and
viability of Linux as a mainstream desktop OS, there are most definitely
times when I just think you're blowing smoke, or exaggerating.

Well, I'm only human :)
WinXP and Vista can be secured properly so that critters and crapware
are not a problem. It's been a long time since I've had any type of
infection on any of my machines. When you were helping the older
lady with her computer when she had XP- did you not properly secure
it for her?

Of course.
Changing a few settings in IE can make big difference.

We told her to use Fire Fox.
Having
an AV, of course. And anti-spyware. But you know this.

Yes, but she forgets to update the anti spyware. She has Avast! which
updates itself.
Did you do these
things for her? Of course, the best thing you could have done for her
was make her a Limited User account. I seriously doubt a 74 year-old lady
is going to need to mess around in the settings and/or install a bunch of
software.

You don't know this lady. She reinstalled eMule even though we told her
not to. Now she uses aMule in Ubuntu.

Especially, once you had her setup. I do think it's a good thing
that you have taken the time to help someone... an older person, especially.

When I see folks talk about how they are infected with so much garbage,
I cringe. Of course, it's possible. But there are effective means to properly
secure a Windows' machine, and with a little bit of user education, they can
stay infection free.

Only if they do what they're told.
Recently I have been speaking up about Linux and especially, PCLinuxOS.
I really like PCLinuxOS. I don't dislike Ubuntu, but for me, PCLinuxOS just
"feels" better. I sincerely hope Linux keeps growing and I want them to
do well.... competition is *never* a bad thing, and I've never understood
why so many Microsoft fan-childs get so defensive. So many of them act
like Microsoft is their mommy or daddy, and when you offer criticism, it's
like you've attacked something sacred of theirs.... quite pitiful, really.
However, that also goes the other way, too. There are lots of die-hard Linux
users who have nothing but contempt for anyone who uses Windows, and
that's a shame, too.

I use XP every day. I am not against Windows but some of the "features"
like WPA and WGA.
I use Microsoft products and it may be awhile before I even seriously
consider leaving those products behind. I actually want Microsoft to be
better, to make a better OS, and deliver on their hype and promises.
While I do not think Vista is crap, I am quite disappointed, and this is not
coming from someone who tried it and gave up.... I've been using Vista regularly
since June 2006. All I can really say about Vista, it works and might be a bit
more stable than XP... once you get some kinks worked out. It's really not
any faster, and I strongly dislike the poor performance of Windows Explorer.
The expanded intrusions of DRM and WGA are a major concern, and probably
have a lot to do with some of Vista's performance problems. The many problems
folks seem to be having with reactivation just because someone across the street
farted, is getting beyond ridiculous.

I agree entirely. My take on Vista when I played with is that it's XP SE.
Linux is ready now for many users who would like to switch, and it is
only getting better. Windows seems to be stagnant and may be getting
a bit stale. I welcome the competition- it will either make Microsoft better
or destroy them. Time will tell. Linux isn't going away, but behemoths like
Microsoft have come and gone throughout history. They either adapt and
innovate, or they die slow deaths.... think American car companies.

Anyway, that's my Sunday morning preachin'.


-Michael

I agree with most of this post. Like you said, time will tell and if MS
somehow realizes that most people are honest and removes the WPA and WGA
crap, it may not die a slow death.

Alias
 
F

Frank

Alias wrote:

I agree with most of this post. Like you said, time will tell and if MS
somehow realizes that most people are honest and removes the WPA and WGA
crap, it may not die a slow death.

Alias

Your "take" on Vista while you "played" with it on a store computer is
that it's "XP SE"?
You're clueless!
Totally clueless.
Frank
 
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Alias

Frank said:
Alias wrote:



Your "take" on Vista while you "played" with it on a store computer is
that it's "XP SE"?

My goodness, the man can read! Is there a full moon out in Virgina?

Alias
 
F

Frank

Alias said:
My goodness, the man can read! Is there a full moon out in Virgina?

Alias

Virgina...? You lost something in Virginia? You're fixated on Virginia?
You want to go to Virginia? Or is that simply a diversionary tacit to
change the subject matter that points out what a really clueless person
you are claiming playing with Vista in a store...don't make me laugh.
Also you've never supplied the phone number to that store where you
claim (lied) about...well, who cares...we've all got your number and
you're still clueless...totally clueless.
Frank
 
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Alias

Frank said:
Virgina...? You lost something in Virginia? You're fixated on Virginia?
You want to go to Virginia? Or is that simply a diversionary tacit to
change the subject matter that points out what a really clueless person

Your ISP is in Virgina. I assume you live near by.
you are claiming playing with Vista in a store...don't make me laugh.

You can laugh? Why would you doubt that? Stores want to sell Vista and
they let potential customers try it out. Not only did the nice clerk let
me try it out, he explained a lot of things about Vista that I might not
have seen by myself. They don't do that in the USA?
Also you've never supplied the phone number to that store where you
claim (lied) about...well, who cares...we've all got your number and
you're still clueless...totally clueless.
Frank

www.elcorteingles.es has all the phone numbers you want, your lame
attempt at trying to find out where I live notwithstanding.

Alias
 
M

Mike

Alias said:
I installed Ubuntu for a 74 year old lady who is no techie. She's very
happy with it and hasn't had a problem in over six months. With XP, she
was calling every week to have all the viruses and malware removed.

Sure she was. Why didn't just tell her to stop going to porn sites?

With your above drivel, you have lost whatever credibility you had left
- which wasn't much. You don't get "viruses and malware" every week
by using XP. It just doesn' happen. The only way it *can* happen is
by going to specific web sites - porn/hacking/pirate sites. You simply
don't get this stuff from real, legitimate web sites.

Mike
 
F

Frank

Alias said:
Your ISP is in Virgina. I assume you live near by.

It is? Hahaha...you don't know how to read a header do you? I couldn't
be farther away from Virginia unless I left the Continental limits of
the United States!
You can laugh? Why would you doubt that? Stores want to sell Vista and
they let potential customers try it out. Not only did the nice clerk let
me try it out, he explained a lot of things about Vista that I might not
have seen by myself. They don't do that in the USA?

Of course they have Vista loaded on in-store computers. They do not let
them connect to the Internet for obvious reasons which in my travels to
Europe, I have never seen them do in any store.
Also store computers, like most pre-loaded computers, don't come with
any really useful software.
In other words, the only real way to get a true feeling for Vista is to
load it, sit down and be productive with it. Something you've yet to do.

www.elcorteingles.es has all the phone numbers you want, your lame
attempt at trying to find out where I live notwithstanding.

You're afraid I'll come see you? A little paranoid huh?
What, or who are you so afraid of?
Who do you think you're hiding from?
Hahahah...sorry pal, I couldn't possibly care less about you or where
you live.
You're very unimportant to me.
Frank
 
M

Mike

Your ISP is in Virgina. I assume you live near by.

It is? Hahaha...you don't know how to read a header do you? I couldn't
be farther away from Virginia unless I left the Continental limits of
the United States![/QUOTE]

Alias is clearly not too bright. He obviously did a WHOIS lookup on
your IP address, which is owned by Road Runner. The address is listed
as Herndon, VA.

Unfortunately for Alias, he's *not* smart enough to figure out what
socal.res.rr.com means. Yes, that's about as far away from Virginia as
you can get without leaving the US!

Note to Alias. The address of record of the owner of an IP address
doesn't always relate to the location of the poster currently using said
IP address.

Mike
 

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