Outlook 2007 Release BROKEN!!

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Create Window

Attn. MS MVP's, Developers, Coders, etc.


Sorry for posing here but I need to raise awareness of a problem with Outlook 2007 confusing regular garden variety POP3 servers.

Netmon trace of IP traffic shows OL 2007 sending AUTH instead of USER

Trace of OL 2003 shows correct USER as first command (after TCP connect of port 110 of course).

So, can I ask if MS intend to release an update for that?

Guys, this is so bad that there will be a few million teddy bears out there who blindly upgrade to OL 2007 only to find that their POP3 email Send/Rec is 10% of its usual speed!!!!!

(Us MSDN people are already feeling the pain.)

Sending AUTH as the first command to most POP3 servers of course results in:

" -ERR An authentication mechanism MUST be entered"

As per..

+OK POP3 server ready.
AUTH
-ERR An authentication mechanism MUST be entered
USER x
+OK please send PASS command
Etc.

I have also seen "-ERR AUTH not valid in this state" from Microsoft's OWN POP3 Server on Windows Server 2003!!

This server, (mira.net) went into a SPIN ---- > **3 second timeout**!! after it got the new fangled "AUTH" command.


2007.01.02 13:04:47 POP3 (mira.net): Connected to host
2007.01.02 13:04:47 POP3 (mira.net): +OK POP3 Ready mailproxy2 0001bff0
2007.01.02 13:04:47 POP3 (mira.net): Authorizing
2007.01.02 13:04:47 POP3 (mira.net): [tx] AUTH

** note 3 seconds later **

2007.01.02 13:04:50 POP3 (mira.net): -ERR Mate, the command must be one of CAPA, USER, PASS or QUIT

I'll look at the RFC but remember OL 2003 does not do the AUTH thing. That's why it gets your mail fast. I have 8 POP3 accounts that OL 2003 used to query in a minute or two (with 80 spams downloaded of course). OL 2007 takes around 6 minutes.

(Plus, I reckon there are other problems in the UI threading... Typing new message locks up user interface if Send/Rec just happens.)

Someone please tell me I'm dreaming.

Hope this helps...

CW
 
T

Tom Willett

Did you post in the Outlook newsgroups?

Attn. MS MVP's, Developers, Coders, etc.


Sorry for posing here but I need to raise awareness of a problem with
Outlook 2007 confusing regular garden variety POP3 servers.

Netmon trace of IP traffic shows OL 2007 sending AUTH instead of USER

Trace of OL 2003 shows correct USER as first command (after TCP connect of
port 110 of course).

So, can I ask if MS intend to release an update for that?

Guys, this is so bad that there will be a few million teddy bears out there
who blindly upgrade to OL 2007 only to find that their POP3 email Send/Rec
is 10% of its usual speed!!!!!

(Us MSDN people are already feeling the pain.)

Sending AUTH as the first command to most POP3 servers of course results in:

" -ERR An authentication mechanism MUST be entered"

As per..

+OK POP3 server ready.
AUTH
-ERR An authentication mechanism MUST be entered
USER x
+OK please send PASS command
Etc.

I have also seen "-ERR AUTH not valid in this state" from Microsoft's OWN
POP3 Server on Windows Server 2003!!

This server, (mira.net) went into a SPIN ---- > **3 second timeout**!!
after it got the new fangled "AUTH" command.


2007.01.02 13:04:47 POP3 (mira.net): Connected to host
2007.01.02 13:04:47 POP3 (mira.net): +OK POP3 Ready mailproxy2 0001bff0
2007.01.02 13:04:47 POP3 (mira.net): Authorizing
2007.01.02 13:04:47 POP3 (mira.net): [tx] AUTH

** note 3 seconds later **

2007.01.02 13:04:50 POP3 (mira.net): -ERR Mate, the command must be one of
CAPA, USER, PASS or QUIT

I'll look at the RFC but remember OL 2003 does not do the AUTH thing. That's
why it gets your mail fast. I have 8 POP3 accounts that OL 2003 used to
query in a minute or two (with 80 spams downloaded of course). OL 2007 takes
around 6 minutes.

(Plus, I reckon there are other problems in the UI threading... Typing new
message locks up user interface if Send/Rec just happens.)

Someone please tell me I'm dreaming.

Hope this helps...

CW
 
D

DL

whats this got to do with win?

Attn. MS MVP's, Developers, Coders, etc.


Sorry for posing here but I need to raise awareness of a problem with Outlook 2007 confusing regular garden variety POP3 servers.

Netmon trace of IP traffic shows OL 2007 sending AUTH instead of USER

Trace of OL 2003 shows correct USER as first command (after TCP connect of port 110 of course).

So, can I ask if MS intend to release an update for that?

Guys, this is so bad that there will be a few million teddy bears out there who blindly upgrade to OL 2007 only to find that their POP3 email Send/Rec is 10% of its usual speed!!!!!

(Us MSDN people are already feeling the pain.)

Sending AUTH as the first command to most POP3 servers of course results in:

" -ERR An authentication mechanism MUST be entered"

As per..

+OK POP3 server ready.
AUTH
-ERR An authentication mechanism MUST be entered
USER x
+OK please send PASS command
Etc.

I have also seen "-ERR AUTH not valid in this state" from Microsoft's OWN POP3 Server on Windows Server 2003!!

This server, (mira.net) went into a SPIN ---- > **3 second timeout**!! after it got the new fangled "AUTH" command.


2007.01.02 13:04:47 POP3 (mira.net): Connected to host
2007.01.02 13:04:47 POP3 (mira.net): +OK POP3 Ready mailproxy2 0001bff0
2007.01.02 13:04:47 POP3 (mira.net): Authorizing
2007.01.02 13:04:47 POP3 (mira.net): [tx] AUTH

** note 3 seconds later **

2007.01.02 13:04:50 POP3 (mira.net): -ERR Mate, the command must be one of CAPA, USER, PASS or QUIT

I'll look at the RFC but remember OL 2003 does not do the AUTH thing. That's why it gets your mail fast. I have 8 POP3 accounts that OL 2003 used to query in a minute or two (with 80 spams downloaded of course). OL 2007 takes around 6 minutes.

(Plus, I reckon there are other problems in the UI threading... Typing new message locks up user interface if Send/Rec just happens.)

Someone please tell me I'm dreaming.

Hope this helps...

CW
 
C

Create Window

Yes.
Did you post in the Outlook newsgroups?

Attn. MS MVP's, Developers, Coders, etc.


Sorry for posing here but I need to raise awareness of a problem with
Outlook 2007 confusing regular garden variety POP3 servers.

Netmon trace of IP traffic shows OL 2007 sending AUTH instead of USER

Trace of OL 2003 shows correct USER as first command (after TCP connect of
port 110 of course).

So, can I ask if MS intend to release an update for that?

Guys, this is so bad that there will be a few million teddy bears out there
who blindly upgrade to OL 2007 only to find that their POP3 email Send/Rec
is 10% of its usual speed!!!!!

(Us MSDN people are already feeling the pain.)

Sending AUTH as the first command to most POP3 servers of course results in:

" -ERR An authentication mechanism MUST be entered"

As per..

+OK POP3 server ready.
AUTH
-ERR An authentication mechanism MUST be entered
USER x
+OK please send PASS command
Etc.

I have also seen "-ERR AUTH not valid in this state" from Microsoft's OWN
POP3 Server on Windows Server 2003!!

This server, (mira.net) went into a SPIN ---- > **3 second timeout**!!
after it got the new fangled "AUTH" command.


2007.01.02 13:04:47 POP3 (mira.net): Connected to host
2007.01.02 13:04:47 POP3 (mira.net): +OK POP3 Ready mailproxy2 0001bff0
2007.01.02 13:04:47 POP3 (mira.net): Authorizing
2007.01.02 13:04:47 POP3 (mira.net): [tx] AUTH

** note 3 seconds later **

2007.01.02 13:04:50 POP3 (mira.net): -ERR Mate, the command must be one of
CAPA, USER, PASS or QUIT

I'll look at the RFC but remember OL 2003 does not do the AUTH thing. That's
why it gets your mail fast. I have 8 POP3 accounts that OL 2003 used to
query in a minute or two (with 80 spams downloaded of course). OL 2007 takes
around 6 minutes.

(Plus, I reckon there are other problems in the UI threading... Typing new
message locks up user interface if Send/Rec just happens.)

Someone please tell me I'm dreaming.

Hope this helps...

CW
 
C

Create Window

Hi,

Just that this NG is moderated by nice people from MS and others. They will understand what I have disclosed and hopefully report to people in MS land ASAP before this becomes one of the biggest mistakes MS has accidentally done with Outlook - ever.


Yes I posted to Outlook group too.

Just trying to help.
Cheers,

CW


whats this got to do with win?

Attn. MS MVP's, Developers, Coders, etc.


Sorry for posing here but I need to raise awareness of a problem with Outlook 2007 confusing regular garden variety POP3 servers.

Netmon trace of IP traffic shows OL 2007 sending AUTH instead of USER

Trace of OL 2003 shows correct USER as first command (after TCP connect of port 110 of course).

So, can I ask if MS intend to release an update for that?

Guys, this is so bad that there will be a few million teddy bears out there who blindly upgrade to OL 2007 only to find that their POP3 email Send/Rec is 10% of its usual speed!!!!!

(Us MSDN people are already feeling the pain.)

Sending AUTH as the first command to most POP3 servers of course results in:

" -ERR An authentication mechanism MUST be entered"

As per..

+OK POP3 server ready.
AUTH
-ERR An authentication mechanism MUST be entered
USER x
+OK please send PASS command
Etc.

I have also seen "-ERR AUTH not valid in this state" from Microsoft's OWN POP3 Server on Windows Server 2003!!

This server, (mira.net) went into a SPIN ---- > **3 second timeout**!! after it got the new fangled "AUTH" command.


2007.01.02 13:04:47 POP3 (mira.net): Connected to host
2007.01.02 13:04:47 POP3 (mira.net): +OK POP3 Ready mailproxy2 0001bff0
2007.01.02 13:04:47 POP3 (mira.net): Authorizing
2007.01.02 13:04:47 POP3 (mira.net): [tx] AUTH

** note 3 seconds later **

2007.01.02 13:04:50 POP3 (mira.net): -ERR Mate, the command must be one of CAPA, USER, PASS or QUIT

I'll look at the RFC but remember OL 2003 does not do the AUTH thing. That's why it gets your mail fast. I have 8 POP3 accounts that OL 2003 used to query in a minute or two (with 80 spams downloaded of course). OL 2007 takes around 6 minutes.

(Plus, I reckon there are other problems in the UI threading... Typing new message locks up user interface if Send/Rec just happens.)

Someone please tell me I'm dreaming.

Hope this helps...

CW
 
R

Rock

Attn. MS MVP's, Developers, Coders, etc.

Sorry for posing here but I need to raise awareness of a problem with
Outlook 2007 confusing regular garden variety POP3 servers.

Netmon trace of IP traffic shows OL 2007 sending AUTH instead of USER

Trace of OL 2003 shows correct USER as first command (after TCP connect of
port 110 of course).

So, can I ask if MS intend to release an update for that?

<snip>

Why are you posting this here? It applies to Outlook 2007, so post to that
newsgroup.

You ask, "So, can I ask if MS intend to release an update for that? " Ask
MS, this is a peer to peer support newsgroup that deals with the XP OS. If
you are going to post to more than one group with the same message, then at
the least do it as a crosspost, sending to both at the same time, not a
multipost. And crossposting should only be done to a select few newsgroups
that are applicable.
 
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Rock

"Create Window" wrote

Hi,

Just that this NG is moderated by nice people from MS and others. They will
understand what I have disclosed and hopefully report to people in MS land
ASAP before this becomes one of the biggest mistakes MS has accidentally
done with Outlook - ever.

This group is not moderated. MS folks, on occasion, will post in here on
their own, but not as representing MS, and I haven't seen one in here for a
long time.
 
C

Create Window

OK

I'll try some more official channels. I guess I meant there are lots of nice people here & MVP's that can maybe "tell a friend" (who does work for MS).

I'll try some MSDN blogs etc.

Thanks,

CW


"Create Window" wrote

Hi,

Just that this NG is moderated by nice people from MS and others. They will
understand what I have disclosed and hopefully report to people in MS land
ASAP before this becomes one of the biggest mistakes MS has accidentally
done with Outlook - ever.

This group is not moderated. MS folks, on occasion, will post in here on
their own, but not as representing MS, and I haven't seen one in here for a
long time.
 
C

Create Window

OK Sorry ! :)

I DID post in OL NG first. But no one was understanding the problem. I was getting desperate.

There is an old story about a boy who had is finger in a leak stopping a dam breaking....

Keep your eye on CNET etc. once Outlook 2007 hits the shelves.

Thanks & sorry again.

CW






Attn. MS MVP's, Developers, Coders, etc.

Sorry for posing here but I need to raise awareness of a problem with
Outlook 2007 confusing regular garden variety POP3 servers.

Netmon trace of IP traffic shows OL 2007 sending AUTH instead of USER

Trace of OL 2003 shows correct USER as first command (after TCP connect of
port 110 of course).

So, can I ask if MS intend to release an update for that?

<snip>

Why are you posting this here? It applies to Outlook 2007, so post to that
newsgroup.

You ask, "So, can I ask if MS intend to release an update for that? " Ask
MS, this is a peer to peer support newsgroup that deals with the XP OS. If
you are going to post to more than one group with the same message, then at
the least do it as a crosspost, sending to both at the same time, not a
multipost. And crossposting should only be done to a select few newsgroups
that are applicable.
 

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