Order of installation of updates and SP2

G

Guest

I am going to have to do a clean install of XP Pro using a CD with SP1
included. I have downloaded and saved SP2. If necessary, I can download and
save all of the updates to a different hard drive prior to starting the clean
install. Or I can use the Windows Update. I will also be installing MS
Office XP.

After the basic installation using the CD, what is the best order of
installation for the video, sound and modem drivers, windows updates, SP2,
Office XP, and updates for Office XP?

Thanks in advance.
 
A

Alias

:I am going to have to do a clean install of XP Pro using a CD with SP1
: included. I have downloaded and saved SP2. If necessary, I can download
and
: save all of the updates to a different hard drive prior to starting the
clean
: install. Or I can use the Windows Update. I will also be installing MS
: Office XP.
:
: After the basic installation using the CD, what is the best order of
: installation for the video, sound and modem drivers, windows updates, SP2,
: Office XP, and updates for Office XP?
:
: Thanks in advance.

I ordered the SP2 CD. First I installed XP, did a clean up, chkdsk and a
defrag. Then I installed SP2 and did a clean up, chkdsk and a defrag again.
Then I put Office on and all the other programs, doing a clean up, chkdsk
and a defrag after each install. Finally, I installed the devices and it
runs like a dream.

Alias
 
G

Guest

Best thing to try is doing component updates first (video card etc) and then
installing SP2. After SP2 then install MS Outlook XP. I am sure you have
done it by now but that is my recommendation. :)
 
A

Alias

Oh, forgot about that step. Sorry about that.

Alias


: Best thing to try is doing component updates first (video card etc) and
then
: installing SP2. After SP2 then install MS Outlook XP. I am sure you have
: done it by now but that is my recommendation. :)
:
: "Greg" wrote:
:
: > I am going to have to do a clean install of XP Pro using a CD with SP1
: > included. I have downloaded and saved SP2. If necessary, I can
download and
: > save all of the updates to a different hard drive prior to starting the
clean
: > install. Or I can use the Windows Update. I will also be installing MS
: > Office XP.
: >
: > After the basic installation using the CD, what is the best order of
: > installation for the video, sound and modem drivers, windows updates,
SP2,
: > Office XP, and updates for Office XP?
: >
: > Thanks in advance.
 
G

Guest

I will probably be doing the clean install in a couple of weeks. I'm just
preparing mentally for it and what to get everything ready before I do it.

Is this the correct order?

1. XP (with SP1) from CD then clean-up, chkdsk and defrag
2. connect second HD (has old OS, so I wait to connect it until after
installing XP)
3. latest video driver, clean-up...etc.
4. latest sound driver, clean-up...etc.
5. latest modem driver, clean-up...etc.
6. SP2 (from a saved file , clean-up...etc.
7. MS Outlook XP, clean-up...etc.
8. MS Office XP and other programs with clean-up...etc. after each
9. Norton AV, clean-up...etc.
10. let Windows Update tell me if other updates are needed (I have it
prompt me, not automatic, and I disable the AV), clean-up...etc.
11. MS Office XP updates (with AV disabled), clean-up...etc.

Should I configure each program as I install it and then do the
clean-up...etc.?

At what point should I setup the identities? (I prefer to use Outlook
Express for E-mail, but would consider Outlook XP if it is better.)

Any changes?

Thanks
 
M

Mikey

Hi,
Xp.
SP2.
Latest D R I V E R S in your possession.

1- MsUpdate Site DISregarding any offers for drivers.

Select: Personalized Updating
Critical Security updates come 1st.
Optionals 2nd.
Shutdown, restart.

2- Returning to Ms to update the updates. (REAL)!

3- .NET framework and its updates(s).

ALL MsOffice Apps in your possession.

4- Windows Catalog: Updates for MsOffice Apps.

5- GDI tool, check for vulnerabilities of all Ms Apps installed==> Patches.

6- Install:

A- PROPER 2-wayS Firewall as the SP2's in only one way and I disable it.
b- Antivirus with latest defs.
c- SpybotSD "" "" ""
d- Ad-AwareSE "" "" ""
Scan with b, c, d.

7- Round: ReActualize your drivers collection.

Install Whatever.
Rescan as above

That's a start!!!

Cleanup the TMPs.
Defrag IF so inclined...and I won't get into THAT discussion.
 
A

Alias

: Defrag IF so inclined...and I won't get into THAT discussion.

What discussion? Are you against defragging? If so, why?

Alias
 
A

Alex Nichol

Greg said:
I am going to have to do a clean install of XP Pro using a CD with SP1
included. I have downloaded and saved SP2. If necessary, I can download and
save all of the updates to a different hard drive prior to starting the clean
install. Or I can use the Windows Update. I will also be installing MS
Office XP.

After the basic installation using the CD, what is the best order of
installation for the video, sound and modem drivers, windows updates, SP2,

After finishing installation, run the SP2 setup and reboot. Then apply
any up to the minute driver updates from the makers (especially video),

At this point get on the net to activate on the net at
Start - All Programs - Accessories - System Tools - Activate Windows
(which will go through on the net again in seconds). Then get on with
the Applications, like Office. There are only very few updates to SP2
as yet; look for them at the end on Windows update
 
M

Mikey

Hi Alias,
Re: Generic Defrag(s)l disccussing it.
Whether he does or not, on Fat32 or NTSF,
when, what he uses:
Original Win defrag, Diskeeper, OO, VoptXP; frequency regimen, actual
minimisation of trashing(s) using:
pagefile value(s)/location/optimisation;
environment variables,
temp files settings (system and Internet) and locale.;
#s of apps he tries, keeps and/or discard;
desktop and performance settings;
services in action
Each Pc in its own world!

Furthermore: EVEN Microsoft now debates/negates the illusionary boost!

SO: Enough per user variables makes no realistic/generic discussions valid.

He decides: PC will still function at 98% (who can give an actual figure?) of
what HIS settings will allow b4 defrag.


PS: I personally severely tested 3 Medium and Hi-end beds with over 450 000
files (45 000 were JPGs, GIFs, TIFs), their image manipulation apps, Office apps
and a real mish-mash of programs.

B4/After with any and all of the above "defraggers": Just couldn't tell!!!
 
M

Mikey

Hi;
Re: ...Babble Fish Translation...

I do NOT resent the depiction at all.
It was and I made it so.

My previous post was organized or so I assume.

The mish-mashed one represented the state of affairs concerning defragmentation:
the ramblings/rumblings in one's mind about who's right and what is the best
systemic procedure(s) to adopt.

So many "defragger" with totally different algorythms.

Conflicting reports about effects on perf. and trashing.

When and why and how often to allign the disks.

What is the pattern of usage for the ONE or the MANY users on the PC?
Does the pattern vary much?

I was a rigourous proponent of an established schedule.
Even favoured/glorified VoptXP as the best for the purpose. It still is in my
book.

DEFRAG: Microsoft relented on the suggested frequency, revised way-downwards its
benefits. Check the official Ms site(s) and "Google" on that.

Furthermore, one IRONIC point has not been discussed in detail.
Now the everyday user is more and more using an NT based OS: WinXP.

Follow me on this:
============
That OS has a "prefetcher" built into it.
This to increase the "snappiness" of the system.

Start with one brand new hard-disk on a brand new PC.
Install the latest WinXP version (with SP2 already integratred).
Add all your latest drivers.
Install SOME or ALL your apps but do not open any.

Get rid of all the *.tmp files you can.

Defrag now.

You never surfed the web yet.

No disputing the fact that the disk is organized or do I have it wrong
somewhat/somewhere?

Check the "C:\Windows/Prefetch" folder using the "My Computer" icon.
Just have look in there and count the "references" all the while watching any
"up-by-one" change to the count .
So you get an extra file on your freshly "primmed" disk just by being curious!

Open some apps, read some text's/html's/chm's, use the "Tour Windows".
Go to the "prefetcher" again.
How many references in there now?

Is the disk altered/fragmented?
If you say "NO" then where are the newly created files?

On the one hand, you have the defragmenter.
It's purpose is very clear.
On the other, the prefetcher.
It is active thru the life of the install.
There to also increase the response/snappiness/performance
BUT....
it FRAGMENTS your disk.

You say "all-right, rid the prefetcher of its references and defrag"?
Conflicting ain't it as you loose the purported performance increase?
Do or don't, you're doomed as there's a conflict of purposes/effects built into
your OS.

Then there's the matter of "Net Surfing".

"2 Cans of Worms" for further discussions (or BLAST)???

On a less serious note: I still defrag (more often than I really should?) but
with the basic Windows defragmenter.

Why fight it with a vengeance when the safest of applications alters your nice
organisation.
Factor in: Web, eMails, peer-to-peer, Netmeeting(s), LavaLife (jokingly) and all
the Malwares.

Bests to all (no distinctions) in this merry season for many.
 
C

cquirke (MVP Win9x)

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 03:12:19 -0500, "Mikey"
DEFRAG: Microsoft relented on the suggested frequency, revised
way-downwards its benefits.

That also varies with file system; it's expected to be less important
in NTFS than it is in FATxx, See http://cquirke.mvps.org/ntfs.htm

Best strategy:
- keep C: small and most gunk off C:
- reduce absurd IE web cache bloat, in all user accounts
- curb excessive SR useage
Then, before installing stuff, do this:
- defrag to consolidate free space
- set pagefile minimum to at least 512M

Defrag whenever:
- after you have just deleted or uninstalled large stuff
- before you install large stuff
- after you purge a directory full of a *large* number of items

The last is a biggie on FATxx, as this looks up dir entries in a
linear fashion. A long and fragmented cluster chain, bloated with
"deleted" ghost entries, means a long and slow critical window during
writes to that directory. Hopefully, defrag will purge the "deleted"
ghost entries and rebuild the dir as a small and contiguous chain.

As examples of the above, think:
- clearance of IE cache
- clearance of "FFF..." files in Windows dir after killing MDM.EXE
- clearance of junk in root, after certain virus attacks
- clearance of Temp directories
That OS has a "prefetcher" built into it.
This to increase the "snappiness" of the system.

True. But it takes time for the system to generate PF informtion, so
an early post-install defrag won't leverage PF to good effect.

That's why it takes a second defrag, some weeks after installing SP2,
to get back the speed you may have lost after installing SP2.
Start with one brand new hard-disk on a brand new PC.
Install the latest WinXP version (with SP2 already integratred).
Add all your latest drivers.
Install SOME or ALL your apps but do not open any.
Get rid of all the *.tmp files you can.
Defrag now.

Yep - and then, set your swap (pagefile) minimum.

The less RAM you have, the more swap you will *really* need, but some
settings can "need" more swap the more RAM you have (e.g. full memory
dump). Fast user switching can be expected to need more swap, the
more users and RAM you have (as each user's context is stored there)
You never surfed the web yet.

Drop IE's absurd web cache size before doing so.
No disputing the fact that the disk is organized or do I have it wrong
somewhat/somewhere?

The only drawback is that until the PC's been used in a typical manner
for a while, there isn't any useful PreFetch (PF) info to guide
Defrag's choices as to what goes where.
On the one hand, you have the defragmenter.
It's purpose is very clear.

It can be taken literally as "make sure all file and dir data cluster
chains are contiguous", or generally as "make the system run faster".
On the other, the prefetcher.
It is active thru the life of the install.
There to also increase the response/snappiness/performance
BUT.... it FRAGMENTS your disk.

Yes - because as of Win98, Defrag knows that deliberately fragmenting
code files, so that often used *parts* of those files are nearer the
"front" of the volume, can speed up the system.
Then there's the matter of "Net Surfing".

The biggest thing there is killing IE web cache bloat, which is
repeated in every iser account.

If you think about what web cache is supposed to do (speed up slow
connections when old material is re-read), it's obvious you don't need
much more than 40M web cache, tops. Any connection that can pull down
over 40M in a short enough period for the oldest to be still relevant,
is fast enough not to need web caching.

Large web caches that take months to delete the oldest items, will
cause significant fragmentation - not only because of all the tiny old
files that create "holes" when eventually deleted, but because even
when the cache uses multiple dirs, each dir will have a very long and
fragmented cluster chain that has to be fully traversed every time IE
needs to know that a name for a new item is unique. OUCH!


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