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Frank
Alias said:...Snip FUD to support the License Bait and Switch Con.
Alias
Stick with sheep...it's more your style...LOL!
Frank
Alias said:...Snip FUD to support the License Bait and Switch Con.
Alias
I have been thinking of this issue for a while. Not only for Microsoft but
for any software.
Any hardware, appliance, DVD, cd, vhs, furniture, house, car, etc. we can
buy/sell/trade to anyone but not software. Why is it that most digital
products with licenses cant be yard saled away like ma's old sewing machine?
What happened to the 9/10 rule? My car has a title, license if you will, and
I can sell it to anyone. My autographed babe ruth card has a certificate of
authenticity, license if you will, and I can sell it.
Many thanks to all. I have come to the conclusion that, as an amateur, I
will not purchase any OEM products; especially from eBay.
Also, I was once told that over 60% of all statistics are inaccurate. Figure
that one out!
I have NEVER bought a retail version of windows. All OEM on eBay.
Including 1 WIN 98 3 XP's and 1 Vista.
Buy from a dealer with decent feedback who has sold other copies of Vista
that you want.
I have transferred licenses from WIN 98 and Two XP licensees.
When and IF you have you have to do phone activation, tell them your HDD
died.
Not sure how this would pan out for Vista though.
Honest? Maybe not, but fair? I think so.
Donald L McDaniel said:You've probably made a very wise decision. I certainly commend you.
However, many cannot afford the retail price for Vista ($199-$399),
but can afford the OEM price ($119-$159). Which is why many,
especially those who build their own rigs, opt to pay for an OEM
License rather than a Retail license.
It's all about cash-flow, folks.
--
Donald L McDaniel
How can so many otherwise very intelligent people screw up
something so simple so badly? If you stick a computer
keyboard in front of most people, they'll suddenly drop
30 points off their IQs. Much like placing a "Pork Barrel"
bill in front of a politician: He'll forget all about
"cooperation" the minute he counts the zeroes before the
decimal point.
Donald said:You've probably made a very wise decision. I certainly commend you.
However, many cannot afford the retail price for Vista ($199-$399),
but can afford the OEM price ($119-$159). Which is why many,
especially those who build their own rigs, opt to pay for an OEM
License rather than a Retail license.
It's all about cash-flow, folks.
DM said:Actually I was just sitting here analyzing all the discussion on this
subject and realized something.
Some said if I push vista to my six year old machine, I would need at
least 2 gigs of RAM.
Hell, my new (six month old store bought preloaded OEM) machine only has
512 MB with vista. It needs 2 gigs??? Is that why many people on this
forum ask for tips to remove/shut down hidden services??
DM said:So what you're saying is every (most) OEMer knows this trend,
"never-ending ability...," they could account for it for all new software
when building machines. Say if MS says min req are 512, OEMers use 1 gig.
Or does this throw a different ripple in the time space continuum?
Thanks again to all. It's a good thing I am close to being a lawyer and can
read the legal mumbo jumbo in the clauses. Until now I really never looked
at the extra fine print. Always stopped at the hearsay, don't do this or
that. My fault for not asking the right people or reading before.
However, as I mentioned, I have other than Microsoft products "licenses"
that spell out can not be transferred/sold/etc. at all. After reading
everyone's replies, sounds like Microsoft is a little more consumer friendly
and isn't as greedy as other software companies.
But, now I know how to assess for a good product and vendor to buy that
product.
Also, like Alias mentioned, I think there is an educational issue with the
little guy "common end user" believing they are buying a product rather than
the agreement if you will.
Um, to buy a copy of a generic OEM, be it XP or Vista, one has to also
buy a CPU, RAM, hard drive and motherboard.
It certainly isn't about concern for the paying customer.
Alias
Donald L McDaniel said:I tend to agree. The problem is caused by a lack of education. But
this is certainly not Microsoft's fault in any way. Microsoft has
gone out of their way to educate their users.
So what you're saying is every (most) OEMer knows this trend, "never-ending
ability...," they could account for it for all new software when building
machines. Say if MS says min req are 512, OEMers use 1 gig.
Or does this throw a different ripple in the time space continuum?
Donald said:You know, "alias", sometimes you have a lot on the ball. But
sometimes you show your idiocy, such as claiming that one MUST
purchase "a CPU, RAM, hard drive and motherboard."
This is simply NOT SO!!!
Generic OEMs may be purchased by anyone, as long as he/she/it
purchases them with a "necessary hardware item". This may be
something as inexpensive as a power cord or cheapie mouse.
While OEM versions of Windows previous to XP required the purchase of
a motherboard, hd, or an entire Computer, with the release of XP, such
draconian requirements were softened considerably, to such an extent
that MANY local computer stores will sell such copies even without the
purchase of "a necessary hardware item", or will include that
"necessary hardware item" in the price of the product.
PLEASE, friend, STOP spreading F.U.D.
Ronnie Vernon MVP said:Gordon
Purchasing Software is like buying any other product. You wouldn't buy a
car, television set, home or anything else without making sure what your
rights as a consumer are.
Placing the EULA on the outside of the box just would not work. Microsoft
makes the EULA very easy to access.
Retail Software License Terms:
http://www.microsoft.com/about/legal/useterms/default.aspx
Gordon said:But NOT in the shop, where you buy it!
yes, if you know WHERE to look.
Most consumers do NOT know where to look for that....
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