OEM XP

[Steve N.]

I think this portion comes down to profit. Customer takes PC to System
Builder for component upgrade. If the upgrade meets the Microsoft criteria
of new computer. System Builder aquires new OEM License from MS...System
Builder sells new license because of Microsoft's defintion of a new
computer. $$$$

Think of it this way. If everyone upgraded their computer forever w/o
buying a new one...the only static part being the case.. and MS defined the
case as a new computer...They would not make any money. How will a case ever
be defective? Unless you drop a refrigerator on it. The oem license would be
pretty much like a per seat license. Tied to a person not specific
equipment.

So.. They define something that people will have to either change or replace
probably once in the lifetime of the computer. If they never have to replace
the mobo.. so MS doesnt lose any money because the person will just buy
another PC.. Probably with an OEM version of Windows.....

Anyone agree/disagree????

psg

Well, I agree basically, but I am the kind who upgrades hardware first
and OS last and I only upgrade if my actual computing needs/wants
warrant it, and never for the sake of keeping up with the tehnological
Joneses. The exception is when trying out new Linux distros but I don't
consider that upgrading, just switching and experimenting.

I'm certainly not against MS making their fair share of money, I don't
agree with a lot of their tactics, strategies and obvious push to
dominate computer users, though. It's not their right to tell me or
anyone else what constitutes MY computer, which is my point.

Steve

 

[Sunny]

I can purchase generic OEMs without any hardware all day long, available
online or in person.

http://www.appinformatica.com/

or

http://www.pcbox.com/catalogo/catalogo/default.asp?lan=es&cnt=es&familia=29

or

http://www.aplimatica.es/spa/subcategory/INFO>60025/INFO>25.html

Remember, Carey, this is an international newsgroup, not a USA newsgroup.
We don't allow WalMart in this part of the world.

Drop into any of the zillions of Computer "stores" in Malaysia, and you are
hard pressed to buy anything other than an OEM version.
(FWIW, Most of the "casuals" I spoke to manning a Microsoft stand, at a
Singapore IT expo, admitted using pirated copies of MS OS)

 

[kevin]

Sunny wrote:

Drop into any of the zillions of Computer "stores" in Malaysia, and you are
hard pressed to buy anything other than an OEM version.
(FWIW, Most of the "casuals" I spoke to manning a Microsoft stand, at a
Singapore IT expo, admitted using pirated copies of MS OS)

These pirated MS OS don't they need to be activated? How do they
by-pass Microsoft's much hyped anti-piracy measures? Everybody seems to
be using some form of activation and so piracy industry should be very
much under control by now and profits of monopolistic organizations
burgeoning pretty fast! What is the trick these people know that
majority of us don't?

 

[Steve N.]

Sunny wrote:






These pirated MS OS don't they need to be activated? How do they
by-pass Microsoft's much hyped anti-piracy measures? Everybody seems to
be using some form of activation and so piracy industry should be very
much under control by now and profits of monopolistic organizations
burgeoning pretty fast! What is the trick these people know that
majority of us don't?

M$'s anti-piracy measures have no effect on the real software pirates,
only on paying customers and so-called "casual piracy". It is intended
as a deterent to casual piracy, unfortunately it has the undesirable
effect of eventually screwing many paying customers, sometimes out of
more money for something they already paid for.

Now if you're asking for advice on pirating software you're definitely
asking in the _wrong_ newsgroup and should don flame retardant underwear
immediately.

Steve

 

[Sunny]

M$'s anti-piracy measures have no effect on the real software pirates,
only on paying customers and so-called "casual piracy". It is intended as
a deterent to casual piracy, unfortunately it has the undesirable effect
of eventually screwing many paying customers, sometimes out of more money
for something they already paid for.

I would like $1 for every "corporate" employee who "pirates" from their work
place.
(especially XP Pro) I could retire a real fat cat.

 

[Ron Martell]

I thought the counter reset after 120 days?

Where the motherboard issue really becomes significant is with the SLP
(= BIOS Locked) OEM versions now being used by pretty much all of the
major manufacturers. These versions are self-activating provided the
motherboard BIOS is from that specific OEM. Prior to 1 March 2005
they reverted to normal activation if used on a motherboard with a
different BIOS, but since that date they will no longer activate over
the Internet at all, and telephone activation requests will normally
be declined.

These OEM versions are therefore totally locked to the motherboard,
and it is often overlooked that the generic OEM versions of XP are not
BIOS locked and therefore are always activated over the Internet.

For the generic OEM versions I believe that the 120 reset still
applies, just as it does for retail versions.

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada

 

[kurttrail]

Where the motherboard issue really becomes significant is with the SLP
(= BIOS Locked) OEM versions now being used by pretty much all of the
major manufacturers. These versions are self-activating provided the
motherboard BIOS is from that specific OEM. Prior to 1 March 2005
they reverted to normal activation if used on a motherboard with a
different BIOS, but since that date they will no longer activate over
the Internet at all, and telephone activation requests will normally
be declined.

These OEM versions are therefore totally locked to the motherboard,
and it is often overlooked that the generic OEM versions of XP are not
BIOS locked and therefore are always activated over the Internet.

For the generic OEM versions I believe that the 120 reset still
applies, just as it does for retail versions.

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada

And all you really need to do to phone activate SLP Product Keys is to
tell the phone rep that you made your own slipstream WinXP SP2 CD and
used that to install/reinstall/repair install, and the will activate
you.

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