New oem rule for xp not known by some computer shops.

[GregRo]

New oem rule for xp not known by some computer shops.

I went into computer shop

One said I need to buy a motherboard and a case and I would get it for
free.

Another place said they have not heard of the new rule and added since
walmart is selling it with an oem with just a mouse, I can sell it
with any hardware I please.

It say in the new oem rule not for the end user unless he/she is
building a computer. (Technically, I think rebuilding would qualify)

I could legally buy a copy for this Compaq system. I basically
rebuilt by adding and replacing hardware


Greg Ro

 

[Bruce Chambers]

New oem rule for xp not known by some computer shops.

What new OEM rule?


An OEM license can be purchased with any non-peripheral hardware
component. (But, if I were you, I'd go back to the guy that'll give you
a free copy when you buy just a PC case; that'll be quite the bargain.)


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[Ken Blake]

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New oem rule for xp not known by some computer shops.

What new rule?

There's no new rule. The rule is the same as it's always been,
and not just for Windows XP. You can buy an OEM copy of you buy
it with qualifying hardware. End user, someone building a
computer doesn't matter.

 

[Alias]

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What new rule?

There's no new rule. The rule is the same as it's always been, and not
just for Windows XP. You can buy an OEM copy of you buy it with qualifying
hardware.

IF in the USA. In Spain, for example, no hardware needed.

Alias

End user, someone building a

 

[Ghostrider]

What new OEM rule?


An OEM license can be purchased with any non-peripheral hardware
component. (But, if I were you, I'd go back to the guy that'll give you
a free copy when you buy just a PC case; that'll be quite the bargain.)

I think he meant a motherboard and a case. But going around
to computer swap meets where many builders compete, the OS is
really the throw-in piece, or the price equalizer, when taking
into consideration all of the other parts that are going into
the system. Just how much is the mark up for a legitimate copy
of the Windows OS?

 

[Mak]

The OP is probably refering to this changes:

http://blogs.msdn.com/mssmallbiz/archive/2005/09/07/461950.aspx

" You will notice the loophole that people have been exploiting (the former
language which stated that an OEM desktop Operating System license could be
sold with "non-peripheral hardware,") is no longer in place. It is now very
simple and straightforward: an OEM license must be sold "only with a fully
assembled computer system." Loophole closed. "

 

[Kerry Brown]

What new OEM rule?

Starting August 2005 OEM XP software is available in 1 packs. The OEM EULA
was changed slightly at the same time. OEM 1 packs, 3 packs, etc. can be
sold to other OEM system builders without qualifying hardware. In addition
end users building their own system qualify as an OEM builder. If you have
an OEM account the details are available at http://oem.microsoft.com I'm
going from memory so the exact details should be checked. I was told
personally by a licensing rep that OEM 1 packs or unopened 3 packs could be
sold to an end user.

Kerry

 

[Kerry Brown]

In


What new rule?

There's no new rule. The rule is the same as it's always been, and not
just for Windows XP. You can buy an OEM copy of you buy it with qualifying
hardware. End user, someone building a computer doesn't matter.

There is a new OEM EULA as of August 2005. See my reply to Bruce Chambers.

Kerry

 

[kurttrail]

Starting August 2005 OEM XP software is available in 1 packs. The OEM
EULA was changed slightly at the same time. OEM 1 packs, 3 packs,
etc. can be sold to other OEM system builders without qualifying
hardware. In addition end users building their own system qualify as
an OEM builder. If you have an OEM account the details are available
at http://oem.microsoft.com I'm going from memory so the exact
details should be checked. I was told personally by a licensing rep
that OEM 1 packs or unopened 3 packs could be sold to an end user.

Kerry

But Walmart was selling one packs OEM copies of XP long before 08/2005,
and quite frankly, so was many, many, many web e-tailers.

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[GHalleck]

The OP is probably refering to this changes:

http://blogs.msdn.com/mssmallbiz/archive/2005/09/07/461950.aspx

" You will notice the loophole that people have been exploiting (the former
language which stated that an OEM desktop Operating System license could be
sold with "non-peripheral hardware,") is no longer in place. It is now very
simple and straightforward: an OEM license must be sold "only with a fully
assembled computer system." Loophole closed. "

Very interesting. My first thoughts as an OEM-builder and
OEM-VAR on receiving notification of this EULA update were:
....business as usual. No great deal. Always sold working
systems complete with OS plus anything else that the client
wanted. No significant impact. Just another document to keep
the Microsoft lawyers busy and employed.

IMO, this is one segment that Microsoft might not wish to
antagonize too greatly. It was the OEM's that developed into
the Compaqs, Gateways and Dells, and also the OEM's who pushed
MS-DOS and Windows. Imagine what would happen if the non-major
OEM's started a grassroots movement by installing Linux, open
systems and even providing non-antagonistic customer support?
We also need to stay busy and employed.

 

[GHalleck]

Kerry Brown wrote:

Starting August 2005 OEM XP software is available in 1 packs. The OEM EULA
was changed slightly at the same time. OEM 1 packs, 3 packs, etc. can be
sold to other OEM system builders without qualifying hardware. In addition
end users building their own system qualify as an OEM builder. If you have
an OEM account the details are available at http://oem.microsoft.com I'm
going from memory so the exact details should be checked. I was told
personally by a licensing rep that OEM 1 packs or unopened 3 packs could be
sold to an end user.

Kerry

Hmm...that was how I moved from end-user + home builder to OEM-
builder, as decreed by one of the Microsoft OEM distributors.
And that was back in 1989, and it has continued to supply me
with whatever I needed and whenever. Maybe there is still some
hope for the leadership at MS.

 

[Alias]

The OP is probably refering to this changes:

http://blogs.msdn.com/mssmallbiz/archive/2005/09/07/461950.aspx

" You will notice the loophole that people have been exploiting (the
former language which stated that an OEM desktop Operating System license
could be sold with "non-peripheral hardware,") is no longer in place. It
is now very simple and straightforward: an OEM license must be sold "only
with a fully assembled computer system." Loophole closed. "

I can buy an OEM all by itself with no hardware and no "assembled computer
system". I assume this quote of yours only applies to the USA and, if so,
being as this is an international news group, you should have stated so.

Alias

 

[Alias]

The OP is probably refering to this changes:

http://blogs.msdn.com/mssmallbiz/archive/2005/09/07/461950.aspx

" You will notice the loophole that people have been exploiting (the
former language which stated that an OEM desktop Operating System license
could be sold with "non-peripheral hardware,") is no longer in place. It
is now very simple and straightforward: an OEM license must be sold "only
with a fully assembled computer system." Loophole closed. "

Well, if that's the case, how come Walmart sells OEM licenses with just a
mouse?:

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/prod...=3954&type=19&dept=3944&path=0:3944:3951:3954

Alias

 

[GregRo]

Starting August 2005 OEM XP software is available in 1 packs. The OEM EULA
was changed slightly at the same time. OEM 1 packs, 3 packs, etc. can be
sold to other OEM system builders without qualifying hardware. In addition
end users building their own system qualify as an OEM builder. If you have
an OEM account the details are available at http://oem.microsoft.com I'm
going from memory so the exact details should be checked. I was told
personally by a licensing rep that OEM 1 packs or unopened 3 packs could be
sold to an end user.

I thought it could only be sold to the end user if building or
rebuilding a system or given freely with a preinstalled system. That
is the way I understand the new rule.


Greg Ro

 

[Alias]

I thought it could only be sold to the end user if building or
rebuilding a system or given freely with a preinstalled system. That
is the way I understand the new rule.


Greg Ro

Walmart sells them to end users with only a mouse. Here in Spain, all the
computer stores sell them to end users without any hardware at all.

Methinks, the blog is full of sh*t.

Alias

 

[Kerry Brown]

But Walmart was selling one packs OEM copies of XP long before 08/2005,
and quite frankly, so was many, many, many web e-tailers.

Was just stating what I have been told by Microsoft. I'm assuming that
Walmart will switch to the new 1 pack OEM package when their current
inventory runs out. I haven't even seen the 1 pack yet. It may not even be
available yet. I think the key is that Microsoft wants whomever is building
the computer to break the seal on the OEM pack. Breaking the seal means to
Microsoft that you agree to the EULA. The OEM EULA clearly says that the
system builder is responsible for support. Currently if you buy a multi pack
of OEM XP and then split it up and sell individual pieces the end user never
sees the OEM EULA.

Kerry

 

[Kerry Brown]

I thought it could only be sold to the end user if building or
rebuilding a system or given freely with a preinstalled system. That
is the way I understand the new rule.

That is my understanding as well. There is a tutorial on the OEM site that
clearly says this. All the end user has to do is say "I'm building a new
system". How are you to know if this is true or not. I think that Microsoft
is only interested in making sure that whomever gets hold of an OEM package
also gets the OEM EULA with it. They are very clear that OEM's can only sell
unopened OEM packs of Windows XP. Opened packs, OEM Office etc. must be
installed on a new or rebuilt PC. According to the EULA you cannot even sell
a barebones PC and give them the software without installing it, unless of
course it is an unopened 1 pack of OEM XP and they tell you they are
building a different system.

Kerry

 

[Alias]

Breaking the seal means to Microsoft that you agree to the EULA.
Kerry

You break the seal BEFORE you get to read the EULA so that's absurd.

Alias

 

[Kerry Brown]

You break the seal BEFORE you get to read the EULA so that's absurd.

The EULA is on the outside of the OEM packs. Your anti-MS prejudice is
showing. They are not my favourite company either but in this case I think
they are trying to right a wrong. Previously an unsuspecting user may have
purchased an OEM version of XP and expected support from Microsoft. Now at
least they will have a chance to read the EULA before opening the software.
If they don't agree they can return it. Microsoft is making legitimate what
many retailers were doing anyway and at least trying to make sure that the
end user understands the implications of installing OEM software. If you
have ever seen an unopened OEM pack it is very hard to miss the EULA.

Kerry

 

[kurttrail]

The EULA is on the outside of the OEM packs. Your anti-MS prejudice is
showing. They are not my favourite company either but in this case I
think they are trying to right a wrong. Previously an unsuspecting
user may have purchased an OEM version of XP and expected support
from Microsoft. Now at least they will have a chance to read the EULA
before opening the software. If they don't agree they can return it.
Microsoft is making legitimate what many retailers were doing anyway
and at least trying to make sure that the end user understands the
implications of installing OEM software. If you have ever seen an
unopened OEM pack it is very hard to miss the EULA.

As long as MS doesn't use this "new" policy to hold people to the BS
policies on the password-protect SB OEM site, specifically the notion
that the Mobo = Computer, which is neither stated in the EULA, or the
SBLA.

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