O.T. Backup suggestions

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BillW50

It should have something suitable for USB1.1 or USB2 at
least. I don't know what the USB3 support is like.

I don't know about Macrium, but Acronis always has a problem with some
USB chipsets. Oh it works perfectly until it comes to restoring. Some
USB drives just disappear, some are there sometimes (try rebooting until
it sees it), and some it always works with.
... Cloning also potentially takes more time, depending on the tool
used.

In my experience, no. Although you can do sector by sector cloning and
then it has to clone everything and that takes longer. Although ignoring
the free space is just as fast as backing up and usually takes less
time. Since the computer doesn't have to work on compression, since
there are none when cloning.
 
P

Paul

BillW50 said:
In my experience, no. Although you can do sector by sector cloning and
then it has to clone everything and that takes longer. Although ignoring
the free space is just as fast as backing up and usually takes less
time. Since the computer doesn't have to work on compression, since
there are none when cloning.

If you clone without considering the white space, there could be
information leakage.

If I was using a software product, which does "intelligent sector copy",
I would zero the destination disk first.

dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda

That overwrites the destination disk. Later, the unused sectors
will be full of zeros.

Acronis Clone step...

That step, copies only the occupied sectors, from one disk
to another. It does not define the unused sectors. A forensic
expert could sift through your unused sectors, looking for
old files on the destination disk and so on.

So no, strictly speaking, an "intelligent" clone operation
(which takes less time), isn't complete. It leaves old sectors
around, in the white space areas, while copying the active files
from the source disk. Depending on what you're doing, and
who you are, this could be a liability.

I know at least a couple people in these newsgroups, who
are paranoid enough to worry about this. For the rest,
the distinction is a "don't care" situation.

If you clone this way, it copies all the sectors, and
the only information leakage, is whatever illicit content
is on the white space of the source drive.

dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb

And that example is not proper Windows syntax, but is
intended to illustrate what I'm talking about. That's
shorthand for a full, disk-to-disk copy, of every sector.

You can easily overwrite the white space on your partitions
with zeros, even on a running disk, so if you're worried about
the undeleted sectors on a drive, they can be cleaned up.
This is not as good as using Heidi Eraser (as some of your
files could actually be stored in the $MFT), but it's
a big improvement over doing nothing.

dd if=/dev/zero of=E:\bigfile.bin

What that would do, is run until all free space
is full on E:. Then, after the command has failed
(because it "ran out of space"), you drag the new
E:\bigfile.bin to the Trash. The end result, is
minty fresh (zeroed) white space on the E: partition.
That method works fine for NTFS.

For FAT32, it requires a small obvious modification.
I have a script to overwrite the white space on my
FAT32 partition. Each line zeros out a ~4GB chunk
of white space. You need to create enough of these,
do finish the job (i.e. run until partition is "full").

dd.exe if=/dev/zero of=E:\big01.dd bs=65536 count=65535
dd.exe if=/dev/zero of=E:\big02.dd bs=65536 count=65535
....

I zero white space on occasion, as a step before making
a clone copy of a disk drive (as a means of backup). It
aids in the compression step(s) that comes later.

Most of my backups here, are efficient .mrimg ones.
But I also happen to make (infrequently), full disk
clone-style images. Just... in... case...
And the white space on those clone-style images,
is minty fresh and full of zeros. It means my
imaged drive, can be stored in about 60GB of
space after compression. And can be restored
from Linux (which has a copy of 7ZIP to do
the decompression step in a pipelined command).

Paul
 
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Mark Twain

Hello Paul,

I did as you suggested and found the E:/
drive but after clicking next it gave me this:

Path 'E:/' does not exist.

Click 'Create Folder' to create the folder now

Click 'Continue' to use this path anyway

Click 'Cancel' to enter a different path

I selected create folder and it came back with
'Device not ready'. I had the external HD plugged
in with the indicator light on.

In passing, the safely remove HD feature doesn't
appear on the lower right in this mode.

I then clicked 'Continue' and it gave me the following:

Summary:

Backup type Auto
Destination: E:/{IMAGEID} -00.00.mring
Auto Verify N
Max. filesize Automatic
Compression Medium
Password N
Intelligent copy Y
Power saving N
Total selected 96.87 GB


Operation 1 of 3

Hard Disk 1
Drive letter N/A
File system 16 -Bit FAT
Label Dell Utility
Size 39.1 MB
Free 39.0 MB
Used 116 KB

Operation 2 of 3

Hard Disk 1
Drive letter D
File system NTFS
Label Recovery
Size 24.67 GB
Free 11.63 GB
Used 13.04 GB


Operation 3 of 3

Hard Disk 1
Drive letter C
File system NTFS
Label OS
Size 906.80 GB
Free 822.97 GB
Used 83.83 GB

Not knowing if this was ok or not to proceed I decided
to cancel it.

Robert
 
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Paul

Mark said:
Hello Paul,

I did as you suggested and found the E:/
drive but after clicking next it gave me this:

Path 'E:/' does not exist.

Click 'Create Folder' to create the folder now

Click 'Continue' to use this path anyway

Click 'Cancel' to enter a different path

I selected create folder and it came back with
'Device not ready'. I had the external HD plugged
in with the indicator light on.

In passing, the safely remove HD feature doesn't
appear on the lower right in this mode.

I then clicked 'Continue' and it gave me the following:

Summary:

Backup type Auto
Destination: E:/{IMAGEID} -00.00.mring
Auto Verify N
Max. filesize Automatic
Compression Medium
Password N
Intelligent copy Y
Power saving N
Total selected 96.87 GB


Operation 1 of 3

Hard Disk 1
Drive letter N/A
File system 16 -Bit FAT
Label Dell Utility
Size 39.1 MB
Free 39.0 MB
Used 116 KB

Operation 2 of 3

Hard Disk 1
Drive letter D
File system NTFS
Label Recovery
Size 24.67 GB
Free 11.63 GB
Used 13.04 GB


Operation 3 of 3

Hard Disk 1
Drive letter C
File system NTFS
Label OS
Size 906.80 GB
Free 822.97 GB
Used 83.83 GB

Not knowing if this was ok or not to proceed I decided
to cancel it.

Robert

It should be "E:\".

Double check that you let the automation select the name.

Otherwise, it looks like a more or less default
backup of all partitions.

You can let it go and give it a try, once you
correct the slash type to a "backslash".

Paul
 
M

Mark Twain

Hello Paul,

I tried it again and everything was the
same as before but this time I clicked
finish to create a backup and it gave me
this:

Backup Aborted! None of the specified
locations could be written to (I had selected
E:\ as the destination)

Also a Macrium Reflect pop-up appeared
with:

An error has occurred. Please see the history
log for more details.

I looked for a history log but couldn't find it.

Honestly, this is getting as involved as if my
computer were infected. I thought creating a
backup was straight forward.

Robert
 
P

Paul

Mark said:
Hello Paul,

I tried it again and everything was the
same as before but this time I clicked
finish to create a backup and it gave me
this:

Backup Aborted! None of the specified
locations could be written to (I had selected
E:\ as the destination)

Also a Macrium Reflect pop-up appeared
with:

An error has occurred. Please see the history
log for more details.

I looked for a history log but couldn't find it.

Honestly, this is getting as involved as if my
computer were infected. I thought creating a
backup was straight forward.

Robert

When I run my copy of Macrium from within Windows,
there is a "Log" tab up near the top.

http://i60.tinypic.com/ftq7bp.gif

Clicking an item, such as the "VSS.log" entry shown
in my picture, displays the contents of the log file
in the right hand pane of the window.

Have a look in your latest logs, and see what
is the matter with your setup.

Paul
 
M

Mark Twain

Hello Paul,

When running Macrium via the Recovery
CD the Log tab doesn't appear. I then
realized that I don't need the Recovery
CD to create a backup and maybe that's
why I wasn't seeing the Log tab which
proved correct.

So I started Macrium and tried doing a
backup this is what it gave me:

1q3ja8.png


2ciy2r.png


2q0n3g2.png


Robert
 
M

Mark Twain

Hello Paul,



When running Macrium via the Recovery

CD the Log tab doesn't appear. I then

realized that I don't need the Recovery

CD to create a backup and maybe that's

why I wasn't seeing the Log tab which

proved correct.



So I started Macrium and tried doing a

backup this is what it gave me:



1q3ja8.png




2ciy2r.png




2q0n3g2.png




Robert

p.s. It says at the bottom that E:\ device was not
ready but I had it plugged in and the indicator light
was on.
 
P

Paul

Mark said:
Hello Paul,



When running Macrium via the Recovery
CD the Log tab doesn't appear. I then
realized that I don't need the Recovery
CD to create a backup and maybe that's
why I wasn't seeing the Log tab which
proved correct.

So I started Macrium and tried doing a
backup this is what it gave me:

1q3ja8.png


2ciy2r.png


2q0n3g2.png


Robert

p.s. It says at the bottom that E:\ device was not
ready but I had it plugged in and the indicator light
was on.

http://kb.macrium.com/KnowledgebaseArticle50163.aspx

The NTFS file permissions of the destination directory may have changed.

What you can try doing is go to E:\ and create a folder.

E:\backup_attempt

Then point Macrium at E:\backup_attempt and
see if that works.

It could be some sort of Windows 7 permissions problem.

I'm pretty sure I've done a backup to the root of
my D: drive from Windows 8. Which could have had the
same problem here. But that seemed to work. I'm never
had a permissions problem with the output of Macrium.

I don't know of any magic way to make E: "ready". You could
list it in File Explorer or create a new file or folder,
to check that the disk is still responding. But it would be
pretty hard to race from one application to another, and
ensure the disk is still awake when Macrium actually needs
to do the first write. The Macrium backup needs to scan the
source disks first, before the actual backup starts. THere
may be a delay of a few seconds to a minute, before it
attempts to write to E:\ .

Paul
 
M

Mark Twain

Hello Paul,

I'm embarrassed to say that it was
all due to my error of pointing to
the wrong drive, 'E' instead of 'I'.

To make a long story short; I
successfully completed a 'Image'
backup. So we know the Recovery CD
works and I can backup.

Now I just need to buy some CD-R's
and do the same for the 8200.

I want to thank you for your time,
patience, exceptional help and in
depth instructions and taking the
time to explain things so I understand
a little better. I appreciate all you've
done.

Many Thanks,
Robert
 
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Paul

Mark said:
Hello Paul,

I'm embarrassed to say that it was
all due to my error of pointing to
the wrong drive, 'E' instead of 'I'.

To make a long story short; I
successfully completed a 'Image'
backup. So we know the Recovery CD
works and I can backup.

Now I just need to buy some CD-R's
and do the same for the 8200.

I want to thank you for your time,
patience, exceptional help and in
depth instructions and taking the
time to explain things so I understand
a little better. I appreciate all you've
done.

Many Thanks,
Robert

Good to hear you've figured it out.
I never would have guessed it decided
to use a different drive letter.

The other drive letters (E/F/G/H) were
probably used up by your card reader, and
that's why the external drive became the
letter "I".

Paul
 
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BillW50

Good to hear you've figured it out.
I never would have guessed it decided
to use a different drive letter.

The other drive letters (E/F/G/H) were
probably used up by your card reader, and
that's why the external drive became the
letter "I".

There are utilities out there that corrects these drive letter
reassigning. One of the ones I like is called Zentimo (not free). As you
can assign one device to use one drive letter and nothing else can use
it even if the device is currently not connected. Plus it will hide
drive letters from devices without any media like empty card readers,
etc. if you prefer.
 

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