Need a way to see employeed surfing habits

[Leythos]

Able to elaborate, or are you restricted to 5 word comments by the
authorities?

I think it was clear to all of us in the group that have been ethical
and honest employees, managers, and business owners.

 

[Rob Moir]

Just guessing,...but maybe Jon and Bob have been fired a time or two over
abusing their usage rights and just have a chip on their shoulder. This
whole theory X & Y thing is just psycho-babble to me. I live in the real
world, and in the real world, people will do whatever they think they can
get away with.

Just my opinion....

Possible. I was going for "still in college" myself but you could be
correct...

 

[Jon]

And it would appear, (sorry, I snipped the rest of your post since your
bent can be derived from the part I quoted) that you are an employee
level and not a business owner or manager.

You deduce wrongly.

 

[Leythos]

Working for Wand-TV your vested interests are clear in perpetuating the myth
of the suspicious "could-be-a-crook" employee that you in the
corporate-controlled media are paid to exploit on a daily basis.

Jon, my job as a network engineer and security expert is to protect the
company (clients) from all manner of threats.

You appear to be a disgruntled employee that (like the kids today)
believes the Employer OWES you something other than a pay-check - they
don't.

Once you lean that the people you work for only owe you a wage IF you do
the work they specify, you will be a lot happier.

Before email and web surfing at work there was pently of creativity,
plenty of work getting done, and people were as happy.

With your average employee not needing external email or external web
access, most of them that get it will abuse it - most companies tolerate
that abuse to a limited extent - when it impacts the business they have
every right to discipline the offenders. Since, in the USA, you have no
right to privacy on company resources, you have no complaint.

 

[Leythos]

You deduce wrongly.

Your posts show that I'm right.

 

[Jon]

Your posts show that I'm right.

Certainly right-wing. Beyond that, no

 

[Jon]

Actually that's less than completely true. The legal
principle involved is called "respondeat superior" and imposes
a certain amount of vicarious liability on an employer.

Ok, well (unllike some of other comments I could mention) this is both
interesting and informative. Not being a lawyer too, I subsequently found a
good article on Wikipedia that explains this legal term 'respondeat
superior'. Hopefully 'Wikipedia' will continue to remain on the list of
websites that are "approved" for the general masses ;-)


Respondeat superior
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respondeat_superior

 

[Phillip Windell]

Certainly right-wing. Beyond that, no

Me being "right-wing" down to my bone marrow,...you really sound "left-wing
anti-establishment" to me. A real "stick-it-to-The Man" type.

--
Phillip Windell
www.wandtv.com

The views expressed, are my own and not those of my employer, or Microsoft,
or anyone else associated with me, including my cats.
-----------------------------------------------------

 

[Leythos]

Ok, well (unllike some of other comments I could mention) this is both
interesting and informative. Not being a lawyer too, I subsequently found a
good article on Wikipedia that explains this legal term 'respondeat
superior'. Hopefully 'Wikipedia' will continue to remain on the list of
websites that are "approved" for the general masses ;-)


Respondeat superior
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respondeat_superior

Liability is just one issue, and it's not even the most important one.
Most abuse (personal time at work) could be considered theft if you were
paid for that time. You also have the more serious issue of network
security.

Remember, they call it WORK for a reason.

 

[+Bob+]

You are very wrong, having done this for decades myself.

No, you are wrong. But don't take my word for it. Go educate yourself
at Harvard, or Yale, or the Sloan school and see what they teach you.

 

[+Bob+]

Jon, my job as a network engineer and security expert is to protect the
company (clients) from all manner of threats.

You appear to be a disgruntled employee that (like the kids today)
believes the Employer OWES you something other than a pay-check - they
don't.

You appear to be an ignorant, home grown business person who doesn't
have a clue about proper management. Classic "theory x - employees
will are lazy and don't want to work unless closely supervised".

 

[+Bob+]

Possible. I was going for "still in college" myself but you could be
correct...

You're both assuming things for which you have no basis in facts. I
hope no one pays you to make decisions under uncertainty because you
don't have a clue.

FWIW, I've never been fired from a job in my life. Instead, I've been
begged to stay when announcing my departure. My employees and
contractors have always been thrilled to work for me and were
incredibly motivated and productive.

As for theory-x and theory-y being psycho-babble to you: It's not
surprising that you can't understand it as you're drowning in your own
ignorance.

 

[Bruce Chambers]

No, you are wrong. But don't take my word for it. Go educate yourself
at Harvard, or Yale, or the Sloan school and see what they teach you.

I've a better idea: Try educating yourself by getting a job and seeing
how actual employees and managers actually behave, rather than relying
on academic theories.


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killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot

 

[+Bob+]

If you want to work for a company that does everything the way you want
it, allows all the abuse of company resources, costs the company money
for your personal freedom, then start your own company and watch it
fail.

The combined experience of the most successful companies in the world
directly contradicts your uneducated assumption about people and how
to get maximum productivity from them.

 

[Paul]

Thanks for everyone's help. Yes, I was merely asked to look into it.
I don't really don't care what sites people are looking at personally,
so don't give me a hard time about being big brother! I'm just
following orders.

I have still not found a good way of doing what I need without:

- installing a proxy
- installing an app on the workstations
- using a new router / firewall

But I'll keep searching! That said, I'll look into Squid - but to be
honest I don't have time to start installing anything really heavyduty
for this...

 

[Leythos]

No, you are wrong. But don't take my word for it. Go educate yourself
at Harvard, or Yale, or the Sloan school and see what they teach you.

And you should get out of a "teaching" environment and see how it works
in the real world that the rest of us live in.

 

[Leythos]

You appear to be an ignorant, home grown business person who doesn't
have a clue about proper management. Classic "theory x - employees
will are lazy and don't want to work unless closely supervised".

And, unlike you, having owned my own business and worked for many
businesses that do have LAZY EMPLOYEES, employees that believe they are
more important than the company, employees that believe the company owes
them more than wage and safe place to work, etc....

Get out of that Hypothetical box and experience the real work and you
will have a much different tune.

 

[Leythos]

As for theory-x and theory-y being psycho-babble to you: It's not
surprising that you can't understand it as you're drowning in your own
ignorance.

You did notice that you're calling it "Theory" and not "X", showing that
it's just an idea and that you don't have enough experience in the REAL
WORLD to know that many employees DO break the rules, do waste time on
the internet, to steal from the company, do sleep on the job, do many
things which are not productive.

You also seem to be missing the FACT that people were and are creative
without internet access.

 

[Leythos]

I've a better idea: Try educating yourself by getting a job and seeing
how actual employees and managers actually behave, rather than relying
on academic theories.

That's what we've been telling you - since most of us travel the country
working for different companies, we have the experience you are lacking.

Try working for places for a while and then come tell us that none of
the employees abused company resources. It's simple enough to block
access and it doesn't take much, and it doesn't impact the honest
employees, only the bad ones.

 

[Leythos]

The combined experience of the most successful companies in the world
directly contradicts your uneducated assumption about people and how
to get maximum productivity from them.

And what companies would that be?

I have yet to find a large company that doesn't implement some policy or
filtering to curb abuses by employees.