msn hotmail (http) setup

[bonk]

How can I setup windows mail (public beta 2) to work with my "msn hotmail
plus" account I can only choose pop3 or imap but for msn I would need http
....

 

[Jim Pickering]

HTTP mail accounts are not supported in Windows Mail in Vista. There are no
plans to incorporate it in the future due to security issues with the WebDAV
protocol. You will have to use either the web interface or the Windows Live
Mail Desktop (which is currently in public beta). See http://www.live.com/

 

[Mark D. VandenBerg]

Also not mentioned by Jim, is that since Hotmail is "Ad-Supported,"
Microsoft must, in order to ensure the generation of money through the ads,
make it so that users of Hotmail must use a mail client that shows ads. I
am in no way trivializing the security issues as mentioned by Jim, or
editorializing or in anyway giving an opinion about Ad-Supported
applications; merely pointing to the adopted business model and making a
logical conclusion. It would be bad business for any company to have an
Ad-Supported application and also a method for users to bypass the ads.

 

[Jim Pickering]

When the Live Desktop app comes out of beta, it is planned that "paid or
premium" accounts will be able to block the ads from within the program.
Also a proficient user can already block them if they understand how to use
a HOSTS file and a quick Google search would reveal this to anyone with a
browser:
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm

 

[mikeyhsd]

you can use HotPop to retrieve HOTMAL in Vista.



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How can I setup windows mail (public beta 2) to work with my "msn hotmail
plus" account I can only choose pop3 or imap but for msn I would need http
....

 

[Mark D. VandenBerg]

When the Live Desktop app comes out of beta, it is planned that "paid or
premium" accounts will be able to block the ads from within the program.

Great! So I can use Live Desktop with my Adelphia account, or my own POP3
account from my own server and not view ads? I'll not hold my breath.

Of course MSFT would turn the ads off for people who use premium MSN HTTP
accounts, since there's no need to double-dip the user. That would be
greedy.

Also a proficient user can already block them if they understand how to
use a HOSTS file and a quick Google search would reveal this to anyone
with a browser:
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm

Also wonderful to know that MSFT is not being nefarious in how it embeds the
ads. And sure, if we start bringing in third-party software, we may as well
just suggest everyone use Hotpop and not even install Live Desktop, instead
of trying to circumvent the software once it is installed.

--
Jim Pickering
MVP-Outlook Express/Windows Mail
Please reply to newsgroup only so that others may be helped with your
feedback.

While this post is both informative and somewhat relevant, Jim, it does not
propose a counter statement that forcing the user to view ads is part of a
sound business plan. I'm not saying Live Desktop is a good or bad program,
I'm not saying that adware is a good or bad idea. Heckins, I make a little
every month from Adsense myself. What I am saying is that MSFT saw an
untapped revenue source and capitalized on it, and, myself being a die-hard
capitalist, I say it's about time!

Mark

 

[Jim Pickering]

While this post is both informative and somewhat relevant, Jim, it does
not propose a counter statement that forcing the user to view ads is part
of a sound business plan. I'm not saying Live Desktop is a good or bad
program, I'm not saying that adware is a good or bad idea. Heckins, I
make a little every month from Adsense myself. What I am saying is that
MSFT saw an untapped revenue source and capitalized on it, and, myself
being a die-hard capitalist, I say it's about time!

Mark

I would agree that the first thing that motivates Microsoft to do "anything"
is how will this affect the bottom line. They are, after all a public
corporation answerable to the stockholders, many of who are quite upset that
their ROI is not quite "up to snuff" with other corporations of similar
size. Look at Chevron, BP, Conoco and others if you want to see "real" ROI,
not to mention inflated beyond anyone's wildest dreams in the area of
corporate officer compensation.

While Gates, Ballmer, and others may be multi billionaires, they still
answer to a board of directors or they may be forced into an early
retirement.

 

[Daibidh]

Another option would be the Microsoft Outlook 2007 beta. That's what I am
using and it works nicely... as long as you have a Plus or Premium
hotmail/MSN account.

Dave

 

[Guest]

I have a regular Hotmail acct and it works fine..at least 95 percent of the
time in Outlook 2007..Dont tell Microsoft shhhhhh

 

[Mark D. VandenBeg]

I have a regular Hotmail acct and it works fine..at least 95 percent of the
time in Outlook 2007..Dont tell Microsoft shhhhhh

Older Hotmail accounts are "grandfathered" to work with Outlook and other
mail clients. Not sure of the cut-off date, but I am sure Jim knows it.

 

[PA Bear]

Older Hotmail accounts are "grandfathered" to work with Outlook and other
mail clients. Not sure of the cut-off date, but I am sure Jim knows it.

If the account had been accessed in OE or OL before 24 Sept-04, IIRC, the account was grandfathered.
--
~PA Bear

 

[Mark D. VandenBeg]

If the account had been accessed in OE or OL before 24 Sept-04, IIRC, the
account was grandfathered.

Thanks! That does seem about the right general time.