Microsoft: Some Computers Cannot Upgrade to Windows Vista

[Former captain of the Enterprise]

http://keznews.com/2757_Microsoft:_Some_Computers_Cannot_Upgrade_to_Windows_Vista

Microsoft has published a list of computers from the Tokyo-based
manufacturer Toshiba that cannot upgrade to Windows Vista. The Redmond
Company offers no explanation why no less than 13 models of Toshiba
computers cannot be upgraded to Windows Vista.

This despite the fact that some of the models more than satisfy the minimum
system requirements of the latest operating system from Microsoft.

"The following Toshiba portable computers cannot be upgraded to Windows
Vista: Satellite R15 series, Satellite L25 series, Satellite L2 series,
Satellite M45 series, Satellite M55 series, Satellite M65 series, Satellite
A70 series, Satellite A75 series, Satellite M30X series, Satellite M35X
series, Satellite P35 series, Portege - M200 series Tablet PC and Tecra M2
series. These portable computers were originally manufactured and designed
to support only Microsoft Windows XP," reads a fragment of Knowledge Base
article 934559.

By comparison, Toshiba failed to completely mention the fact that there are
machines which will not support Windows Vista. On Toshiba's Support Links
for Windows Vista website, users can Download Windows Vista drivers and
software for your Toshiba PC, Learn about Toshiba's Microsoft Windows Vista
Capable PC Program, Evaluate your computer's readiness for upgrading to
Windows Vista and Learn about Toshiba's participation in the Microsoft
Windows Vista Express Upgrade program.

But that is about it. There is no mention of the models that are featured in
Microsoft's list, and customers are not warned in any way that they will not
be able to upgrade their computers to Vista. When it comes down to searching
for drivers that support Windows Vista it all comes to light. Toshiba is not
offering drivers for any of the models mentioned above. And without Windows
Vista support from Toshiba, end users will not be able to deploy Vista and
are stuck with XP.

source: news.softpedia.com

 

[Bill Yanaire]

Don't you have a day job? You post an incredible amount of unnecessary
posts....

Go outside enjoy the sunshine (if it is available in your area - if not
download it)

 

[Bill Yanaire]

I could go to each online magazine that deals with Vista and Ubuntu, cut
their URL copy it to the message, the comment on each article. I can do
this many times a day buy why?

It just seems like you are a broken record cutting down Vista all day long,
each and every day. How about giving it a rest for awhile.

Yes we know that we have the ability to use Ubuntu, yes we know Vista has
issues, Vista is slow, Vista has security issues. We all know that.

 

[Former captain of the Enterprise]

frankly I dont care what you think...

this is a NEWSGROUP and Im posting relative NEWS....

Some people may have those computers.. it is a good thing to know
if you are an IT person...

But I guess you dont care about all that... you just want to read about how
nice
aero glass is and flip 3d....

run along....

 

[Spanky deMonkey]

I could give a Rats ass about Aero and crap like that. You just keep
rambling on like an ex-wife speaking to her hen pecked husband about child
care and other mindless dribble. Go outside, enjoy the sunshine and if we
want news on how TERRIBLE Vista is and how Incredible XP is or Ubuntu, we
have the minds (at least some of use do) to check it out on our own.

And you are NOT posting relative news. You are just taking up bandwidth.

 

[Former captain of the Enterprise]

Spanky....

I don't think ubuntu is incredible.

if you do not like my posts, you are free to not read them....

I would like some sunshine now, but the world is a sphere... not flat.. just
in case you don't know it.

In order to conserve your bandwidth since you are still on 9200 baud dial up
modem,
I will graciously snip the rest of your rambling...

SNIP!!!!

 

[Frank]

I could give a Rats ass about Aero and crap like that. You just keep
rambling on like an ex-wife speaking to her hen pecked husband about child
care and other mindless dribble. Go outside, enjoy the sunshine and if we
want news on how TERRIBLE Vista is and how Incredible XP is or Ubuntu, we
have the minds (at least some of use do) to check it out on our own.

And you are NOT posting relative news. You are just taking up bandwidth.

That funny spanky! :-D
Frank

 

[Spanky deMonkey]

Why would I want to pass up the posts on the vista.general newsgroup? They
do provide entertainment during the day. Lots of dumb stuff floating around
and bantering back and forth between the same people. I almost want to
power up my test Vista box, but I think I'll go outisde for a walk now. I'm
in Los Angeles and it's getting close to 5 PM with temps around 80 degrees.
Nice outside.

I'll check back later for your replies on Vista, XP, Ubuntu, and other stuff
we don't need to know about.

One thing though, if you could cut some URL's about Saturday Night Live and
post them with commentary, that would be a nice change. Maybe even some
good MicroSquish jokes would be in order also.

Anyway Captain, I need to go walk before the "Monkey has to be spanked"

and another thing, my modem is 1200 baud, so take it easy on the content!

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Toshiba support or lack thereof is not a Microsoft issue and there is
nothing Microsoft could or should do about it.
What response did you get when you posted this same information to a
Toshiba newsgroup?

If Toshiba has chosen to not make Vista capable drivers, that is a
choice Toshiba makes.
The fact there are no Vista drivers is notification in kind that
Toshiba does not support them in Vista.

My Toshiba Tecra S1 works fine in Vista and it makes me wonder if some
on that list will work as well.

 

[Retired]

What would prevent a Toshiba, or any computer brand, from running with Vista
if it is up-to-date hardware wise, and is able to run XP? I cannot think of
a single technical reason why not. Granted that there could be driver
issues, but that would not stop Vista from running - and drivers that work
with Vista can usually be obtained from sources other than Toshiba.

Toshiba offers no technical reason why some of their units will not upgrade
to Vista, nor does Microsoft. This leads me to think that something else is
going on here - such as a corporate dispute between the two companies.

By the way, I scanned this subject with Google and got quite a few hits, all
echoing what you reported. However, no reasons were given there either.

 

[Frank]

Toshiba support or lack thereof is not a Microsoft issue and there is
nothing Microsoft could or should do about it.
What response did you get when you posted this same information to a
Toshiba newsgroup?

If Toshiba has chosen to not make Vista capable drivers, that is a
choice Toshiba makes.
The fact there are no Vista drivers is notification in kind that Toshiba
does not support them in Vista.

My Toshiba Tecra S1 works fine in Vista and it makes me wonder if some
on that list will work as well.

Yeah they proly will but Toshiba will not support them.
That's the fly you know where.
Frank

 

[ray]

http://keznews.com/2757_Microsoft:_Some_Computers_Cannot_Upgrade_to_Windows_Vista

Microsoft has published a list of computers from the Tokyo-based
manufacturer Toshiba that cannot upgrade to Windows Vista. The Redmond
Company offers no explanation why no less than 13 models of Toshiba
computers cannot be upgraded to Windows Vista.

This despite the fact that some of the models more than satisfy the minimum
system requirements of the latest operating system from Microsoft.

"The following Toshiba portable computers cannot be upgraded to Windows
Vista: Satellite R15 series, Satellite L25 series, Satellite L2 series,
Satellite M45 series, Satellite M55 series, Satellite M65 series, Satellite
A70 series, Satellite A75 series, Satellite M30X series, Satellite M35X
series, Satellite P35 series, Portege - M200 series Tablet PC and Tecra M2
series. These portable computers were originally manufactured and designed
to support only Microsoft Windows XP," reads a fragment of Knowledge Base
article 934559.

By comparison, Toshiba failed to completely mention the fact that there are
machines which will not support Windows Vista. On Toshiba's Support Links
for Windows Vista website, users can Download Windows Vista drivers and
software for your Toshiba PC, Learn about Toshiba's Microsoft Windows Vista
Capable PC Program, Evaluate your computer's readiness for upgrading to
Windows Vista and Learn about Toshiba's participation in the Microsoft
Windows Vista Express Upgrade program.

But that is about it. There is no mention of the models that are featured in
Microsoft's list, and customers are not warned in any way that they will not
be able to upgrade their computers to Vista. When it comes down to searching
for drivers that support Windows Vista it all comes to light. Toshiba is not
offering drivers for any of the models mentioned above. And without Windows
Vista support from Toshiba, end users will not be able to deploy Vista and
are stuck with XP.

source: news.softpedia.com

That's all right - I'm sure they'll run Linux.

 

[Frank]

What would prevent a Toshiba, or any computer brand, from running with Vista
if it is up-to-date hardware wise, and is able to run XP?

Insufficient hardware specs and if upgraded unable to meet their price
points.
It appears allot of these hardware manufacturers and suppliers thought
MS was kidding when they told them Vista was different and used RAM
differently.
MS has built an OS looking toward the future and some hardware suppliers
didn't pay attention and are now trying to just "dump" existing
inventories. The buying public is at risk.
Case in point: I can run Vista Ultimate one of our older laptops but
only in Basic mode.
If you're buying Vista pre-loaded you'll expect Aero to work. Good luck!
This is not MS's fault as they told the suppliers what to expect. Heck,
they've had 5 years lead time and still some major hardware/software
(Creative & HP) for example still don't have Vista drivers. Hello! What
planet have you been on for the last 5 years.
Well I think MS should completely pull the plug on selling XP and make
these bozos get with the program.
Then again, they're all sucking tit from the same dog!
Frank

 

[Retired]

Insufficient hardware specs and if upgraded unable to meet their price
points.

Hi Frank.

Yes, that's true, but the OP indicated that these particular Toshiba units
have hardware that is more than adequate for Vista. Whether that is a fact
or not, I have no idea. However, I was able to get Vista Home Premium
running on one of my very marginally Vista-capable PCs without any problems.
The computer has 512 MB of memory, a 40 GB hard drive, and a CPU running at
only 950 MHZ. If this machine can run Vista, and if the Toshiba units are as
capable as the OP implied, then I don't see why they can't run Vista.

Maybe those units cannot run Vista efficiently, but the implication was that
they cannot run Vista at all (at least that's how I interpreted it).

By the way, what do you mean by "unable to meet their price points"?

Regards.

 

[Cheryl D Wise]

Probably because Toshiba chose not to provide bios and driver updates.
That's why when I replaced my m200 I did so with a Motion Computer. My m200
runs Vista quite well despite Toshiba saying it was not "capable" of running
Vista. My only problem was the inability to obtain a decent video driver
since nVidia locks mobile chipsets out of their retail drivers and Toshiba
hasn't updated their video drivers since XP SP2.

Toshiba's excuse is they are "too old".

 

[xfile]

MS has built an OS looking toward the future [...]

Future of what?

Heck, they've had 5 years lead time and still some major hardware/software
(Creative & HP) for example still don't have Vista drivers. Hello! What
planet have you been on for the last 5 years.

Hello, what planet have you been on for the last 10+ years. Since the birth
of Win 95 when plug-&-play initiative has been implemented, personal
computers are expected to be an integrated device and OS (be it Windows,
Linux or whatever else) to the least degree should provide "generic" drivers
for most commonly used devices to work.

With all the experiences and feedbacks, it failed accomplish this despite it
is one of the major players in the initiative, and put users back to pre
Win-95 era. And people like you and those fans with title or not are still
living in pre Win 95 era?

 

[Frank]

MS has built an OS looking toward the future [...]

Future of what?

Heck, they've had 5 years lead time and still some major hardware/software
(Creative & HP) for example still don't have Vista drivers. Hello! What
planet have you been on for the last 5 years.

Hello, what planet have you been on for the last 10+ years. Since the birth
of Win 95 when plug-&-play initiative has been implemented, personal
computers are expected to be an integrated device and OS (be it Windows,
Linux or whatever else) to the least degree should provide "generic" drivers
for most commonly used devices to work.

With all the experiences and feedbacks, it failed accomplish this despite it
is one of the major players in the initiative, and put users back to pre
Win-95 era. And people like you and those fans with title or not are still

Uuhhh...maybe you've been watching too many x-file episodes? Who is
suppose to provide "generic" drivers for whom and for what?
Frank

 

[xfile]

If you couldn't demonstrate your knowledge, you'd be better off for not
replying.

You're not just humiliating yourself but those who support this OS and
products from this company.

Case's closed.

MS has built an OS looking toward the future [...]

Future of what?

Heck, they've had 5 years lead time and still some major
hardware/software (Creative & HP) for example still don't have Vista
drivers. Hello! What planet have you been on for the last 5 years.

Hello, what planet have you been on for the last 10+ years. Since the
birth of Win 95 when plug-&-play initiative has been implemented,
personal computers are expected to be an integrated device and OS (be it
Windows, Linux or whatever else) to the least degree should provide
"generic" drivers for most commonly used devices to work.

With all the experiences and feedbacks, it failed accomplish this despite
it is one of the major players in the initiative, and put users back to
pre Win-95 era. And people like you and those fans with title or not are
still

Uuhhh...maybe you've been watching too many x-file episodes? Who is
suppose to provide "generic" drivers for whom and for what?
Frank

 

[Frank]

Retired wrote:

By the way, what do you mean by "unable to meet their price points"?

Regards.

They take existing hardware/software and try to get Vista to work. It
won't for instance run Aero without adding more vram. Adding more vram
will make the manufacturing cost go up and put the retail price beyond
their targeted "price point" for competitive marketing. If they don't
increase the vram they will get consumers blow back and possibly be sued
if they advertise them as "Vista compatible or capable", whichever. So
they actually mark them "not vista whatever", reduce the price and
move'em out.
Something like that. It sounds like Toshiba marketing ran into a problem
with Toshiba legal and Corp went with legal. Proly a wise decision as we
hear consumers complaining that what they bought was mark "Vista
whatever" but ends up being only marginally "Vista whatever".
My take anyway.
Frank

 

[Frank]

If you couldn't demonstrate your knowledge, you'd be better off for not
replying.

You're not just humiliating yourself but those who support this OS and
products from this company.

Case's closed.

You're either on drugs, you're drunk or just another linux loser troll.
(snort)
Frank