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[Robert Redelmeier]

I know this is OT, but where in Europe did you get served
tepid/lukewarm coffee?

France & The Netherlands after creamer addition. The dutch
even have a special creamer (koffiemelk) that is essenitally
concentrated full milk so it does not cool off the coffee to
room temperature. BTW, I mean tepid as a temp that can be
gulped without pain. Maybe 120'F?

-- Robert

 

[borolad]

C'mon lads stop x-posting this shite to: .x86-64

BoroLad

 

[Martin Maat]

France & The Netherlands after creamer addition. The dutch
even have a special creamer (koffiemelk) that is essenitally
concentrated full milk so it does not cool off the coffee to
room temperature. BTW, I mean tepid as a temp that can be
gulped without pain. Maybe 120'F?

This I would say is the one reason for fast food restaurants to serve tepid
coffee. They want you to drink it on your way out. The next thing is a
power-fed hose down your throat. The only reason they don't have that yet is
that it would still be a bit too much for the typical customer in today's
society. I bet though they're studying the idea, thinking of ways to
introduce it in a consumer-friendly manner.

Hmm... Could there be a patent in this? I'm afraid not, it's already done
with geese to make the stuff they serve in slow food restaurants.

Martin.

 

[George Macdonald]

You obviously drink crappy piss-water in the name of coffee.

Not at all - the authorities on coffee: growers, afficianados, gourmet
experts etc. who have taken time & effort to come up with the perfect
beans, perfectly roasted and brewed to the exact right temp have spoken!
The sad thing is that most people think coffee is a naturally bitter drink
which needs sugar/milk/cream to make it more pleasant and of course heat to
mask the foul taste... and it is at D-n-D, McDs and especially
Starbucks<yech>, because the fools think the only thing that matters is
HOT.

On the contrary, real coffee is a pleasant, almost sweet beverage which,
when the beans are treated with water at the correct temp of ~195F, allowed
to drip/pour into a coolish carafe and served in a room temp cup, is
perfect for drinking at ~140F and has a glorious flavor, unadulterated with
flavor killing agents. Sorry but anything else is just heresy... maybe fit
for washing the feet. Slurp away at your stewed bilge-water - I'll hold
out for something closer to the real thing.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

 

[The Chief]

France & The Netherlands after creamer addition. The dutch
even have a special creamer (koffiemelk) that is essenitally
concentrated full milk so it does not cool off the coffee to
room temperature. BTW, I mean tepid as a temp that can be
gulped without pain. Maybe 120'F?

-- Robert

Like I said before, tepid by definition is lukewarm. If you make bread
dough, an old English definition of tepid is "blood warm" which usually
equates to about 98.6F. You warm baby's milk to "tepid."

And all the coffee I drank in France and the Netherlands was definitely
served warmer than 120F, probably closer to 170 - 180 F.

Quote:
"There are people who've build a reputation that others
respect. Not everyone, and not always.

-- Robert"
End quote.

Perhaps you should find a subject you have some knowledge about if you
want to "build a reputation." I don't think very many people "respect"
an "expert" who makes erroneous remarks without engaging their brain
first! You should take a laxative and relieve some of the pressure on
your brain.

 

[The Chief]

France & The Netherlands after creamer addition. The dutch
even have a special creamer (koffiemelk) that is essenitally
concentrated full milk so it does not cool off the coffee to
room temperature. BTW, I mean tepid as a temp that can be
gulped without pain. Maybe 120'F?

-- Robert

Oh, I forgot something before. Your "special creamer (koffiemelk)" is
sold in the U.S. as evaporated milk. You can find it at your local grocer!

 

[George Macdonald]

Like I said before, tepid by definition is lukewarm. If you make bread
dough, an old English definition of tepid is "blood warm" which usually
equates to about 98.6F. You warm baby's milk to "tepid."

Neither is well defined as a scientific term - I think we got his drift.
To dwell on such trivialities is picayune.

And all the coffee I drank in France and the Netherlands was definitely
served warmer than 120F, probably closer to 170 - 180 F.

If you can drink coffee at 180F, without even discomfort, never mind
injury, you have a very unusual tolerance. I've spent quite a bit of time
in France over the years, including several years living there, and been
served coffee in many different settings - restaurants, cafes, homes - and
I can't imagine where you got coffee served at that temp... maybe Harry's
New York Bar? but even there I'd expect better.

In Belgium in particular, I recall being served coffee in a tallish glass
with a filter device which was made to fit the top of the glass. By the
time the hot water had filtered through the coffee and filled the cup it
was only err, mildly warm... probably the coolest I've ever had coffee
served but it *was* good coffee.

Quote:
"There are people who've build a reputation that others
respect. Not everyone, and not always.

-- Robert"
End quote.

Perhaps you should find a subject you have some knowledge about if you
want to "build a reputation." I don't think very many people "respect"
an "expert" who makes erroneous remarks without engaging their brain
first! You should take a laxative and relieve some of the pressure on
your brain.

I've no idea which of the cross-posted NGs you normally subscribe to but I
can assure you that Robert has great respect from me, and I strongly
suspect from many others, in the c.s.i.p.h.c group. I'm afraid you've just
shat all over yourself now!.... too much laxative?

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

 

[The Chief]

Thou shalt not post off-topic!

Thou shalt not Cross-post!

 

[Rob Stow]

Thou shalt not post off-topic!

Thou shalt not Cross-post!

Shame on you "Chief", for that cross posted OT drivel.

 

[The Chief]

Shame on you "Chief", for that cross posted OT drivel.

I am amazed at the participants that will chastise new comers for not
following the etiquette of UseNet, but feel they are exempt from abiding
by the standards they want others to follow.

I have seen new comers chastised for top posting, using html, cross
posting, off topic posts, etc., and the old timers chastise them for
this, but apparently feel they are above and beyond the rest of the
society and aren't obligated to follow their own advice.

 

[Rob Stow]

I am amazed at the participants that will chastise new comers for not
following the etiquette of UseNet, but feel they are exempt from abiding
by the standards they want others to follow.

I have seen new comers chastised for top posting, using html, cross
posting, off topic posts, etc., and the old timers chastise them for
this, but apparently feel they are above and beyond the rest of the
society and aren't obligated to follow their own advice.

What a cold, heartless, bland, world you want to live in.

Absolutely none of the newsgroups would be worth visiting
if you never learned anything about the other people
who use the groups - and you learn a *lot* about them
by what the post in OT threads or threads that stray
OT, as they so frequently do.

What you know about a person has a huge influence on
how you interpret and evaluate what they post - including
on-topic as well as off-topic stuff. In your world none
of us would ever get to know anything about each other.

 

[The Chief]

What a cold, heartless, bland, world you want to live in.

Absolutely none of the newsgroups would be worth visiting
if you never learned anything about the other people
who use the groups - and you learn a *lot* about them
by what the post in OT threads or threads that stray
OT, as they so frequently do.

What you know about a person has a huge influence on
how you interpret and evaluate what they post - including
on-topic as well as off-topic stuff. In your world none
of us would ever get to know anything about each other.

Your attitude also displays how much you respect other people. If a
newbie joins a newsgroup for the purpose of acquiring information about
a subject and he sees how the arrogant and elite post anything and
everything they want with no regard for any type of etiquette, under the
guise of learning about others, then you don't really give a damn how
you affect others as long as you get to do what you want!

 

[Rob Stow]

Your attitude also displays how much you respect other people. If a
newbie joins a newsgroup for the purpose of acquiring information about
a subject and he sees how the arrogant and elite post anything and
everything they want with no regard for any type of etiquette, under the
guise of learning about others, then you don't really give a damn how
you affect others as long as you get to do what you want!

Read that last paragraph you just posted and tell me
that a newbie reading it wouldn't think you are an
"arrogant and elite" busybody who could care less about
anything but his own perception of how others should
behave in this newsgroup.

OT threads and threads that stray off-topic after a
few posts are the norm in every non-moderated
forum and also in most moderated ones. It is simply
the nature of human discourse. If you want to
scream and shout and rail against human nature you are
quite free to do so, but all you are going to accomplish
is to prove to the world that you are a little boy who
likes to throw temper tantrums.

 

[The Chief]

What you know about a person has a huge influence on
how you interpret and evaluate what they post - including
on-topic as well as off-topic stuff. In your world none
of us would ever get to know anything about each other.

It is intriguing the drivel that intransigent will dream up to justify
their disregard for others in the society!

 

[The Chief]

OT threads and threads that stray off-topic after a
few posts are the norm in every non-moderated
forum and also in most moderated ones. It is simply
the nature of human discourse. If you want to
scream and shout and rail against human nature you are
quite free to do so, but all you are going to accomplish
is to prove to the world that you are a little boy who
likes to throw temper tantrums.

The only ones throwing the temper tantrums are the ones thinking they
are better that the others, and apparently think they rule the
newsgroups, and don't like it because someone has called their bluff!
Societies succeed and function coherently when members abide by the
commonly accepted standards and rules, not when individuals and small
groups decide to deviate from those standards. This has been proven
throughout history! Without organization, there is chaos! So you're
telling me you're in favor of chaos!

 

[The Chief]

OT threads and threads that stray off-topic after a
few posts are the norm in every non-moderated
forum and also in most moderated ones. It is simply
the nature of human discourse. If you want to
scream and shout and rail against human nature you are
quite free to do so, but all you are going to accomplish
is to prove to the world that you are a little boy who
likes to throw temper tantrums.

So, in other words you feel you and your friends are above complying
with the commonly distributed information:

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/posting-rules/part1/

 

[Rob Stow]

So, in other words you feel you and your friends are above complying
with the commonly distributed information:

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/posting-rules/part1/

Apparently YOU think YOU are. By your own rules
every fricking thing you have said in this thread
is inappropriate for this newsgroup.

You have had ample opportunity to take this discussion
to a netiquette forum, but instead you chose to make
one OT post after another in c.s.i.p.h.c.

You have had ample opportunity to take this discussion
to e-mail, but instead you chose to make one OT post
after another in c.s.i.p.h.c.

Apparently you are just another one of those
"do as I say and not as I do" hypocrites.
Dime a dozen.

 

[Robert Redelmeier]

You warm baby's milk to "tepid."

No, baby's milk is warmed until is it warm, but not hot when
a few drops fall on the inside of the wrist. Probably around
95'F. Human skin has to be colder than core temp.

And all the coffee I drank in France and the Netherlands was
definitely served warmer than 120F, probably closer to 170 -
180 F.

I very much doubt it. Did you have a thermometer? Temperatures
are notoriously difficult to estimate by feel. Some people
get very upset when their HSF is the least bit warm or if
a vidchip is too hot to keep finger on. But that is only 60'C,
and those chips are usually rated for 85'C.

Quote: "There are people who've build a reputation that
others respect. Not everyone, and not always.
-- Robert" End quote.

Yes, you remember accurately.

Perhaps you should find a subject you have some knowledge
about if you want to "build a reputation." I don't think
very many people "respect" an "expert" who makes erroneous

Perhaps you should consider that it takes some knowledge
(not just opinion) to be able to correctly evaluate expertise.

USENET tends to respect those who supply data to back their
opinions. Agrumentation, or raw opinions are much less
respected. And flat contradiction is reviled.

remarks without engaging their brain first! You should take
a laxative and relieve some of the pressure on your brain.

Thank you. I will take the insult as an admission you do
not have any better logical, arguments or data. I accept
your surrender.

-- Robert

 

[Rob Stow]

No, baby's milk is warmed until is it warm, but not hot when
a few drops fall on the inside of the wrist. Probably around
95'F. Human skin has to be colder than core temp.

I've done a little measuring since this thread started.

Mostly I've been sticking the thermometer in the cup,
but a few times I've gotten friendly waitress to stick
it into the pot.

Here's the data so far. Temp's were measured in Celsius.
Numbers are in CC/FFF. To standardize the cup temps
a little bit, I used my stainless steel travel mug - so
the coffee had to heat up the mug from room temperature.



Cup Pot
Home (1) 69/156 72/162
Home (2) 70/158 N/A
7-11 Main St 68/154 72/162
7-11 13th Ave 72/162
Tim Horton's 74/165 76.7/170*
Robin's Donuts 74/165 77/171
Boston Pizza 67/153 70/158

* As reported by the staff. They didn't measure
for me - just reported what their standard is.

I've had coffee at a few other places, but I
didn't always remember to measure the temp, and
I haven't measured anything since I dropped and
broke my thermometer on Saturday.

I haven't been to Rotten Ronald's in a long time,
but I will make a point of going there just to add
them to my list.


Home (1) is freshly brewed.

Home (2) is freshly brewed, poured, then nuked
for 17 seconds - a time fined tuned to get the
*perfect* coffee temp for me. I don't do it all
the time - usually just for that first cup of
the day. This was done in ceramic mug I usually
use at home - not the stainless steel one. ;-)


Other temps I measured at home:

Neglected cup cooled off while I was busy: 56/133
Still OK. Not cool enough yet that my first
thought is that I wish it was warmer.
Same cup deliberately untouched for a while longer: 50/122
Definitely time for a fresh cup but I would still
drink it if replacing it or nuking it was not an
option.

 

[keith]

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