Manage Styles window query

[Jean-Guy Marcil]

No, it was TNR 10 pts until Word 2000. Then it was changed to TNR12. In Word
2007 it's Calibri 11 pts.

To verify the latter, right-click your Desktop and select New/Word Document.
If you recall this method bypasses the Normal template and uses the
application defaults.

I had to try it... On my machine at work, Word 2003 SP3, English UI, when I
do that (Desktop > New > Word) I get a Word document on the desktop, but I
have to double click on it to open it. When I do, I see that the font is
Arial 12, i.e. the same as my Normal style... not TNR 12, the application
default. What am I doing wrong?

 

[Beth Melton]

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I had to try it... On my machine at work, Word 2003 SP3, English UI, when
I
do that (Desktop > New > Word) I get a Word document on the desktop, but I
have to double click on it to open it. When I do, I see that the font is
Arial 12, i.e. the same as my Normal style... not TNR 12, the application
default. What am I doing wrong?

Perhaps you missed "latter"? I was referring to Word 2007, not Word 2003.


If you create a new Word document using the New shortcut you get a new
document using the factory defaults and not based on your Normal template.
This did not occur in previous versions.

If you want verify factory defaults for previous versions you can either
start Word in Safe Mode and create a new document, or use File/New, select
Blank Document, select the "Template" option, and then click OK.

~Beth Melton

 

[Jean-Guy Marcil]

Take for example basing a style on "(no style)". In past versions it would
always default to the hard-wired TNR 10pt/12pt. In Word 2007 new styles

Sorry to be a pest, but again, I had to try it
(Still on my Word 2003 SP3 machine).

I created a style based on "no style" and did not change anything at all.
This new style was identical to my Normal style (Arial Regular 12). Then, I
went to the Font dialog box and selected a non-default font ("X-files"), then
bold and then 24 points. I clicked on "Default". I closed Word. It asked me
if I wanted to change my Normal.dot (I have that option checked), I clicked
on "Yes".
I re-opened Word and again created a style based on "no style" and did not
change anything. It was formated with the X-files font, bold and 24. Then
again I closed Word. I re-tried the right-click on dektop to create a new
Word document. It was set to X-files bold 24.
So I guess do not grasp the concept of application default in Word 2003.
I understand it for 2007 though..

Ah, and then I did not forget to set my default back to Arial regular 12!

 

[Jean-Guy Marcil]

Perhaps you missed "latter"? I was referring to Word 2007, not Word 2003.

LOL
I thought "latter" refered to the whole concept...

Thanks for putting up with my antics...
You can now safely disregard my other post in this thread!

 

[Beth Melton]

Sorry to be a pest, but again, I had to try it
(Still on my Word 2003 SP3 machine).

I created a style based on "no style" and did not change anything at all.
This new style was identical to my Normal style (Arial Regular 12). Then,
I
went to the Font dialog box and selected a non-default font ("X-files"),
then
bold and then 24 points. I clicked on "Default". I closed Word. It asked
me
if I wanted to change my Normal.dot (I have that option checked), I
clicked
on "Yes".
I re-opened Word and again created a style based on "no style" and did not
change anything. It was formated with the X-files font, bold and 24. Then
again I closed Word. I re-tried the right-click on dektop to create a new
Word document. It was set to X-files bold 24.
So I guess do not grasp the concept of application default in Word 2003.
I understand it for 2007 though..

Ah, and then I did not forget to set my default back to Arial regular 12!

I was wrong about "(no style)" defaulting to the hard wired defaults in
previous versions. It will initially use the defaults you set in the Normal
style but the difference in Word 2007 is if you change your Document
Defaults those changes will be reflected in those styles based on "(no
style)".

Sorry about that!

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[Jean-Guy Marcil]

I was wrong about "(no style)" defaulting to the hard wired defaults in
previous versions. It will initially use the defaults you set in the Normal
style but the difference in Word 2007 is if you change your Document
Defaults those changes will be reflected in those styles based on "(no
style)".

When you think about it, it is much better like that.
If I wanted a style based on "no style" to be in fact based on "Normal",
then I would set it based on "Normal"...

 

[Beth Melton]

When you think about it, it is much better like that.
If I wanted a style based on "no style" to be in fact based on "Normal",
then I would set it based on "Normal"...

That's my thought as well.

The difference between using "no style" and Normal as the based on style is
subtle but there is a difference and that doesn't include the bugs that can
be encountered when you modify your Normal style.

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[Stefan Blom]

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When you think about it, it is much better like that.
If I wanted a style based on "no style" to be in fact based on "Normal",
then I would set it based on "Normal"...

But, given Beth's previous explanations in this thread, these are two
different things?

Obviously, a style based on "(no style)" should *not* adjust to a particular
style in the document; then it would be pointless to choose "(no style)" in
the first place.

What has changed is the fact that even styles based on "(no style)" can be
affected by document defaults, which I guess makes sense when Word has
customizable document defaults (and themes).

Or am I (still) missing something here?

 

[Beth Melton]

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But, given Beth's previous explanations in this thread, these are two
different things?

Obviously, a style based on "(no style)" should *not* adjust to a
particular
style in the document; then it would be pointless to choose "(no style)"
in
the first place.

What has changed is the fact that even styles based on "(no style)" can be
affected by document defaults, which I guess makes sense when Word has
customizable document defaults (and themes).

Or am I (still) missing something here?

That sounds about right to me.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP
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[Jean-Guy Marcil]

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But, given Beth's previous explanations in this thread, these are two
different things?

Exactly what I was trying, rather unsuccessfully, to articualte...

Obviously, a style based on "(no style)" should *not* adjust to a particular
style in the document; then it would be pointless to choose "(no style)" in
the first place.

Right again, my exact thoughts.

What has changed is the fact that even styles based on "(no style)" can be
affected by document defaults, which I guess makes sense when Word has
customizable document defaults (and themes).

Or am I (still) missing something here?

No, I was just not articulate enough to convey my thoughts clearly.
You wrote excatly what I was thinking.