MailWasher is crashing my system

[mhagen]

In Message-ID:<[email protected]> posted on Mon, 27 Oct
2003 09:10:16 -0800, mhagen wrote:




We've had an exceptionally long drought,
the Santa Ana is an exceptionally hot one,
and there are more houses to fuel the fires.
Pine isn't as much a problem as dry eucalyptus,
chaparral occurs only in the few undeveloped areas between communities,
and all CDF personnel have been called in. The seasonal inmate squads
are either being evacuated from their own threatened encampments, or the
logistics are too overwhelming in this incident to implement them.

Thanks,
I'm familiar with the phenomena - I worked many years in Fire before
getting into environmental consulting. So. Cal has a host of
contributing problems and it wasn't alone this year. B.C. had a nasty
fire season. You've got my sympathies!

 

[David]

Well I'm not an ME "user" basher at least, people use what they use. But
one of the big differences of 9x with 2K and XP is stability. About the
only thing that takes downs the newer OS versions is bad device
drivers. So poorly written programs will still crash as always but they
usually don't BSOD the entire system. Anyhow is there anything other
than mozilla which you recently installed? Sometimes programs install
older versions of dll's and run perfectly while screwing up other things
which can make this type of thing harder to troubleshoot. It sounds
like it is a networking related file that is causing the problem since
it is screwing up both an email program and a browser. Winsock or
something.You can try reinstalling the OS over itself to see if it will
correct things. Just make sure you also reapply the most current SP and
all patches that came after that. Windows update "should" deal with this
properly.

 

[Jan Il]

Hi David,

Well I'm not an ME "user" basher at least, people use what they use.

'k...then I will have to forgive you ;-))

But

one of the big differences of 9x with 2K and XP is stability. About the
only thing that takes downs the newer OS versions is bad device
drivers. So poorly written programs will still crash as always but they
usually don't BSOD the entire system. Anyhow is there anything other
than mozilla which you recently installed? Sometimes programs install
older versions of dll's and run perfectly while screwing up other things
which can make this type of thing harder to troubleshoot. It sounds
like it is a networking related file that is causing the problem since
it is screwing up both an email program and a browser. Winsock or
something.You can try reinstalling the OS over itself to see if it will
correct things. Just make sure you also reapply the most current SP and
all patches that came after that. Windows update "should" deal with this
properly.

Other than the MW, I have not installed anything else besides Mozilla any
time lately. I always prefer to install things one at a time and then see
how it performs before I install anything else. That way, I can better
evaluate any problems that might come up. That is why I feel the problem is
a result of the Mozilla install, as the MW had been working for the last 3
weeks or better without any problem.

But, this is not a proper AV related topic, so best I leave it here.

Thank you very much for your time and assistance with this problem, I truly
do appreciate it.

Best regards,
Jan


[snip]

 

[ah]

[snip diagnosis]


Other than the MW, I have not installed anything else besides Mozilla any
time lately. I always prefer to install things one at a time and then see
how it performs before I install anything else. That way, I can better
evaluate any problems that might come up. That is why I feel the problem is
a result of the Mozilla install, as the MW had been working for the last 3
weeks or better without any problem.

But, this is not a proper AV related topic, so best I leave it here.

Just one last thing (please): could you post the link to the mozilla binary you
dl'ed?

 

[Heather]

Hi David,



'k...then I will have to forgive you ;-))

Other than the MW, I have not installed anything else besides Mozilla any
time lately. I always prefer to install things one at a time and then see
how it performs before I install anything else. That way, I can better
evaluate any problems that might come up. That is why I feel the problem is
a result of the Mozilla install, as the MW had been working for the

last 3 weeks or better without any problem.

Jan......I have used Mailwasher for a year at least on WinME and no
problems at all. So it must be Mozilla. And I have used the freebie
one and am now using the pay one. And to be honest.......the free one
is quite good enough.

WinME can have problems with some programs (but not often now), which is
why I ALWAYS make a Restore Point before adding anything new......then I
can totally remove it if it acts up or I just plain don't like it. I
frankly think that XP has more problems and patches than ME. In fact, I
know it does.

My neighbour didn't know he had to go to Windows Update with XP (and he
sells main frame computers, grin).......so after I removed Blaster from
his computer and added a working antivirus, Zone Alarm and AdAware, I
checked Windows Update. He had 70 critical patches and updates to add
in one year. I have never added 1/4 of that in almost 3 years for
WinME.

But as you say, this is not an a-v problem, but we do tend to cover all
the bases (and topics) on here when the virus world is relatively
peaceful. (G)

Cheers.....Heather

 

[Jan Il]

[snip diagnosis]


Other than the MW, I have not installed anything else besides Mozilla any
time lately. I always prefer to install things one at a time and then see
how it performs before I install anything else. That way, I can better
evaluate any problems that might come up. That is why I feel the problem is
a result of the Mozilla install, as the MW had been working for the last 3
weeks or better without any problem.

But, this is not a proper AV related topic, so best I leave it here.

Just one last thing (please): could you post the link to the mozilla binary you
dl'ed?

I first downloaded the 1.5 version at http://www.mozilla.org/, but, it just
crashed my system when I tried to open it.

I'm sorry, in re-checking the download file, I found I mis-stated the
version before, it was the 1.0.2 that I subsequently downloaded at
http://www.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla1.0.2.html and installed.

Jan

 

[Jan Il]

Hiya Heather!

last 3 weeks or better without any problem.

Jan......I have used Mailwasher for a year at least on WinME and no
problems at all. So it must be Mozilla. And I have used the freebie
one and am now using the pay one. And to be honest.......the free one
is quite good enough.

I have seen you recommend the MW here and on the WinME ng, and that the
freebie works as good as the wallet edition. And, it does seem to work very
well,
and your good Bud, Bart, sent me some filters that do seem to work pretty
good. I have turned off the auto download on my OE and am working through
the MW. If I find a message I want to answer, I click the Send/Receive in
the
OE to download the message. I agree that it would seem the Mozilla I
downloaded did have something to do with the problems, and under the
circumstances, doing a manual restore point before installing would not have
made much difference, and when it booted me to the blue screen all restore
points were lost. Nada, only the one for the 26th, at the time that I
restarted
and went back up, so obviously a new restore point was created then, but,
all previous ones were gone. :-((

WinME can have problems with some programs (but not often now), which is
why I ALWAYS make a Restore Point before adding anything new......then I
can totally remove it if it acts up or I just plain don't like it. I
frankly think that XP has more problems and patches than ME. In fact, I
know it does.

I get a lot of ribbing, and sometimes heat, for continuing to use ME...but,
I normally don't have that many problems with it, only once in a while when
I feed it something that does not agree with it. But hey, once in a while
the garlic and onion pickles don't agree with me either. Especially after a
Grand Wazoolie 'Sh'room 'n Pepperoni Pizza... ;-)) (Sorry..I know, that is
really OT, but... hey...it's supper time...and my mind is beginning to
wander
here.....'k..?)

My neighbour didn't know he had to go to Windows Update with XP (and he
sells main frame computers, grin).......so after I removed Blaster from
his computer and added a working antivirus, Zone Alarm and AdAware, I
checked Windows Update. He had 70 critical patches and updates to add
in one year. I have never added 1/4 of that in almost 3 years for
WinME.

.... figures...and ehh....you did leave him some hair on his head I take it.
;-))

But as you say, this is not an a-v problem, but we do tend to cover all
the bases (and topics) on here when the virus world is relatively
peaceful. (G)

Well...kinda the feeling I got, but, these are Swenful times, and....all
groups
do seem to have their own...<vbg>

Thanks for the info, and the heads up, Heather, I really do appreciate it.

Cheers.....Heather

Later 'Gator..
Jan

 

[Jan Il]

We've had an exceptionally long drought,
the Santa Ana is an exceptionally hot one,
and there are more houses to fuel the fires.
Pine isn't as much a problem as dry eucalyptus,
chaparral occurs only in the few undeveloped areas between communities,
and all CDF personnel have been called in. The seasonal inmate squads
are either being evacuated from their own threatened encampments, or the
logistics are too overwhelming in this incident to implement them.

I'll have to defer to the more expert on the subject... ;-)))
Jan

 

[ah]

[snip diagnosis]

Other than the MW, I have not installed anything else besides Mozilla any
time lately. I always prefer to install things one at a time and then see
how it performs before I install anything else. That way, I can better
evaluate any problems that might come up. That is why I feel the problem is
a result of the Mozilla install, as the MW had been working for the last 3
weeks or better without any problem.

But, this is not a proper AV related topic, so best I leave it here.

Just one last thing (please): could you post the link to the mozilla binary you
dl'ed?

I first downloaded the 1.5 version at http://www.mozilla.org/, but, it just
crashed my system when I tried to open it.

I'm sorry, in re-checking the download file, I found I mis-stated the
version before, it was the 1.0.2 that I subsequently downloaded at
http://www.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla1.0.2.html and installed.

Oh! That's a tight spot . . . but 1.0.x is a year old! And has multiple
security 'issues', to-boot!

If you ever do entertain using it again, go with (at least)
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mozilla/releases/mozilla1.4.1/

If you're concerned with the Installer modifying the registry (or other critical
system files), try the zip version.

No matter what you end up using (Gravity, XNews,etc.), I certainly hope it
works--better for your system's health than OE.

 

[Jan Il]

Jan Il wrote:
[snip]

I first downloaded the 1.5 version at http://www.mozilla.org/, but, it just
crashed my system when I tried to open it.

I'm sorry, in re-checking the download file, I found I mis-stated the
version before, it was the 1.0.2 that I subsequently downloaded at
http://www.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla1.0.2.html and installed.

Oh! That's a tight spot . . . but 1.0.x is a year old! And has multiple
security 'issues', to-boot!

Oh...well...I didn't know that....but, then, I don't know anything at all
about Mozilla. The version said it would be compatible with ME.

If you ever do entertain using it again, go with (at least)
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mozilla/releases/mozilla1.4.1/

I will try the 1.4.1 as you suggest. I did see this version, but, was not
sure if it would be ok to use with ME.

If you're concerned with the Installer modifying the registry (or other critical
system files), try the zip version.

I normally select the one to install from the hard drive.

No matter what you end up using (Gravity, XNews,etc.), I certainly hope it
works--better for your system's health than OE.

I have never heard of Gravity or XNews. What kind of programs are they? Do
they have any AV or e-mail security features like OE?
Thank you so very much for the additional info. I'll try it and see how it
works. ;-))

Jan

 

[BooBoo]

Thanks,
I'm familiar with the phenomena - I worked many years in Fire before
getting into environmental consulting. So. Cal has a host of
contributing problems and it wasn't alone this year. B.C. had a nasty
fire season. You've got my sympathies!

Very true about the B.C. forest fires this summer. Alot of homes were lost.
This was a indeed a bad time for our province.

 

[ah]

Jan Il wrote:
[snip]

Just one last thing (please): could you post the link to the mozilla binary you
dl'ed?

I first downloaded the 1.5 version at http://www.mozilla.org/, but, it just
crashed my system when I tried to open it.

I'm sorry, in re-checking the download file, I found I mis-stated the
version before, it was the 1.0.2 that I subsequently downloaded at
http://www.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla1.0.2.html and installed.

Oh! That's a tight spot . . . but 1.0.x is a year old! And has multiple
security 'issues', to-boot!

Oh...well...I didn't know that....but, then, I don't know anything at all
about Mozilla. The version said it would be compatible with ME.

If you ever do entertain using it again, go with (at least)
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mozilla/releases/mozilla1.4.1/

I will try the 1.4.1 as you suggest. I did see this version, but, was not
sure if it would be ok to use with ME.

[caveat: I'm a pseudo-amateur software-end-user . . . I've just been
"here-and-there", and "done that" more often than not ;-) ]

http://www.mozilla.org/releases/stable.html

There are always 'Release Notes' avaliable (installation instructions, system
requirements, what's new, and a list of known issues that you should review
before reporting a new bug).

http://www.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla1.4.1/

http://www.mozilla.org/docs/end-user/guide/get-started.html#before-installing-mozilla

Windows ME is listed for all the Mozilla versions, AFAICS.

I normally select the one to install from the hard drive.

There are (basically) two versions:

One is an .exe Installer that automates most of the system integration (adds
stuff to the registry automatically).

http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla....ozilla1.4.1/mozilla-win32-1.4.1-installer.exe

The other is a .zip archive of the software--'unzip' it, and activate
'mozilla.exe' to run the software (does not modify the registry, unless you
choose to make it your default web/mail client (or associate files of certain
types to be opened by it)).

http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mozilla/releases/mozilla1.4.1/mozilla-win32-1.4.1.zip

I have never heard of Gravity or XNews. What kind of programs are they? Do
they have any AV or e-mail security features like OE?

I've not used either (or any of the others), but I know many who swear by
them--they are News reader/senders: dedicated to just reading news.host.com (or
USENET), as far as I know. You'll need another piece of software to send email
(though, I believe, there is POP email-ability with one, or more).

Modularization is the ability to have different pieces of software that suit
your needs/preferences--having one piece of software to do 'everything' is not
always the best path, as "one size does not fit all" ;-) A paradigm that does
kinda negate the idea of the Mozilla Suite . . . though it /is/ a nice Suite.

I've been quite happy with Moz over the past three years--it has been my friend.
But, Mozilla.org is currently in the process of deprecating the 'one size fits
all' theme, and is going to fully split the Suite into its separate components
before too much time has passed.

I've made that transition recently: use Firebird for my web browser, and
Thunderbird for my email/news client. It's a different strategy, but it seems
to be a working one.

A frequently used 'exploit' when using OE is to have an attachment included
within an HTML email (or newsgroup message, if that newsgroup allows HTML
posting) automatically run itself--if a person has Updated their system with a
'fix' to this problem, and/or does not view email as HTML, this is not much of a
problem. But, if the patch to fix this 'exploit' has not been applied, and a
person has not set OE to view all email as plain text, that person's system is
suseptable to having a malicious attachment automatically execute (and do harm
to the system).

Mozilla/Thunderbird/Gravity/XNews/Forté (Free) Agent effectively circumvent the
abuse of this exploit . . . which is a key selling-point

Gravity: http://gravity.tbates.org/

XNews: http://xnews.newsguy.com/

Free Agent: http://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php

Let me say, though: OE is not evil (or, at-root, 'bad') . . . it's just that
its 'default settings' and notoriety facilitate a lot of unwanted attention from
malignant forces . . . .

Thank you so very much for the additional info. I'll try it and see how it
works. ;-))

Ahh, think and read a lot before making too many decisions . . . "not sure if it
would be ok to use with ME" becomes ". . . be sure if it would be ok to use with
YOU", with mindfulness and time

Er, back to being On-Topic: . . . what does MailWasher do? I've not explored
it, at all . . . .

 

[Bart Bailey]

In Message-ID:<[email protected]> posted on Mon, 27 Oct

Pine isn't as much a problem as dry eucalyptus,

Today that changed, the suburban eucalyptus grove areas have pretty much
all been burnt and the fires are entering the surrounding forests where
the beetle killed pines ARE the major fuel. The small towns in and
around those forests are now the most vulnerable.
google for "Julian CA"

 

[Jan Il]

Hi ;-)

Jan Il wrote:
[snip]

Just one last thing (please): could you post the link to the mozilla binary you
dl'ed?

I first downloaded the 1.5 version at http://www.mozilla.org/, but, it just
crashed my system when I tried to open it.

I'm sorry, in re-checking the download file, I found I mis-stated the
version before, it was the 1.0.2 that I subsequently downloaded at
http://www.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla1.0.2.html and installed.

Oh! That's a tight spot . . . but 1.0.x is a year old! And has multiple
security 'issues', to-boot!

Oh...well...I didn't know that....but, then, I don't know anything at all
about Mozilla. The version said it would be compatible with ME.

If you ever do entertain using it again, go with (at least)
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mozilla/releases/mozilla1.4.1/

I will try the 1.4.1 as you suggest. I did see this version, but, was not
sure if it would be ok to use with ME.

[caveat: I'm a pseudo-amateur software-end-user . . . I've just been
"here-and-there", and "done that" more often than not ;-) ]

Hmm...'k...I promise I won't hold you responsible for any left turns I make
from a right turn lane only. But, f'I were you, I'd wouldn't want to be
driving
on either side of me just in case. ;-))

http://www.mozilla.org/releases/stable.html

There are always 'Release Notes' available (installation instructions, system
requirements, what's new, and a list of known issues that you should review
before reporting a new bug).

Report a new bug? There's bugs? Ahmm..now..in keeping with the AV theme
and topics here, we've discussed migrating, emigrating and emanating worms,

http://www.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla1.4.1/

http://www.mozilla.org/docs/end-user/guide/get-started.html#before-installin
g-mozilla

Windows ME is listed for all the Mozilla versions, AFAICS.

'k....this is good.

There are (basically) two versions:

One is an .exe Installer that automates most of the system integration (adds
stuff to the registry automatically).

http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mozilla/releases/mozilla1.4.1/mozilla
-win32-1.4.1-installer.exe

This is the one I usually use, as it usually set up the registry and all
the parts to parts and stuff to stuff, then I don't have to worry if I have
forgotten to hook somebody up with the right date, or forgot to properly
introduce File A to File B and they wind up snubbing each other.

The other is a .zip archive of the software--'unzip' it, and activate
'mozilla.exe' to run the software (does not modify the registry, unless you
choose to make it your default web/mail client (or associate files of certain
types to be opened by it)).

http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mozilla/releases/mozilla1.4.1/mozilla
-win32-1.4.1.zip

I've not used either (or any of the others), but I know many who swear by
them--they are News reader/senders: dedicated to just reading news.host.com (or
USENET), as far as I know. You'll need another piece of software to send email
(though, I believe, there is POP email-ability with one, or more).

And...so... if I used these programs I would then need one of the other
pieces of software to go with what I already have to do the job that the
software I already have will do on it's own even though I don't have the
other software? 'k...I see....

Modularization is the ability to have different pieces of software that suit
your needs/preferences--having one piece of software to do 'everything' is not
always the best path, as "one size does not fit all" ;-) A paradigm that does
kinda negate the idea of the Mozilla Suite . . . though it /is/ a nice

Suite.

I see..then I would then need these other pieces of software to do all the
other jobs that the one wazoolie program I have would not do by itself
because it can't wear all the hats at once. Right? Well...that's clear
enough.

I've been quite happy with Moz over the past three years--it has been my friend.
But, Mozilla.org is currently in the process of deprecating the 'one size fits
all' theme, and is going to fully split the Suite into its separate components
before too much time has passed.

Of course...why leave something that works so well alone? That's
un-American, suppresses free enterprise, and promotes efficiency. If it's
not
broken, it obviously needs fixing.

I've made that transition recently: use Firebird for my web browser, and
Thunderbird for my email/news client. It's a different strategy, but it seems
to be a working one.

Sounds really great, but..uhmm, think I should leave the birds alone for
now, and stick to the land critters for a while. When I get a bit more
familiar with things, maybe I try the wings.

A frequently used 'exploit' when using OE is to have an attachment included
within an HTML email (or newsgroup message, if that newsgroup allows HTML
posting) automatically run itself--if a person has Updated their system with a
'fix' to this problem, and/or does not view email as HTML, this is not much of a
problem. But, if the patch to fix this 'exploit' has not been applied, and a
person has not set OE to view all email as plain text, that person's system is
susceptible to having a malicious attachment automatically execute (and do harm
to the system).

I always have my OE set to plain text, and now that I use MailWasher, I
don't have to worry about anything with an attachment. When MailWasher
signals that I have e-mails, I can review the list of e-mails before they
are downloaded and delete the ones I don't want from the server, and then
click the Send/Receive button in OE to download the ones I want. This gives
me more control over what gets downloaded. Just one thing I noticed, and
that is sometimes the message I want to download to the OE will not download
for some reason. So I have to open it from the MW. Don't know why this
happens, Help doesn't seem to cover this, but, it only happens now and then.
Guess I just need to do a bit more research on the features.

Mozilla/Thunderbird/Gravity/XNews/Forté (Free) Agent effectively circumvent the
abuse of this exploit . . . which is a key selling-point

Gravity: http://gravity.tbates.org/

XNews: http://xnews.newsguy.com/

Free Agent: http://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php

Ah...well..I tried Agent a while back on my test machine, and I did not like
it, I did not like at all. I did not like the format, I did not like the
font, I never knew where I was at, and usually got what I didn't want. No..I
did not like.

Let me say, though: OE is not evil (or, at-root, 'bad') . . . it's just that
its 'default settings' and notoriety facilitate a lot of unwanted attention from
malignant forces . . . .

Yes..I will agree that this seems to be the case, as I have done some
extensive research on this and the OE Rules. I can just feel those here

Ahh, think and read a lot before making too many decisions . . . "not sure if it
would be ok to use with ME" becomes ". . . be sure if it would be ok to use with
YOU", with mindfulness and time

I always read everything that comes with, so that I know all that I am
getting myself into, and that I know what I need to do with what comes
with. Otherwise, how else would I know?? See?

Er, back to being On-Topic: . . . what does MailWasher do? I've not explored
it, at all . . . .

I have only been using it myself for a few weeks, but, actually, it is
pretty neat. It filters all your e-mails according to the filters you set
up,
similar to Rules in OE, but, the filters in the MW work much better than
the Rules in OE. Again, I've done a lot of research on the combinations
of Rules and found that many of them just don't work. There are some
who say nay, but, many understand, and, as do you, know the shortcomings
and vulnerability of OE. As I said before, I can review all my e-mails
when I start up my computer and delete all that I don't want right at
the server, then just open OE and manually download what I do want
to download. Then, as new e-mails come into the server, MW lets me
know, and I can review what is there and either delete from the server,
or manually download to OE. I have not had it long enough to really
know all the features, and I would like to find out how to have it
automatically delete the blacklist senders so that I don't have to always
go through all those to delete them> But, it is still better than messing
with the OE rules that don't work. Here is the home of MailWasher.
You can review the program features. They have a free version, the
one I use, and my good friend Heather, one of the pro AV responders
here says it works just a good as the wallet version. So, if you want,
you can try it and see if it works for you.

http://www.mailwasher.net/
Well...all I can say is...you've obviously been hanging around me too
long... ;-)))))

 

[optikl]

In Message-ID:<[email protected]> posted on Mon, 27 Oct


Today that changed, the suburban eucalyptus grove areas have pretty much
all been burnt and the fires are entering the surrounding forests where
the beetle killed pines ARE the major fuel. The small towns in and
around those forests are now the most vulnerable.
google for "Julian CA"

Sean Hannity is blaming the "tree huggers" for these fires. If we'd just
allow de-forrestation...........
It's amazing whom you can find to blame for things, if you just take the
time .

 

[Jan Il]

Sean Hannity is blaming the "tree huggers" for these fires. If we'd just
allow de-forrestation...........
It's amazing whom you can find to blame for things, if you just take the
time .

Well..you're right.....but, being someone, along with thousands of others,
who have been surrounded by, and living through all this devastation,
smoke thick as mud, a constant rain of ash, soot and God knows what
else, trying to keep my family (in my case, my elderly parents) safe and
well, I really don't care at the moment who or what the started it, I just
pray
that it is over soon!

It looks like a war zone in every direction, and it ain't over yet, still
flare ups,
new fires starting here and there. We have had the fires knocking at our
back door, most roads and freeways closed in all directions but one...to
move out thousands of people. It is easy for people to sit safely out of
harms way and point fingers and be armchair news reporters and experts.
But, unless you see it, feel it, know the extreme fear of it, looking at
your
elderly parents and seeing their heart-wrenching dread of losing everything,
and praying that God will give you the strength to keep them safe.... then
they don't know what they're talking about.

'nuf said .....I'll leave it to the 'experts'.......

 

[optikl]

Well..you're right.....but, being someone, along with thousands of others,
who have been surrounded by, and living through all this devastation,
smoke thick as mud, a constant rain of ash, soot and God knows what
else, trying to keep my family (in my case, my elderly parents) safe and
well, I really don't care at the moment who or what the started it, I just
pray
that it is over soon!

So do I. Believe me, I feel for everyone suffering through this devastation.

 

[optikl]

So do I. Believe me, I feel for everyone suffering through this devastation.

I forgot. I'll keep you in my prayers.

 

[ah]

Hi ;-)

Jan Il wrote:

[snip]

Just one last thing (please): could you post the link to the mozilla binary you
dl'ed?

I first downloaded the 1.5 version at http://www.mozilla.org/, but, it just
crashed my system when I tried to open it.

I'm sorry, in re-checking the download file, I found I mis-stated the
version before, it was the 1.0.2 that I subsequently downloaded at
http://www.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla1.0.2.html and installed.

Oh! That's a tight spot . . . but 1.0.x is a year old! And has multiple
security 'issues', to-boot!

Oh...well...I didn't know that....but, then, I don't know anything at all
about Mozilla. The version said it would be compatible with ME.

If you ever do entertain using it again, go with (at least)
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mozilla/releases/mozilla1.4.1/

I will try the 1.4.1 as you suggest. I did see this version, but, was not
sure if it would be ok to use with ME.

[caveat: I'm a pseudo-amateur software-end-user . . . I've just been
"here-and-there", and "done that" more often than not ;-) ]

Hmm...'k...I promise I won't hold you responsible for any left turns I make
from a right turn lane only. But, f'I were you, I'd wouldn't want to be
driving on either side of me just in case. ;-))
!

http://www.mozilla.org/releases/stable.html

There are always 'Release Notes' available (installation instructions, system
requirements, what's new, and a list of known issues that you should review
before reporting a new bug).

Report a new bug? There's bugs? Ahmm..now..in keeping with the AV theme
and topics here, we've discussed migrating, emigrating and emanating worms,
maggots of the Advant artistic persuasion, and now....bugs. <sigh>

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/bugzilla/about.html

One thing I really love about mozilla.org is that every bug (and there /are/ a
lot of them) is in the open

'k....this is good.

http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla....ozilla1.4.1/mozilla-win32-1.4.1-installer.exe

This is the one I usually use, as it usually set up the registry and all
the parts to parts and stuff to stuff, then I don't have to worry if I have
forgotten to hook somebody up with the right date, or forgot to properly
introduce File A to File B and they wind up snubbing each other.

You might be pleasantly suprised--both versions function in almost the exact
same manner.

Only problem (I think) is that certain plugins use the registry to get the info
on how to make their hooks.

And...so... if I used these programs I would then need one of the other
pieces of software to go with what I already have to do the job that the
software I already have will do on it's own even though I don't have the
other software? 'k...I see....
Exactly!


I see..then I would then need these other pieces of software to do all the
other jobs that the one wazoolie program I have would not do by itself
because it can't wear all the hats at once. Right? Well...that's clear
enough.
Precisely!


Of course...why leave something that works so well alone? That's
un-American, suppresses free enterprise, and promotes efficiency. If it's
not broken, it obviously needs fixing.

So, I get the feeling you're not a 'tinkerer' . . . ?

Sounds really great, but..uhmm, think I should leave the birds alone for
now, and stick to the land critters for a while. When I get a bit more
familiar with things, maybe I try the wings.

Good plan.

Be careful with that OE, though . . . .

I always have my OE set to plain text, and now that I use MailWasher, I
don't have to worry about anything with an attachment. When MailWasher
signals that I have e-mails, I can review the list of e-mails before they
are downloaded and delete the ones I don't want from the server, and then
click the Send/Receive button in OE to download the ones I want. This gives
me more control over what gets downloaded. Just one thing I noticed, and
that is sometimes the message I want to download to the OE will not download
for some reason. So I have to open it from the MW. Don't know why this
happens, Help doesn't seem to cover this, but, it only happens now and then.
Guess I just need to do a bit more research on the features.

Aye; vetting's a good thing . . . especially since dl'ing a bunch of 143K emails
is a real bummer, at times.

My favo(u)rite vetter is pop3browser:

http://packages.debian.org/unstable/mail/pop3browser.html

but "Windows !=Debian", so . . . .

Ah...well..I tried Agent a while back on my test machine, and I did not like
it, I did not like at all. I did not like the format, I did not like the
font, I never knew where I was at, and usually got what I didn't want. No..I
did not like.

Aye; same here. Pan (UNIX) gives me the same feelings . . . .

Yes..I will agree that this seems to be the case, as I have done some
extensive research on this and the OE Rules. I can just feel those here
cringing that you mentioned this <g>, so I won't go into details, but, I
understand what you are saying in this regard and agree. ;-))

Same idea wrt anti-virus software: a person can have utter faith in their
mindfulness and restraint; but, in the end (especially when magnetic storage
media and precious digital content are concerned), it is good to have a pillow
on which to land.

All it takes is one, little mistake, and . . . BOOM!

I always read everything that comes with, so that I know all that I am
getting myself into, and that I know what I need to do with what comes
with. Otherwise, how else would I know?? See?

I think I do . . . I worked hard to get my BS from hardknocks.edu: yet, it
often takes making the same mistake three, or twelve, times for me to really
understand ;-)

I have only been using it myself for a few weeks, but, actually, it is
pretty neat. It filters all your e-mails according to the filters you set
up, similar to Rules in OE, but, the filters in the MW work much better than
the Rules in OE. Again, I've done a lot of research on the combinations
of Rules and found that many of them just don't work. There are some
who say nay, but, many understand, and, as do you, know the shortcomings
and vulnerability of OE. As I said before, I can review all my e-mails
when I start up my computer and delete all that I don't want right at
the server, then just open OE and manually download what I do want
to download. Then, as new e-mails come into the server, MW lets me
know, and I can review what is there and either delete from the server,
or manually download to OE. I have not had it long enough to really
know all the features, and I would like to find out how to have it
automatically delete the blacklist senders so that I don't have to always
go through all those to delete them> But, it is still better than messing
with the OE rules that don't work. Here is the home of MailWasher.
You can review the program features. They have a free version, the
one I use, and my good friend Heather, one of the pro AV responders
here says it works just a good as the wallet version. So, if you want,
you can try it and see if it works for you.

http://www.mailwasher.net/

Very interesting, indeed.

The Free version only supports one account (I have 9), but that seems
reasonable: if I wanted to actually 'use' it, I would need the Full version.

I may try it to see what it can do . . . worth a try, I guess ;-)

Well...all I can say is...you've obviously been hanging around me too
long... ;-)))))

Ever read "Neverending Story"? ". . . but that's another story, for another day."

 

[Bart Bailey]

In Message-ID:<Z2Xnb.84726$vj2.47762@fed1read06> posted on Wed, 29 Oct

It looks like a war zone in every direction

Here's an interesting account of just one neighborhood
of the many involved in this "mother of all wild fires"
http://tinyurl.com/sydp
....and if a picture is worth 1000 words,
here's one from space:
http://tinyurl.com/sk0p
(day 299 was Sunday)