Mailclient choice

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Cruising Chrissy

I find Eudora's UI just fine but as your mailboxes grow then it
seems to need more and more resources. Also I get the feeling that
the owner's of Eudora, Qualcomm, are not really interested in
keeping it up to date.

How so that you believe they don't want to keep it up to date?
 
C

Christopher Jahn

And said:
Tell us how it's confused you.

Couldn't find things easily. Couldn't find the Inbox, outbox,
or different account folders. Didn't give clear, concise or
accurate error messages. It wasn't until I went to another
client that the problem was discovered to be a bad username.
Eudora kept spouting crap like "I said HELLO, They said
GOODBYE".

Dreck.
PS - it's considered bad manners to set a "follow-up"
without saying so in the body of your posting.

It's also poor practice to change a post from a single group
to a cross post.

BTW, it's crossposted back the original group. I will not
carry on this discusion in a Eudora forum, where people
willsimply to defend a crap mail client. There are far
superior choices to Eudora, and the question "isn't what's
wrong with Eudora" but "what's a good freeware mail client".

Follow-up set.

--
:) Christopher Jahn
:-(

http://home.comcast.net/~xjahn/Main.html

"Sometimes I think war is God's way of teaching us
geography.."  - Paul
Rodriguez
 
J

John

Cruising Chrissy said:
How so that you believe they don't want to keep it up to date?

If you want to try a really good free email client & Spam remover ,
this is very good .

I can look at my mail on the ISP's server , delete ( spam removal ) ,
reply , click on links & if I want it on my comp , click on Move to >
Archive .
Use right click for some of the functions .

You can still leave any other email client installed . Just a matter
of choosing which one you want as default .

http://www.geminisoft.com/geminisoft/
http://geminisoft.com/geminisoft.eng/
http://geminisoft.com/geminisoft.eng/homepage.asp
http://geminisoft.com/pimmy.eng/frameset.htm
http://geminisoft.com/pimmy.eng/caratteristiche.htm
Pimmy - Your personal postman.

Geminisoft Pimmy lets you manage your electronic mail easily and
everywhere you are. The full
program may be put on a floppy!
What you can do using Pimmy:

* manage an unlimited number of mailboxes ;
* read and write messages on newsgroups ;
* check for new messages and be warned about them;
* store messages in folders;
* group messages by thread in a new tree view;
* automatically download mail and newsgroup messages from the
mailboxes you desire to one or more folders;
* use filters to decide what messages to download and where;
* read on-line only the message in which you are interested in, not
downloading all and leaving mail on the server until you decide to
delete them;
* read a preview of first 200 lines of a message on-line without
reading it completely or dowloading it;
* delete a message on-line without reading it completely or dowloading
it;
* write your messages off-line and send them when connected to
Internet, moving all sent messages in a special folder;
* send messages using different providers easily;
* manage an address book ;
* manage different senders and signatures (even with only one
mailbox);
attach files and documents;
* listen to audio files and watch videos using the built-in mini
player.
 
A

Andy Boze

Franky said:
I find Eudora's UI just fine but as your mailboxes grow then it
seems to need more and more resources. Also I get the feeling that
the owner's of Eudora, Qualcomm, are not really interested in
keeping it up to date.

However, I REALLY do like its filtering capabilities and its
multiple accounts (which it calls "personalities" or "personas").

If other emailers could do those two things as well as Eudora then
maybe I would go and use them instead.
Mozilla has reasonably good filtering capabilities. Mozilla also
supports multiple accounts. I have one IMAP account, three POP accounts
and three news server accounts. Beginning with version 1.7, you can have
multiple identities. Might be worth a look if you haven't tried it.

http://www.mozilla.org/

Andy......................
 
F

Franky

Christopher Jahn said:
Frankly, I find Mozilla's filters to work just fine, the
multiple accounts work just as well.

I understand that Mozilla's multiple accounts are different to
those of Eudora in that Mozilla keeps the mailboxes for each of the
accounts separate and there is no way to receive mail from account
A and put it into the mailbox for account B.

As for personas, I use
those in News, and Xnews does it better than Eudora.

I too find Xnews is good but it is mainly a news reader.

It's support for "identities" is very good and although Xnews can
send email it lacks a lot of features found in regular email
programs (eg. address book, mail filtering, html browser, spell
checker, etc).
Eudora has a confusing UI and error messages even more
worthless than Windows'.

I find the UI is quite workable. I agree that the error messages
are not wonderful.

Are there any particular aspects of the UI or of the error messages
you have in mind which you think are paticularly bad?
 
F

Franky

Christopher Jahn said:
Couldn't find things easily. Couldn't find the Inbox, outbox,
or different account folders.

Inbox and outbox are quite easy to find.

Different accounts so not have different folders unless you set
them specifically.

Didn't give clear, concise or
accurate error messages. It wasn't until I went to another
client that the problem was discovered to be a bad username.
Eudora kept spouting crap like "I said HELLO, They said
GOODBYE".

The following text in the Eurdora message usually tells you a bit
more about what happened. Often the message is truncated by the
window and the window needs opening up a bit.

Dreck.


It's also poor practice to change a post from a single group
to a cross post.

BTW, it's crossposted back the original group. I will not
carry on this discusion in a Eudora forum, where people
willsimply to defend a crap mail client.

I don't think Eudora is that great and I am actively looking for an
alternative. However I can't find anything which meets my needs
which is better.

Can't see that the Eudora newsgroup is something to avoid though.
There are far
superior choices to Eudora, and the question "isn't what's
wrong with Eudora" but "what's a good freeware mail client".

Fair point.
 
F

Franky

Cruising Chrissy said:
How so that you believe they don't want to keep it up to date?


There was a very long time gap before the current slew of
Eudora version 6 releases.

A year or so ago, Eudora stayed on a buggy version (version 5.1? Or
maybe it was a later version 4) for a heartstoppingly long time.
Good job i didn;t hold my breath! :)

During that time other mail programs like Pegasus were getting
regular while Eudora was languishing.

In truth version 6 is not a great leap forward from version 5.
Qualcomm did not do enough to justify charging a licence fee to
most version 5 users who wanted to move to version 6.
 
C

Christopher Jahn

And said:
I understand that Mozilla's multiple accounts are different
to those of Eudora in that Mozilla keeps the mailboxes for
each of the accounts separate and there is no way to
receive mail from account A and put it into the mailbox for
account B.

That's not true. filters will allow you to do this, if this
is the kind of thing you want to do.




--
:) Christopher Jahn
:-(

http://home.comcast.net/~xjahn/Main.html

“The older generation thought nothing of getting up at five in
the
morning, and the younger generation doesn’t think much of it
either.”
John J. Welsh
 
M

ms

John said:
If you want to try a really good free email client & Spam remover ,
this is very good .

I can look at my mail on the ISP's server , delete ( spam removal ) ,
reply , click on links & if I want it on my comp , click on Move to >
Archive .
Use right click for some of the functions .

You can still leave any other email client installed . Just a matter
of choosing which one you want as default .

http://www.geminisoft.com/geminisoft/
http://geminisoft.com/geminisoft.eng/
http://geminisoft.com/geminisoft.eng/homepage.asp
http://geminisoft.com/pimmy.eng/frameset.htm
http://geminisoft.com/pimmy.eng/caratteristiche.htm
Pimmy - Your personal postman.

Geminisoft Pimmy lets you manage your electronic mail easily and
everywhere you are. The full
program may be put on a floppy!
What you can do using Pimmy:

* manage an unlimited number of mailboxes ;
* read and write messages on newsgroups ;
* check for new messages and be warned about them;
* store messages in folders;
* group messages by thread in a new tree view;
* automatically download mail and newsgroup messages from the
mailboxes you desire to one or more folders;
* use filters to decide what messages to download and where;
* read on-line only the message in which you are interested in, not
downloading all and leaving mail on the server until you decide to
delete them;
* read a preview of first 200 lines of a message on-line without
reading it completely or dowloading it;
* delete a message on-line without reading it completely or dowloading
it;
* write your messages off-line and send them when connected to
Internet, moving all sent messages in a special folder;
* send messages using different providers easily;
* manage an address book ;
* manage different senders and signatures (even with only one
mailbox);
attach files and documents;
* listen to audio files and watch videos using the built-in mini
player.

In Pimmy, when you view a post in a newsgroup, does the *brief* header appear
above the message so that both can be easily copied as one clip?

Thunderbird does not seem to do this.

Mike Sa
 
A

Angelo Donatiello

ms said:
In Pimmy, when you view a post in a newsgroup, does the *brief* header appear
above the message so that both can be easily copied as one clip?

In the message preview usually Pimmy displays: subject, from, newsgroup and
date. By clicking the "Details" check box Pimmy displays *all* the header +
the message text. Both ways the header fields and text may be selected and
copied.

In addition a message may be opened as text using your text editor and all
header and text is available.

Bye,
 
C

Cruising Chrissy

There was a very long time gap before the current slew of
Eudora version 6 releases.

A year or so ago, Eudora stayed on a buggy version (version 5.1? Or
maybe it was a later version 4) for a heartstoppingly long time.
Good job i didn;t hold my breath! :)

During that time other mail programs like Pegasus were getting
regular while Eudora was languishing.

In truth version 6 is not a great leap forward from version 5.
Qualcomm did not do enough to justify charging a licence fee to
most version 5 users who wanted to move to version 6.

Fair enough. I believe Pegasus was behind the curve at Eudora's 5
versions and the 5 versions were no more buggy (from posts here) than
the 6 versions. I agree about the license fees though and refused to
pay them from 5 to 6 until I have run 6 sponsored for a few months. So
far, running 4 versions of 6 simultaneously, no real problems (no data
lost).
 
M

ms

Angelo said:
In the message preview usually Pimmy displays: subject, from, newsgroup and
date. By clicking the "Details" check box Pimmy displays *all* the header +
the message text. Both ways the header fields and text may be selected and
copied.

In addition a message may be opened as text using your text editor and all
header and text is available.

Bye,

Thanks, Angelo. To confirm what you said, what I see below is what I could also
see in the Pimmy message preview window. That is the window where a post is
normally viewed?

Mike Sa
 
J

jason

ms said:
Thanks, Angelo. To confirm what you said, what I see below is what I
could also see in the Pimmy message preview window. That is the window
where a post is normally viewed?

I'm not Angelo, but yes, you can copy an *entire* post, headers and all,
from the preview window, which is the window where the post is normally
viewed. The default header is the brief header (which is what you want),
but like Angelo said, you can also view the full header.

So if you like to save select newsgroup posts with the headers intact,
you're in business with Pimmy! And you don't have to open a separate
window to do it.
 
A

Angelo Donatiello

ms said:
Thanks, Angelo. To confirm what you said, what I see below is what I could also
see in the Pimmy message preview window. That is the window where a post is
normally viewed?

Right. That is the preview window, it shows up to 200 lines of message and
for newsgroup usually means all the message. If you check the "Details"
check-box you will see in the same window the "raw" message with full
header. In addition you can open the message "as text" in you external text
editor.

Please note that messages are stored to disk as raw messages if this can be
of any interest for you.

Bye,
 
M

ms

jason said:
I'm not Angelo, but yes, you can copy an *entire* post, headers and all,
from the preview window, which is the window where the post is normally
viewed. The default header is the brief header (which is what you want),
but like Angelo said, you can also view the full header.

So if you like to save select newsgroup posts with the headers intact,
you're in business with Pimmy! And you don't have to open a separate
window to do it.
Thanks to Jason and Angelo.

I am copying these replies in Thunderbird. With all the hoopla, that newreader
has some nice features.

BUT, it can't copy a post in a single pass as I noted earlier, unless I also get
the entire full header details. That is a major flaw, something that old Netscape
4.79 did much better.

Mike Sa
 

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