Mail from "Pricelessware Admin" ??

R

Romain Petges

Hi all,

I just got this eMail from a person named "Pricelessware Admin" :-o ...
it's a joke, isn't it ??

=============

To whom it may concern,

We at http://www.pricelessware.org would like to start offering a CD that
contains all of the freeware programs listed on our site. We are doing this
to help out those that have dial up. We would only be charging for the cost
of the materials. In the USA it would not exceed $3 We would like your
permission to include your program Attribute Changer on the Pricelessware
CD.

==============
 
S

Steven Burn

Romain Petges said:
Hi all,

I just got this eMail from a person named "Pricelessware Admin" :-o ...
it's a joke, isn't it ??

=============

To whom it may concern,

We at http://www.pricelessware.org would like to start offering a CD that
contains all of the freeware programs listed on our site. We are doing this
to help out those that have dial up. We would only be charging for the cost
of the materials. In the USA it would not exceed $3 We would like your
permission to include your program Attribute Changer on the Pricelessware
CD.

==============

I knew a few people on here were talking about starting something like
this.... didn't realise anything had been finalized. (better hurry up and
get my EULA updated then, lol).

--
Regards

Steven Burn
Ur I.T. Mate Group
www.it-mate.co.uk

Keeping it FREE!

Disclaimer:
I know I'm probably wrong, I just like taking part ;o)
 
D

DC

Romain Petges wrote in said:
I just got this eMail from a person named "Pricelessware Admin" :-o ...
it's a joke, isn't it ??

To whom it may concern,
We at http://www.pricelessware.org would like to start offering a CD that
contains all of the freeware programs listed on our site. We are doing this
to help out those that have dial up. We would only be charging for the cost
of the materials. In the USA it would not exceed $3 We would like your
permission to include your program Attribute Changer on the Pricelessware
CD.
==============

Could you please post the email message's source? I'm sure that there
would be much interest in seeing that, here.
 
M

MLC

venerdì 23/gen/2004 _DC_ ha scritto:
Could you please post the email message's source? I'm sure that there
would be much interest in seeing that, here.

Posted now another on news.software.readers:
<S5DS8CI438009.6566666667@anonymous>
I think it's urgent to make something against it.
 
O

omega

MLC said:
venerdì 23/gen/2004 _DC_ ha scritto:


Posted now another on news.software.readers:
<S5DS8CI438009.6566666667@anonymous>
I think it's urgent to make something against it.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
| From: Anonymous <[email protected]>
| Comments: This message did not originate from the above address.
| It was remailed by two or more anonymous mail services.
| Organization: (e-mail address removed)
|
| We at http://www.pricelessware.org would like to start offering
[...]
| Thank You
|
| Pricelessware Admin
|
 
D

DC

MLC wrote in said:
venerdì 23/gen/2004 _DC_ ha scritto:
Posted now another on news.software.readers:
<S5DS8CI438009.6566666667@anonymous>
I think it's urgent to make something against it.

I just saw that, too. I wonder how long before the sock is identified.

A real dumbass, posting via anon remailer, too... Let's hope this dies
a quick death.
 
A

Anonymous

|
|Hi all,
|
|I just got this eMail from a person named "Pricelessware Admin" :-o ...
|it's a joke, isn't it ??

Not a joke at all. It is a really good idea. I made a
pricelessware account at hotmail so that I could see which
emails needed to be sent again. Some contact info from authors
web sites is outdated. Some one has to ask the authors for
permission to include their programs on a CD. I have already
contacted every program author from A-M. So far there are 20
authors that say yes and 4 that say no.


On a side note the author of Dependency Walker replied with this

Dependency Walker is actually property of Microsoft, so I don't
personally
have the rights to let you put it on the CD. In the past,
requests like
this have usually been turned down.

I stuck this one in the no section as there might be an issue if
he has no right to make the program available.

-=-
 
S

Steve H

|
|Hi all,
|
|I just got this eMail from a person named "Pricelessware Admin" :-o ...
|it's a joke, isn't it ??

Not a joke at all. It is a really good idea. I made a
pricelessware account at hotmail so that I could see which
emails needed to be sent again. Some contact info from authors
web sites is outdated. Some one has to ask the authors for
permission to include their programs on a CD. I have already
contacted every program author from A-M. So far there are 20
authors that say yes and 4 that say no.


On a side note the author of Dependency Walker replied with this

Dependency Walker is actually property of Microsoft, so I don't
personally
have the rights to let you put it on the CD. In the past,
requests like
this have usually been turned down.

I stuck this one in the no section as there might be an issue if
he has no right to make the program available.

-=-
Dunno about anyone else, but this doesn't feel right to me.
I agree that it's an interesting idea, it's more the method that
concerns me.

Why the anonymity, for a start?

Regards,
 
A

Anonymous

|Dunno about anyone else, but this doesn't feel right to me.
|I agree that it's an interesting idea, it's more the method that
|concerns me.
|
|Why the anonymity, for a start?

People are a little paranoid. Who cares if I am posting
anonymously? People need to focus on the right thing here.
Basically all I am doing is the leg work. The people that
replied to the orginal thread about a Pricelessware CD seem to
be in favor it. I didn't see anyone stepping up to do the leg
work. There has to be a general idea on how many authors will
allow their programs to be included on a CD. If for example only
half the programs listed On Pricelessware are approved by the
authors than it might not be worth it to do a CD. What I posted
is the same thing I am sending to the authors. I ask them if it
would be ok to include their program on a CD. I will post their
replys here is that is what you wish.

-=-
 
R

Romain Petges

Maybe it's a good idea, but I want to know the identity of the person I'm
talking with. So, why are you sending eMails with an invalid identity ?

Regards, Romain
 
S

Steve H

|Dunno about anyone else, but this doesn't feel right to me.
|I agree that it's an interesting idea, it's more the method that
|concerns me.
|
|Why the anonymity, for a start?

People are a little paranoid.

There's nothing paranoid about wanting to know the identity of someone
who claims to be the 'admin' at Pricelessware.
It's not just as badge that's handed out willy-nilly to anyone who's
prepared to buy one with a few bucks ( quite the contrary, in fact ).
Who cares if I am posting
anonymously?

Me, for a start - especially if you're claiming to act on behalf of a
body which you have no right to speak for. Or do you...we don't know.
People need to focus on the right thing here.

Surely the right thing is to place the matter in the hands of those
who're responsible for administrating the Pricelessware pages?
Is that you?
Basically all I am doing is the leg work. The people that
replied to the orginal thread about a Pricelessware CD seem to
be in favor it. I didn't see anyone stepping up to do the leg
work.

That doesn't mean it wasn't happening.
There has to be a general idea on how many authors will
allow their programs to be included on a CD. If for example only
half the programs listed On Pricelessware are approved by the
authors than it might not be worth it to do a CD. What I posted
is the same thing I am sending to the authors. I ask them if it
would be ok to include their program on a CD. I will post their
replys here is that is what you wish.

The issue is not that they replied, rather it's that you - an unknown
entity - masqueraded as someone to do with administration of the
pricelessware pages.

I think it would be wise for those concerned to seriously consider a
trademark, or some other such copyright protection.

Don't get me wrong - I fully understand your motivation, I just
think the method is wrong.

Regards,
 
A

Anonymous

|
|Maybe it's a good idea, but I want to know the identity of the person I'm
|talking with. So, why are you sending eMails with an invalid identity ?

The email I use to contact the authors with is valid. It made
today.

-=-
 
A

Alastair Smeaton

On 23 Jan 2004 23:00:03 -0000, Anonymous
The issue is not that they replied, rather it's that you - an unknown
entity - masqueraded as someone to do with administration of the
pricelessware pages.

I think it would be wise for those concerned to seriously consider a
trademark, or some other such copyright protection.

Don't get me wrong - I fully understand your motivation, I just
think the method is wrong.

Regards,

I think you are right Steve - and while I don't have the time to look
into this, I am interested that i did not see "anonymous" reply here -
I set up filters to get rid of the trolls - but don't have time to
check see which filter blocked the reply above which you saw and
responded too, but was blocked for me.

If it is one which I have seen before, seen that they are a troll, and
therefore blocked, it makes this whole issue more dodgy to me.

What better laugh for one of these trolls than to make a profit from
the work of the freeware authors and those who collect and make
available their efforts :-(

I would encourage anyone asked to get involved in this to think 10
times - not just twice !
 
A

Anonymous

|There's nothing paranoid about wanting to know the identity of someone
|who claims to be the 'admin' at Pricelessware.
|It's not just as badge that's handed out willy-nilly to anyone who's
|prepared to buy one with a few bucks ( quite the contrary, in fact ).
|
|> Who cares if I am posting
|>anonymously?
|
|Me, for a start - especially if you're claiming to act on behalf of a
|body which you have no right to speak for. Or do you...we don't know.

Since I participate in the alt.comp.freeware newsgroup I am a
member of Pricelessware.org


|> People need to focus on the right thing here.
|
|Surely the right thing is to place the matter in the hands of those
|who're responsible for administrating the Pricelessware pages?

Susan does more than her fair share for Pricelessware. She does
more than any one by far. To burden her with even more work is
not fair.

|Is that you?

No I am not responsible for administrating the Pricelessware
pages. This alone does not disqualify me from speakin on behalf
of Pricelessware.

|>Basically all I am doing is the leg work. The people that
|>replied to the orginal thread about a Pricelessware CD seem to
|>be in favor it. I didn't see anyone stepping up to do the leg
|>work.
|
|That doesn't mean it wasn't happening.

You are right of course. I had/have no idea if others were doing
the same thing or not.

|
|> There has to be a general idea on how many authors will
|>allow their programs to be included on a CD. If for example only
|>half the programs listed On Pricelessware are approved by the
|>authors than it might not be worth it to do a CD. What I posted
|>is the same thing I am sending to the authors. I ask them if it
|>would be ok to include their program on a CD. I will post their
|>replys here is that is what you wish.
|
|The issue is not that they replied, rather it's that you - an unknown
|entity - masqueraded as someone to do with administration of the
|pricelessware pages.

I think you misunderstand Pricelessware. The person who
administrates the pages of Pricelessware does not have any more
power than any one else who is a "member" of Pricelessware. They
are only responsible for aking sure that the links work and that
the pages are updated when needed.

|
|I think it would be wise for those concerned to seriously consider a
|trademark, or some other such copyright protection.

I could be wrong about this, but wouldn't this give just one
person the copyright? If so hat if that person left Pricelssware?

|Don't get me wrong - I fully understand your motivation, I just
|think the method is wrong.

That's cool. Atleast the motivation is there.

-=-
 
A

Anonymous

(...)
|What better laugh for one of these trolls than to make a profit from
|the work of the freeware authors and those who collect and make
|available their efforts :-(
|
|I would encourage anyone asked to get involved in this to think 10
|times - not just twice !

I don't know where this profit thing is coming from. I am just
asking software authors if they would be willing to all
Pricelessware to include their programs on a CD. That is all
that I am doing. I have no intention of offering the CD's
myself. I don't even have a burner so that I can't help in that
area. Infact I would probably be on of the first to buy a
Pricelessware CD.

-=-
 
S

Steve H

|There's nothing paranoid about wanting to know the identity of someone
|who claims to be the 'admin' at Pricelessware.
|It's not just as badge that's handed out willy-nilly to anyone who's
|prepared to buy one with a few bucks ( quite the contrary, in fact ).
|
|> Who cares if I am posting
|>anonymously?
|
|Me, for a start - especially if you're claiming to act on behalf of a
|body which you have no right to speak for. Or do you...we don't know.

Since I participate in the alt.comp.freeware newsgroup I am a
member of Pricelessware.org

I disagree... I participate... and I don't consider myself anything
other than a NG participant. Pricelessware is a concept to which we
contribute.
|> People need to focus on the right thing here.
|
|Surely the right thing is to place the matter in the hands of those
|who're responsible for administrating the Pricelessware pages?

Susan does more than her fair share for Pricelessware. She does
more than any one by far. To burden her with even more work is
not fair.

It would have been fair to consult with her first, at least. And
given that you yourself recognise her contribution it would have been
polite to have checked with her first. It would then have been
sensible to have announced any such arrangements made on behalf of the
organisation.
I mean...who's to say you didn't email the authors and say "agree to
this proposal or we'll sling you off the pricelessware page"?

OK, I suspect not, but hey, without accountability there's just
supposition.
|Is that you?

No I am not responsible for administrating the Pricelessware
pages. This alone does not disqualify me from speakin on behalf
of Pricelessware.

So having a vote entitles you to make ad-hoc policy?
I don't believe that.
Do you sincerely believe that by casting one single vote for a piece
of software, you automatically assume the right to speak on behalf of
everyone else who participated?
If that's the case then I assume the right to deny you that privilege
in my capacity as administrator.
|>Basically all I am doing is the leg work. The people that
|>replied to the orginal thread about a Pricelessware CD seem to
|>be in favor it. I didn't see anyone stepping up to do the leg
|>work.
|
|That doesn't mean it wasn't happening.

You are right of course. I had/have no idea if others were doing
the same thing or not.

Indeed, and your efforts - however well-meaning, could have had
unfortunate consequences in ongoing negotiations with those who more
properly considered themselves qualified to speak on behalf of the
organisation.
Perhaps even now Susan is being deluged with emails from concerned
authors...thus creating more work for her?
|
|> There has to be a general idea on how many authors will
|>allow their programs to be included on a CD. If for example only
|>half the programs listed On Pricelessware are approved by the
|>authors than it might not be worth it to do a CD. What I posted
|>is the same thing I am sending to the authors. I ask them if it
|>would be ok to include their program on a CD. I will post their
|>replys here is that is what you wish.
|
|The issue is not that they replied, rather it's that you - an unknown
|entity - masqueraded as someone to do with administration of the
|pricelessware pages.

I think you misunderstand Pricelessware. The person who
administrates the pages of Pricelessware does not have any more
power than any one else who is a "member" of Pricelessware. They
are only responsible for aking sure that the links work and that
the pages are updated when needed.

By common courtesy it's entirely fair to assume that that person, by
dint of their effort, is more entitled to speak on behalf of the
organisation as a whole.
Indeed, even if you disagree, the whole principle of pricelessware is
based on a vote...and you should have stated your intentions and put
them to the same vote that you seem to feel gives you the right to act
on the organisation's behalf.
|
|I think it would be wise for those concerned to seriously consider a
|trademark, or some other such copyright protection.

I could be wrong about this, but wouldn't this give just one
person the copyright? If so hat if that person left Pricelssware?

Yep, I agree that's a knotty point - but at the same time what's to
stop, say, Bill Gates Esq from publishing ' Windows XP - Pricelessware
Edition'?
Perhaps it's something we should consider?
|Don't get me wrong - I fully understand your motivation, I just
|think the method is wrong.

That's cool. Atleast the motivation is there.

Yes, and I'm not criticising the fact that you decided that someone
should get off their arse and put words into practice...I think that's
commendable...it's simply the fact that you claimed to speak on behalf
of pricelessware when I don't believe you had that mandate.

I'm also entirely uncomfortable about your anonymity - anything to do
with the administration of pricelessware should be right out in the
open, or as much as it can be via this medium.

I love the idea, in principle...I'd subscribe - but let's discuss it
first and act when there's at least a general consensus...and let's do
so with full accountability.

Having said all that, it would be churlish to dismiss the results
you've gleaned, I think they clearly demonstrate that the notion of a
CD edition is a possibility.

Regards,
 
B

Ben Cooper

Anonymous said:
|
|Hi all,
|
|I just got this eMail from a person named "Pricelessware Admin" :-o ...
|it's a joke, isn't it ??

Not a joke at all. It is a really good idea.

You're on the right track... but this can't be done
anonymously.
If it's going to be done, it has to be done regardless of
the owner's permission. The MAME burners have been
distributing ROMs they have no rights to distribute, but
they continue to do so.
Real mailing addresses must be involved which are easily
traced or watched.
The true question is, what are freeware authors going to do
about it? Probably not much since it would be outrageously
expensive to track someone down and then pursue individual
lawsuits.
The idea itself is subversive enough that it would probably
attract quite a few participants. My guess is that this idea
will fizzle because no one has the kind of dedication
necessary for it to work.
I'd like to be proven wrong, though.
 
S

Susan Bugher

Romain said:
Hi all,

I just got this eMail from a person named "Pricelessware Admin" :-o ...
it's a joke, isn't it ??

=============

To whom it may concern,

We at http://www.pricelessware.org would like to start offering a CD that
contains all of the freeware programs listed on our site. We are doing this
to help out those that have dial up. We would only be charging for the cost
of the materials. In the USA it would not exceed $3 We would like your
permission to include your program Attribute Changer on the Pricelessware
CD.


Hi Romain,

There is no legitimacy in this unknown person's use of: "Pricelessware
Admin" and "We at http://www.pricelessware.org".

Genna Reeney purchased and owns the www.pricelessware.org domain name
(for the benefit of alt.comp.freeware). The only people presently *at*
www.pricelessware.org are Genna and myself (the current site maintainer).

The "We at http://www.pricelessware.org" implies a situation which does
not exist. There is no *We* in the sense it was used in that email. No
individual is empowered to make decisions and/or speak for the
alt.comp.freeware newsgroup or the Pricelessware site.

Decisions are made *by* alt.comp.freeware participants. Decisions are
made *in* the the alt.comp.freeware newsgroup.

There is a current thread: "Pricelessware CD edition" that evidently
inspired the email you received. The idea is still in the preliminary
discussion stage . . .

IMO . . . ;)

Susan
 
O

omega

Susan Bugher said:
There is no legitimacy in this unknown person's use of: "Pricelessware
Admin"
[...]

Most peculiar indeed, to see the anon entity abruptly crown itself,
"Pricewareware Admin."

I imagine a flock of teens can then follow suit for those titles not yet
seized. Perhaps my 12y/o niece would enjoy sending out mails and posts
signed: "pRiCeLezzWare r00t."

Hey! Wait. Susan, who gets to be Pricelessware CEO?

.. . .

(Btw, don't worry about me. I'm always content to just sit in as a chair.)
 

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