Linux

[Glenn]

I didn't do worth a damn with Knoppix and I can't bother this group for
help.

There is a pot full of ng's for Linux. Can any of you Linux users recommend
one for me?

I got a boot, system check and then ascending blue lines until a ctrl, alt,
esc. Then a, what I assume is their carrot. I remembered somewhere man
man, typed that and got the manual and never got out of it. I found no
demos or programs of any kind. Exit, quit, escape, gotohell, nothing
worked.

Glenn

 

[Richard Steven Hack]

There is a pot full of ng's for Linux. Can any of you Linux users recommend
one for me?

comp.os.linux.help, comp.os.linux.questions, comp.os.linux.setup.

 

[Robin T Cox]

I didn't do worth a damn with Knoppix and I can't bother this group
for help.

There is a pot full of ng's for Linux. Can any of you Linux users
recommend one for me?

See:
http://www.knoppix.net/forum/
http://justlinux.com/

and, for a basic intro:
http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO.html

 

[mike ring]

I didn't do worth a damn with Knoppix and I can't bother this group
for help.

There is a pot full of ng's for Linux. Can any of you Linux users
recommend one for me?

I got a boot, system check and then ascending blue lines until a ctrl,
alt, esc. Then a, what I assume is their carrot. I remembered
somewhere man man, typed that and got the manual and never got out of
it. I found no demos or programs of any kind. Exit, quit, escape,
gotohell, nothing worked.

Glenn

I'm not a linux user, but the cover disc of the current Linux Format has
Fedora on it, and it loaded (with some difficulty, apparently my
partitionig was a mess, partition magic wouldn't even report, Ranish was
unable eo fix, but Slate and Fdisk finally sorted it; that wasn't Fedora's
fault,

However, it installed, plays Freecell, runs openoffice, but eveything
*bloody* slowly, and the file system is monstrous and incomprehensible so
far, and I can't work out what "Windows Explorer" shows, or what the tree
pane shows, or filesize, or defrag etc.

I'd like to clean out quite a bit and defrag (I can't see a tool, does it
have to defrag?) to try to speed it up a bit,

But WTF, I'VE GOT LINUX WORKING, about the 6th distro I've tried

mike r

 

[Glenn]

I'm not a linux user, but the cover disc of the current Linux Format has
Fedora on it, and it loaded (with some difficulty, apparently my
partitionig was a mess, partition magic wouldn't even report, Ranish was
unable eo fix, but Slate and Fdisk finally sorted it; that wasn't Fedora's
fault,

However, it installed, plays Freecell, runs openoffice, but eveything
*bloody* slowly, and the file system is monstrous and incomprehensible so
far, and I can't work out what "Windows Explorer" shows, or what the tree
pane shows, or filesize, or defrag etc.

I'd like to clean out quite a bit and defrag (I can't see a tool, does it
have to defrag?) to try to speed it up a bit,

But WTF, I'VE GOT LINUX WORKING, about the 6th distro I've tried

mike r

I went over to one of the ng's recommended and the first answer said it
looked like I'm a troll for asking a question. Hey, it don't work. I don't
need it. I just thought it might be like a OS I used 30 yrs ago and wanted
to see for myself. Life is short and I am old. Your experience is why I
would never it put on my good machine. Good old Billy Gates and his xp pro.
[ggg]

Glenn

 

[mike ring]

I went over to one of the ng's recommended and the first answer said
it looked like I'm a troll for asking a question.

Got to agree with that, I've found linux newsgroups very unfriendly places

Hey, it don't work.

I don't need it. I just thought it might be like a OS I used 30 yrs
ago and wanted to see for myself. Life is short and I am old. Your
experience is why I would never it put on my good machine. Good old
Billy Gates and his xp pro. [ggg]

Glenn

I don't want to go to XP, I like to own my OS, so I'm sticking to 98se.

I'm sure linux will improve if I learn to make it lean and mean!!! well you
know what I mean, like well tweaked windoze, but they do make it tough,

mike r

 

[DC]

I don't want to go to XP, I like to own my OS, so I'm sticking to 98se.

You think you own your OS, do you? Man, talk about completely missing
the point.

 

[Max]

I'm not a linux user, but the cover disc of the current Linux
Format has Fedora on it, and it loaded (with some difficulty,
apparently my partitionig was a mess, partition magic wouldn't
even report, Ranish was unable eo fix, but Slate and Fdisk finally
sorted it; that wasn't Fedora's fault,

I'd like to know exactly what you mean by partitioning being a mess.
How the bloody hell can a HD's partition be a mess?.

However, it installed, plays Freecell, runs openoffice, but
eveything *bloody* slowly, and the file system is monstrous and
incomprehensible so far, and I can't work out what "Windows
Explorer" shows, or what the tree pane shows, or filesize, or
defrag etc.

Say what? Just what do you mean by "Windows Explorer"?. I highly
doubt the file system is monstrous. More then likely, the file
system is simply incomprehensible to you. Say it that way next time.

Linux isn't slow... Could it be that you are?

I'd like to clean out quite a bit and defrag (I can't see a tool,
does it have to defrag?) to try to speed it up a bit,

Do yourself a favor. Find the closest mirror and look into it. Now
point at the image you see and say "Dumbass Windows User". This
isn't a personal attack either. I'm using imagery to point out the
dumbing down effect end users of $MS products experience.

There *IS* no need to defrag a Linux file system!!! You could have
come to that conclusion on your own if you had thought about it. No
tools -> No need.

But WTF, I'VE GOT LINUX WORKING, about the 6th distro I've tried

Congratulations. But then, after trying and failing at 6 distros has
me betting you'll be climbing right back up the bill gates poop
shoot. There's a double meaning in the word "Longhorn". Think about
it.

Max

 

[Max]

I went over to one of the ng's recommended and the first answer
said it looked like I'm a troll for asking a question.

No doubt. Even the most newbie of linux users can spot trolling a
mile away. Did you by chance mention how hard linux is in contrast
to how easy and simple windows is? Did you somehow infer that
windows is the greatest thing since sliced cheese?. Did you describe
yourself as a total windows knuckle head in that if it isn't the
windows way it isn't the perfect way. Did you ask a really vague and
stupid question? -> One that shows you have no intention at all of
doing things for yourself? And this list could go on...

Hey, it don't work. I don't need it.

That's why Billy Gates has such a large anal cavity. Do us all a
favor and pull in your shoes. BTW - Gates rectum space isn't cheap.
Be sure to have your check or credit card ready.

...Good old Billy Gates and his xp pro...

See what you reveal here?. Troll you were. And they picked up on it!

Max

 

[Max]

Got to agree with that, I've found linux newsgroups very
unfriendly places

It's because social niceties are at the bottom of anyones list.
Diplomacy wastes time. Problems can be solved much faster without
it. Toughen up your skin a bit and get over it. There's nothing
wrong with asking a question provided you "RTFM" and exhaust your
possibilities with google. Showing Linux users you've at least
attempted to do your homework will usually yield the answers you
want. Of course, you still might get flamed for doing so. Ignore it.

I don't want to go to XP, I like to own my OS, so I'm sticking to
98se.

You might to read that EULA you agreed to when you installed gates
ware. You own nothing!

I'm sure linux will improve if I learn to make it lean and mean!!!
well you know what I mean, like well tweaked windoze, but they do
make it tough,

No one makes it tough Mike. You do! The beauty behind linux and all
the included software and source code talented people provide is:
You *are* your own master. No EULA needed! Off with its head!

Max

 

[Offbreed]

I'd like to clean out quite a bit and defrag (I can't see a tool, does it
have to defrag?) to try to speed it up a bit,

No defrag. Windows searches the disk, looking for puzzle piece #1,
then for puzzle piece #2, etc. then starts looking for the next file
pieces, even though it means zig-zagging all over the hard drive.

Linux finds where all the puzzle pieces are, then picks them up in the
order found, one sweep.

A *properly* defragged and organized windows disk might be a touch
faster to start with, but slows down as it fragments. Linux does not.

If your computer is much slower with Linux, then you probably loaded
too many options or you are getting timeouts from somewhere. Need to
check your log files.

No, I don't know enough to be more help than that.

 

[Roger Johansson]

It's because social niceties are at the bottom of anyones list.
Diplomacy wastes time. Problems can be solved much faster without
it. Toughen up your skin a bit and get over it. There's nothing
wrong with asking a question provided you "RTFM" and exhaust your
possibilities with google. Showing Linux users you've at least
attempted to do your homework will usually yield the answers you
want. Of course, you still might get flamed for doing so. Ignore it.

You might to read that EULA you agreed to when you installed gates
ware. You own nothing!

That's why Billy Gates has such a large anal cavity. Do us all a
favor and pull in your shoes. BTW - Gates rectum space isn't cheap.

No one makes it tough Mike. You do! The beauty behind linux and all
the included software and source code talented people provide is:
You *are* your own master. No EULA needed! Off with its head!

Max

Aha, now I understand. It is a manly and tough culture.
No place for niceties, that is for sissies who refuse to be extremely
alert and defend their manly honor.

I have always wondered why there is so much violence in television.
And so much foul language and rude attitudes in usenet.

So this is what it is all about.
A manly and tough culture where concern for others have no place.

This has political and social implications too. No reason to care for
the weak people, they have to learn to fight or die.

So there is no reason to organize a comfortable society for all
people, that would just encourage the sissies and weaklings.

Okay, then we just have to train our children to fight and get tough.

No reason to help others in this newsgroup, if they cannot find out
things by themselves they should get lost and die.

No reason to have any freeware either, people can work and pay for the
software. There is no place for lazy sissies in this world.

Where does this lead us, and whose purposes does this culture serve?

 

[donutbandit]

I went over to one of the ng's recommended and the first answer said it
looked like I'm a troll for asking a question.

The Linux groups are full of arrogant A-holes.

 

[Tiger]

The Linux groups are full of arrogant A-holes.

But they don't make sweeping generalizations.

 

[Box134]

You see, you need to show you don't want or need help before they'll help
you.

 

[John Corliss]

I didn't do worth a damn with Knoppix and I can't bother this group for
help.

There is a pot full of ng's for Linux. Can any of you Linux users recommend
one for me?

I got a boot, system check and then ascending blue lines until a ctrl, alt,
esc. Then a, what I assume is their carrot. I remembered somewhere man
man, typed that and got the manual and never got out of it. I found no
demos or programs of any kind. Exit, quit, escape, gotohell, nothing
worked.

This is to all the people replying in this thread.

Cummon, folks. Let's just mellow out. We all know that whatever UI a
person is started out with and is used to, be it a browser, word
processor, OS, etc.- is the one that person will think is the best.
Blasting at somebody else because they, like everybody else, fall prey
to this reality is pointless. It's real difficult to change a hard
wired paradigm in order to make a major shift to another way of doing
things. This is the basic concept that all major software companies
depend upon to ensure customer loyalty. Heck, some of them even
intentionally make their UI have a steep learning curve (IMO CorelDraw
was such a product) in order to "lock in" their user base.

Using Linux will require effort because it's different from Windows.
That's a fact. I'd say that both have their advantages and some people
will have more trouble adjusting than others. There's no reason to
blast them for it and there's no reason to bad-mouth Linux because
it's not exactly like Windows.

 

[mike ring]

Using Linux will require effort because it's different from Windows.
That's a fact. I'd say that both have their advantages and some people
will have more trouble adjusting than others. There's no reason to
blast them for it and there's no reason to bad-mouth Linux because
it's not exactly like Windows.

Yes John, but check out who was doing the badmouthing..

No I don't know how the linux filesystem works

I do have difficulty sorting out the "Explorer" equivalent in linux, I've
only had it a day.

It did take me half a dozen tries to find a distro I could install

My partitioning Can be a mess - it still is rather, and although I've
managed to reinstall windows, dual booting doesn't appear to be happening

All these things, plus being somewhat of a muppet, are deadly crimes to the
linux fraternity, at least those that post, as we've just seen, and they
love to see folks like me struggle vainly while they sneer.

The MAIN thing I've got against linux, and why do they think I keep trying
if I don't want to get away from the gates empire, is that I might turn
into somebody like them, spiteful, sneering, intellectually arrogant and
emotionially undeveloped and unstable.

Brilliant though they are, the clild inside is not hard to find, it's the
adult that's invisible.

I'm not sure if that's badmouthing or not; their posts say a lot more about
them than I ever could

mike r

 

[John Corliss]

Yes John, but check out who was doing the badmouthing..

No I don't know how the linux filesystem works

I do have difficulty sorting out the "Explorer" equivalent in linux, I've
only had it a day.

It did take me half a dozen tries to find a distro I could install

My partitioning Can be a mess - it still is rather, and although I've
managed to reinstall windows, dual booting doesn't appear to be happening

All these things, plus being somewhat of a muppet, are deadly crimes to the
linux fraternity, at least those that post, as we've just seen, and they
love to see folks like me struggle vainly while they sneer.

The MAIN thing I've got against linux, and why do they think I keep trying
if I don't want to get away from the gates empire, is that I might turn
into somebody like them, spiteful, sneering, intellectually arrogant and
emotionially undeveloped and unstable.

Brilliant though they are, the clild inside is not hard to find, it's the
adult that's invisible.

I'm not sure if that's badmouthing or not; their posts say a lot more about
them than I ever could

Mike,
I'm not pointing any fingers at anybody. I just posted my message
as a reply to yours because it was the start of the long acrimoneous
thread. My remarks were directed to everybody in general, nobody in
particular. Sorry that you took it as being directed directly at you.
I should have clarified that better, since any reply is assumed to be
a direct response to the post next up in the thread (paraphrased from
my own recent words.) I hope that everybody will mellow out about this
and begin engaging in constructive discussion.

 

[Offbreed]

Aha, now I understand. It is a manly and tough culture.
No place for niceties, that is for sissies who refuse to be extremely
alert and defend their manly honor.

LOL, totally wrong. You are describing a jock mentality, not a nerd
mentality.

Nerds get into what they are doing. They don't understand "good
manners", and "manly honor" is just another aspect of good manners.
Mention "manly honor" around most nerds and you will get a look of
blank incomprehension, unless they are gamers (who think manly honor
is something a bit diff than the jocks do).

They do understand cleverness, focus, and hard work. They are very
*task* oriented, not people or social process oriented.

Last post on the subject. If the idea has not gotten across yet, it's
not going to.

 

[DC]

There's a double meaning in the word "Longhorn". Think about
it.

Hence my sig.