Linux Freeware

[Sumairp]

I am planning to migrate to Lindows in the new year with a dual boot
system which will allow me to eventually remove Wundoze.

Lindows appear to have a lot of "standard" freeware, but I was
wondering about not so common tasks.

eg. Audio & Movie editing software. CAD, CFD, Flight Simulation

Suggestions, URL's please?

Thank you,

 

[Joachim Ziebs]

Hi!

I am planning to migrate to Lindows in the new year with a dual boot
system which will allow me to eventually remove Wundoze.

Do yourself a favour and pick a real distribution.
Lindows allows you to run your PC as root, a nono in the Linux world.
Consider Mandrake, Suse or Debian.

Greetings,

Joachim

 

[Sumairp]

Thanks Joachim,

But I really don't want to learn another system.
I want to point & click and get the job done. I have other priorities.

Call me brain dead but Linux in it's various forms has been around as
long as it took M$ to get to the Win95 stage and Linux still don't
seem to have reached that point.

If Mandrake, Suse, Debian or whoever, can do what Lindows is doing,
then I'll consider buying them. No offence to you because I know you
mean well.

Cheers,

 

[Tiger]

If Mandrake, Suse, Debian or whoever, can do what Lindows is doing,
then I'll consider buying them. No offence to you because I know you
mean well.

You can download Mandrake for free and try it. It's come a long way.
Please don't waste your money on Lindows...it's a huge
virus/worm/hacker portal to the world.

 

[Onno Tasler]

But I really don't want to learn another system.
I want to point & click and get the job done. I have other priorities.

Then Mandrake or SuSe should suit your needs - once installed, you can
point and click ahead. You never need to see the command line. (Except
you have problems with your graphic cards driver)

If are not willing to learn a bit about Linux, it is better to stay with
Windows. Regardless of its problems and errors (which other OSes also
have), it does a fine job and is much better than Lindows. (Lindows is a
combination of all annoyances one can find in either OS, letting the
good parts away)

bye,

Onno

 

[LateforWork]

Thanks Joachim,

But I really don't want to learn another system.
I want to point & click and get the job done. I have other priorities.

Call me brain dead but Linux in it's various forms has been around as
long as it took M$ to get to the Win95 stage and Linux still don't
seem to have reached that point.

If Mandrake, Suse, Debian or whoever, can do what Lindows is doing,
then I'll consider buying them. No offence to you because I know you
mean well.

<snip>

FWIW here's my view. Around four months ago I installed Mandrake (9.1 i
recall) in a dual-boot system with win98SE. (I used Partition Magic both
to format/partition my drive and also to use BootMagic which meant that
I could remove linux later, if necessary, without affecting win98se
installation)

I spent some time getting beebnet working with it partly because my isp
at that time (i.e. beebnet) didn't support linux. The mandrake ng
support was great. I got all my stuff (monitor, modem, CD/RW, DVD drive
etc.) working fine with linux, and linux was certainly remarkably
stable. As an example: i made a mistake and caused my pc to try to load
some 200 programs at the same time! Various alert windows popped up,
hundreds of messages flicked on and off, pc slowed to a crawl, etc. BUT
no blue screen and the installation held firm. Amazing stuff.

But down to the nitty-gritty: I missed, yes missed, win98Se. To be
precise i missed firstly its ease of use. Secondly i missed the wealth
of win98se compatible programs which i have and which linux has no
equivalent. Especially in the multimedia field.

After about six weeks I erased linux and now use win98SE exclusively. I
might consider linux again in the future but as long as win98se does
what i want I'll stick with it.

LateforWork

 

[Wald]

Thanks Joachim,

But I really don't want to learn another system.

Then don't switch.

Call me brain dead but Linux in it's various forms has been
around as long as it took M$ to get to the Win95 stage and Linux
still don't seem to have reached that point.

Then you have clearly been off the planet for the last couple of
years. Check out KDE, Gnome and others, they are clearly more
advanced than the Win95 stage.

But: you mention "not so common" software in your OP. In that case, I
would advise you to first do some research on what you exactly need
and wether it's available for Linux.

My only reason to stay with Windows is that the software I use just
isn't available for Linux platforms (advanced sound recording
software). That's about the only valid reason I've got.

Just my 2 cents,
Wald

 

[juzme]

With a very small adaptation you can use apt get with lindows and get all
you've asked about (and 10-thousands more that Debian has to offer) by free
download. I'll have to find the how to for lindows (and other Deb based)
source modification and then post the link for you. BTW, you might also
want to check lycoris.com for a highly intuitive, windows work alike with
economical, "click on" app installations. Further, mandrake really has come
a long way toward a good desktop distro and it uses easy RPMs. Just another
three cents worth. juzme
P.S. Lindows can be a real challenge to set up for dual booting. It wants
to hog your system after every boot, whereas, the other two are good
neighbors with other OS partitions. There's another penny. Bye.

 

[TKO]

"Sumairp" a émis l'idée suivante :

I am planning to migrate to Lindows in the new year with a dual boot
system which will allow me to eventually remove Wundoze.

Lindows appear to have a lot of "standard" freeware, but I was
wondering about not so common tasks.

eg. Audio & Movie editing software. CAD, CFD, Flight Simulation

Suggestions, URL's please?

Thank you,

Heres a site you may be interested in.
The table of equivilants. Shows the Linux equivilant for popular
windows programs.
http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/

 

[LegMan]

Thanks Joachim,

But I really don't want to learn another system.
I want to point & click and get the job done. I have other priorities.

Call me brain dead but Linux in it's various forms has been around as
long as it took M$ to get to the Win95 stage and Linux still don't
seem to have reached that point.

If Mandrake, Suse, Debian or whoever, can do what Lindows is doing,
then I'll consider buying them. No offence to you because I know you
mean well.

Cheers,

I agree with you Sumairp!

So far, every incarnation of Linux I've tried (including purchased CDs)
has been disappointing. Perhaps I am just getting too old and/or there
are WAY too many Linux versions out there? :-(

As a last ditch effort (I'm not getting any younger), I am considering
the purchase of the $30 Lindows CD... the stand-alone one that runs off
the CD!

LegMan (remove 999 for eMail)

 

[SINNER]

* LegMan Wrote in alt.comp.freeware, on Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:08:45 GMT:

Sumairp wrote:

I agree with you Sumairp!

So far, every incarnation of Linux I've tried (including purchased CDs)
has been disappointing. Perhaps I am just getting too old and/or there
are WAY too many Linux versions out there? :-(

As a last ditch effort (I'm not getting any younger), I am considering
the purchase of the $30 Lindows CD... the stand-alone one that runs off
the CD!

You guys need to reconsider and try a recent distro. Mandrake installs
flawlessly for most people (I am sure no harder then Lindows) and is
point and clik if you want it and yet it moves you away from the
monoculture that is Windows. If you want Windows you should stay with
Windows.

To see what your missing grab one of the bootable distros, Texstar
recently released a bootable Mandrake 9.2 distro with all the goodies
and Knoppix is a great "Kick the wheels and lets see what this can do"
Distro. All the previous OS mentions are FREE and the community is huge.

The recent Slackware/Debian/Mandrake/RH/Knoppix releases are not your
fathers Linux, try them before you dismiss it. Lindows really will not
let you experince Linux. They are all free and install Quicker then XP,
you have literally nothing to lose.

 

[Sumairp]

But: you mention "not so common" software in your OP. In that case, I
would advise you to first do some research on what you exactly need
and wether it's available for Linux.

Go back & read my original post.

 

[Sumairp]

"Sumairp" a émis l'idée suivante :

Heres a site you may be interested in.
The table of equivilants. Shows the Linux equivilant for popular
windows programs.
http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/

Exactlty what I was looking for!

Thank you,

 

[Mikk]

I am planning to migrate to Lindows in the new year with a dual boot
system which will allow me to eventually remove Wundoze.

Lindows appear to have a lot of "standard" freeware, but I was
wondering about not so common tasks.

eg. Audio & Movie editing software. CAD, CFD, Flight Simulation

Suggestions, URL's please?

Thank you,

www.morphix.org A 'live' CD that can be installed to HD
Comes in several versions, one using the KDE desktop, one using Gnome
A 'light gui' version for people on less than modern PC's and a very nice
'game' version that includes the online version of RTCW.

www.libranet.com sparse but very useful installer. All the good bits of a
Debian
'distro' and none of the bad - my favourite 'distro' and I tried a lot
before settling on
this one. Dead easy to maintain too, an all too common fault with other
distros

If you want something similar to Lindows but without the annoying "click N
run"
( which you have to pay for ) try Xandros
www.xandros.com
The forthcoming version 2 ( based on Debian 4 ) should be worth waiting for

The only non Debian based distro I would recommend is SuSe 9
www.suse.com

The biggest hurdle for most beginners to Linux is doing the partitioning
Use Partition Magic in Windows and most installs are as easy as Windows to
install

 

[Sumairp]

Thank you for those useful links and comments.

I don't object to paying for a quality OS, but I have just become
tired of the never-ending M$ patches for Win2kPro. It's now getting
slower to boot and shut down.

Patching software means that it was not done properly in the first
place - it's called quality, which Bill knows nothing about.

I have PM6, so no problem in partitioning.

Cheers,

 

[Max Quordlepleen]

I don't object to paying for a quality OS, but I have just become
tired of the never-ending M$ patches for Win2kPro. It's now getting
slower to boot and shut down.

Patching software means that it was not done properly in the first
place - it's called quality, which Bill knows nothing about.

Well, I'm using both W2K and Mandrake 9.2, and just this week, I had to
install 109MB of patches and updates to my Mandrake installation. Linux
is patched with greater frequency than M$, does that mean Linux wasn't
done properly in the first place?

 

[Sumairp]

Well, I'm using both W2K and Mandrake 9.2, and just this week, I had to
install 109MB of patches and updates to my Mandrake installation. Linux
is patched with greater frequency than M$, does that mean Linux wasn't
done properly in the first place?

Yep. It is a work in progress and is honestly presented as such,
unlike your friendly Trustworthy Computing organisation.

Linux doesn't have the security problems of Win2k which is the most
important aspect.

 

[LateforWork]

www.morphix.org A 'live' CD that can be installed to HD
Comes in several versions, one using the KDE desktop, one using Gnome
A 'light gui' version for people on less than modern PC's and a very nice
'game' version that includes the online version of RTCW.

www.libranet.com sparse but very useful installer. All the good bits of a
Debian
'distro' and none of the bad - my favourite 'distro' and I tried a lot
before settling on
this one. Dead easy to maintain too, an all too common fault with other
distros

If you want something similar to Lindows but without the annoying "click N
run"
( which you have to pay for ) try Xandros
www.xandros.com
The forthcoming version 2 ( based on Debian 4 ) should be worth waiting for

The only non Debian based distro I would recommend is SuSe 9
www.suse.com

The biggest hurdle for most beginners to Linux is doing the partitioning
Use Partition Magic in Windows and most installs are as easy as Windows to
install

Apropos my posting on this subject...Yes, I agree wholeheartedly.

If you're going to have a dual boot system, please DO pay attention to
the Partition Magic manual though, ESPECIALLY this:

"WARNING! If
you are using a boot utility like Boot Magic [included with PM, and
which I recommend], LILO (Linux Loader) must be installed to the Linux
partition containing the root directory and not installed to the master
boot record."

During mandrake install you get prompted, so make the right choice

If you don't do this, and subsequently decide to remove linux, you
probably won't be able to boot the other OS :-(

Of course, you're not obliged to use Partition Magic (even though there
/are/ freeware versions around of v5.0 AFAIK, and they will do fine for
dual boot win98se/linux) and Boot Magic, but it will make your life SO
easy.

 

[***Fintan***]

Thanks Joachim,

But I really don't want to learn another system.
I want to point & click and get the job done. I have other priorities.

Call me brain dead but Linux in it's various forms has been around as
long as it took M$ to get to the Win95 stage and Linux still don't
seem to have reached that point.

If Mandrake, Suse, Debian or whoever, can do what Lindows is doing,
then I'll consider buying them. No offence to you because I know you
mean well.

Cheers,

i have just started using redhat 9 for a month now and its great
been a windows user since 95
started with mandrake very much a point and click like windows easy to use
and more targeted for newbies

reason i am with redhat is that i want to learn linux and its a personal
preference

this is posted via xp using pan and i discovered pan in mandrake also in
redhat.
once ive tasted using linux and their software you never go back
to windows

and why am i on xp? my partner still work on windows and i have stuck a
few things that i am used to on linux save having to boot into linux then
back again while she is on phone or what ever
but as she says she is not intersted in linux or other os she have been
seen using linux because its there.she is only interested in software that
does the work. (open office replaces word and its free)
I belive if you and anybody else had linux installed
along side windows when bought a computer you would be using linux more.


fintan

 

[Max Quordlepleen]

Linux doesn't have the security problems of Win2k which is the most
important aspect.

Actually, it does. There are many security holes being found in Linux
on a regular basis.

I was highlighting the hypocritical inconsistency of your position. You
complained that, and I quote,"I have just become tired of the never-
ending M$ patches for Win2kPro", and yet you defend the patches for
Linux. You further said that "Patching software means that it was not
done properly in the first place", but again defend Linux for requiring
as many if not more patches than M$.

It's important to stress that I am not defending M$'s abysmal security
record. I am simply pointing out that you are not being objective. You
castigate M$ for the same behaviour you laud in Linux. If the software
I need was available in Linux, I would probably remove W2K from my box
altogether, but the fact remains that patching W2K to keep it as safe
as possible takes no more time and effort than does patching Mandrake
Linux. As it is, I believe W2K SP4 to be probably the best OS M$ has
released, it is as stable as Mandrake Linux, as easy to patch, and
doesn't carry the DRM baggagae of the XP series.