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Andy
Will a laptop DVD burner work in a SATA type desktop system ?
Thanks.
Thanks.
K
Ken Blake, MVP
First, note that there's really no such thing as "a SATA type desktop
system." A desktop computer could have SATA on the motherboard or on
an add-in card, it could have IDE on the motherboard or on an add-in
card, or it could have both (for example, mine has both).
Second, the laptop's DVD drive could be SATA or IDE, depending on the
laptop.
So whether it would work depends on what kind of drive it is and what
support is on the desktop.
And also note that if the desktop computer doesn't have the kind of
support the drive needs, you can install an add-in card for it.
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Paul
Andy said:
Yes.
Laptop drives don't load down the 12V rail.
That's one difference.
On the connector front, sometimes the drives have
an adapter mated to the drive connector. And any object
like that has to be removed, before the drive can be
connected to a desktop.
This is different than IDE laptop drives, where sometimes
an adapter is needed to go from the higher pincount laptop
connector, to the pinout a desktop uses. SATA by comparison,
should be easier to figure out, and cable up.
Paul
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Paul in Houston TX
Andy said:
Maybe. It will likely need a Slimline SATA to SATA adaptor.
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Andy
This is a pic of the DVD connector.
I can not figure out what connector would be needed. Link to
connector pic is below.
If I found the right connector, would it connect to an IDE port on the MB ?
http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b516/drew77580/LaptopDVD_Connection_zps4c33885a.jpg
Andy
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Andy
I am asking these question because I got a 64 bit partial system.
No hard drive yet, but it boots up o.k. but bios does not let you boot from
a pen drive. :-(
So for now, I can't run boot up an O.S. since I have no CD/DVD burner/player to boot from.
I have found a program to update the BIOS, maybe the newer version will allow pendrive bootups.
Andy
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Paul
Andy said:
Is that a 50 pin connector ?
http://pinouts.ru/DiskCables/cdrom_40to50_pinout.shtml
Perhaps you go 50 pin slim IDE to 44 pin IDE.
http://www.txcesssurplus.com/servlet/the-7778/NEW-Dell-KG234-PowerEdge/Detail
then, 44 pin IDE to power cable + desktop_40_pin_IDE.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812196219
The 44 pin IDE has 2mm spacing. The 40 pin desktop has 0.1" spacing.
I don't know what spacing the 50 pin IDE has.
Apparently they also make an interposer that does the
conversion all in one shot.
http://www.idotpc.com/TheStore/pc/catalog//products/accessories/cdradptbig.jpg
*******
This page has more examples. Mini ITX computer builds, tend to use
laptop optical drives to save space.
http://www.mini-itx.com/store/?c=5
Their mini-SATA cable, appears to be perhaps microSATA on
the left side, and desktop stuff on the right of the picture.
http://static.mini-itx.com/store/images/2140-mini-sata.jpg
This is a picture of a microSATA on one end, and regular
SATA on the other end. For comparison to the previous picture.
Your laptop drive doesn't look like these. The connector
would need a discontinuity in the center.
http://www.cooldrives.com/media/catalog/product/m/i/micro-sata-adapter5.jpg
Their 50 pin ones, come in two flavors. The top interposer
is a passive, and goes from 50 pin laptop to 40 pin desktop.
A separate four pin connector is used for power.
They have a second 50 pin one, which has a regulator chip
and an IDE to SATA conversion chip. That's an active adapter
that goes from 50 pin laptop IDE to SATA desktop.
So there are some adapters around. Just a matter of
finding a source close by.
Paul
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Paul
Andy said:I am asking these question because I got a 64 bit partial system.
No hard drive yet, but it boots up o.k. but bios does not let you boot from
a pen drive. :-(
So for now, I can't run boot up an O.S. since I have no CD/DVD burner/player to boot from.
I have found a program to update the BIOS, maybe the newer version will allow pendrive bootups.
Andy
Use the popup boot menu to boot from your pen drive.
For some reason, all popup boot menus tend to be decorated
like this. It's a BIOS function. You press a certain
function key to activate it. You use the cursor keys to navigate.
The function key, varies from motherboard brand to brand.
On my current machine, it is F8.
http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19127-01/ultra27.ws/821-0172/images/7-2-Boot-Device-Menu.gif
Popup boot menus have been supported for perhaps
eight years or so. Really old machines (my first
PC), don't have it. Not all USB2 PCs have it either.
So you can't predict purely on manufacture date,
as to whether support is present in the BIOS or not.
Paul
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Andy
What I found for the desktop that I am trying to bring back to life.
Compaq
PC SR5123 WM
Prod. # GC660A-ABA
When it had a hard drive, it had Vista.
64 bit AMD chip - (Cooling fan is as big as the case fan. )
Phoenix BIOS Dated 2007
I have a utility on a CD to scan and update the BIOS.
In the boot order, I did not see a USB boot option.
I saw a network interface as a pick which I have never seen. ?
This is pretty interesting learning experience.
Andy
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Paul
Andy said:
It's six years old.
I can't find an example of popup boot info for the specific machine.
There is a suggestion here to press <esc> or F12, but I think F11 and
F12 on that machine, are for functions like recovery or BIOS setup.
http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Other-Desktop-PC-Questions/Boot-from-USB/td-p/1272919
The SR5123 WM is modern enough (SATA, Vista), that kind of
feature should be there.
Sometimes, there are slight differences between entering the
BIOS and setting up the boot order. And using the popup boot
key. The popup boot key, when triggered, should show all
devices that the BIOS was able to register via Extended INT 0x13
disk reading capability. If the BIOS has a USB2 support module
(recognizes USB floppy, USB removable drive, USB fixed drive,
provides various emulation modes), then a USB device should
show up in the popup boot menu. I use this all the time
on my current machine, to boot from USB sticks. external USB
drive, USB floppy, etc. I haven't tried USB ZIP - I have one,
but never ever tried to put an OS on one.
Paul
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Andy
Someone gave me 2 SATA drives that I will hopefully get today.
One has XP but it may not work if wasn't originally in my system.
I plan on just putting Puppy Slacko on it or test out some other Linux
varieties.
Maybe I will get lucky and a BIOS update will let the system boot from a pen drive.
From what I read, the 2 gigs of RAM it has is max which seems odd for a 64 bit
system with a AMD 64 CPU. ?
Andy
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Andy
Thanks, I plugged in the pen drive with Slacko on it and it booted right up into Linux.
Doesn't like it has a wireless card.
Andy
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Paul
Andy said:
The memory is likely DDR400. Unbuffered (UDIMM) tops out at 1GB or so.
Two sticks in dual channel mode gives 2GB.
Devices like AMD Opteron can handle RDIMMs and x4 (nibble wide) chips.
And have ECC operating with ChipKill protection. You get higher
capacities that way (server designs). And then you're in 64 bit country.
AMD tends to put common features across the chip families of the
same generation. Since they needed certain features for the
Opteron, the desktop tends to get them for free.
Intel is a bit more stingy, having created some
Core2 processor with VT-X and some without VT-X.
Later, some processors with SLAT and some without. Intel
plays these games, to screw over customers like me.
With AMD, I'm more likely to get whatever is going
around in that generation.
When AMD product lists have "weird" processors,
like something with 3 cores, or a 64 bit family
with some 32 bit members, that could be done
for yield reasons. It's not a statement about
architecture, as much as it's a matter of
"what do we do with these less than perfect processors".
If the appropriate switches are in place in the processor,
they can switch off stuff with defects, bin the processor
into a lower price bucket, and still give the customer
a functional processor. In a 4-core family, that's
where the 3-core processors come from.
Paul
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Andy
That's pretty interesting.
Sound like some of the CPU chips are like a towel I bought at Tues. morning.
I got it for a good price even if loose threads are showing up.
I just tie knots in them, and trim them.
I forgot to put in the last post but there are 4 slots for RAM, so there might be 512 KB memory modules as well ?
Andy
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Paul
Andy said:That's pretty interesting.
Sound like some of the CPU chips are like a towel I bought at Tues. morning.
I got it for a good price even if loose threads are showing up.
I just tie knots in them, and trim them.
I forgot to put in the last post but there are 4 slots for RAM, so there might be 512 KB memory modules as well ?
Andy
If the thing has four slots for RAM,
it's possible that it holds more than 2GB.
I have an Asrock motherboard here with VIA
chipset, and I have run more RAM in it, than
either Asrock or even VIA (maker of chipset)
claim is possible. Just poor documentation
I guess. The only problem with using higher
density RAM, is the BIOS isn't set up for
it properly (doesn't use the right timing
settings). So while I can use double the specified
amount of RAM, it gets errors once in a while.
Paul
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Andy
By higher density, is that a ram module with a larger capacity ?
It has (2) 1 Gb sticks in it now.
Maybe adding 2 more of the same type and speed would work ?
Andy
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Paul
Andy said:
I'd probably look up the model on Crucial.com first,
just to see what the official info is. (Crucial usually
gets the info from the manufacturer. It makes easy one-stop
shopping.)
Hmmm. It's more modern than I figured. It actually takes 4x2GB
sticks for a total of 8GB. Suitable for usage with a 64 bit OS.
It's DDR2-1066, a.k.a. PC2-8500 memory. That is better stuff
than DDR400, as it's more stable. (My testing here, of two DDR2
systems, there's no comparison between background error rates,
compared to my two previous DDR400 systems. The DDR2 hardly
ever get an error.)
http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=Presario SR5123WM&Cat=RAM
Paul
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Andy
Thanks for the link, I bookmarked it.
I have 2 sticks of 1 Gb PC2-5300.
My laptop runs fine on 4 Gb, so I may just add 2 more sticks to get 4 Gb.
Andy
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Andy
Thanks for the link, I bookmarked it.
I have 2 sticks of 1 Gb PC2-5300.
My laptop runs fine on 4 Gb, so I may just add 2 more sticks to get 4 Gb.
Andy
I received 2 hard drives.
I put in the first one, and it is running Startup Repair.
I found this info.
Should i run a disk diagnosis program ?
Thanks.
Startup Repair cannot fix hardware failures, such as a failing hard disk orincompatible memory, nor does it protect against virus attacks. Startup Repair is not a backup tool, so it cannot help you recover personal files, such as photos or documents. To help protect your computer, back up your system and files regularly. For more information, search for "backup" in Windows Help and Support.
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Paul
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/681-startup-repair.html
Imagine you have a single original Presario hard
drive with Windows 7 on it. It has a SYSTEM RESERVED
partition (holding boot files) and the OS partition
(holding the rest of the files).
If the system can no longer boot, Startup Repair is there
to try to fix it. Startup Repair can attempt to put boot
code back in the MBR, in the PBR, check that there a BCD
file. Startup Repair does different things, depending on
how many times you've tried it. For example, on the
third attempt to repair a Windows 7 system so it'll boot,
Startup Repair runs CHKDSK in sector verify mode. Which
takes a long time, depending on disk size.
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OK, so now you tell me you've received some disk(s),
and plugged in one of them. In addition to the original
Windows 7 drive.
Startup Repair is simply not there to interact with a
non-system hard drive. Startup Repair is there to make
the original boot drive work.
If you brought a Windows 7 hard drive from some other
machine, yes, a Startup Repair might be coaxed to
do some cosmetic things. But maybe the drivers will be
all messed up. I don't think there is any way for
me to predict here, what will happen next.
If the drives are intended as data drives, you'd
prepare them in Disk Management, once booted
from the original Windows 7 hard drive.
If you intended to copy the original Windows 7
over to the new drive, then that's a job for
some software from Seagate, or Easeus partition master
or some other tool like that. Startup Repair is not
a backup utility, a cloning tool, or anything like that.
Perhaps you could provide a little more context as to
what you're trying to do.
Paul