Kill Outlook Express permanently

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Guest

Outlook Express came pre-installed on my system. I have tried twice, to no
avail in thinking I removed it, but it keeps coming back and cleaning out my
inboxes when I don't want it to!
How can I remove it permanently? There's nothing in Add / Remove Programs
and I can't find an uninstaller in its directory.
 
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Andrew Murray

You cetainly should be able to uninstall OE from Add/Remove programs

Go into Control Panel then to Add/Remove programs, click the "Windows
Components" option button. In the list there, is Outlook Express. Uncheck
the option box next to it, then click Next/OK as applicable through the
dialogue boxes. This action should uninstall OE from your system.

In my system OE is listed in the Windows Components dialogue btween "Other
Network File and Print Services" and "Update Root Certificates".
 
R

R. McCarty

Cleaning out your inboxe(s) ? - What mail client ( or Web mail ) do you
use to process mail ? From your description it's not clear how OE is
interfering with your preferred mail client.

OE is a built-in component of XP. A removal option is shown in the
Add/Remove applet under "Windows Components". However all it
does is remove the Shortcuts to OE ( Msimn.Exe ) and doesn't remove
the executable or unregister it's components.

There is a MS knowledge base article "How to Manually Remove &
Reinstall Outlook Express", but I don't think it will accomplish what
you're attempting to do.
 
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Guest

Sorry if I was a bit vague. When I first started experimenting, I signed up
my IPrimus e-mail inbox. Then whenever Outlook Express ran, it would download
all e-mails from the inbox and purge it. I recently managed to remove the
e-mail address from Outlook, but then I wanted to totally remove it.

I didn't think of checking the Windows components section. But there was
indeed a section on Outlook, and it seems now it is gone.
Thank you.
 
G

Gordon

Andrew Murray said:
You cetainly should be able to uninstall OE from Add/Remove programs

Go into Control Panel then to Add/Remove programs, click the "Windows
Components" option button. In the list there, is Outlook Express.
Uncheck the option box next to it, then click Next/OK as applicable
through the dialogue boxes. This action should uninstall OE from your
system.

Well it doesn't - not in XP. All it does (if you read the box) is to REMOVE
ACCESS........
 
G

Gordon

Unknown said:
I didn't think of checking the Windows components section. But there was
indeed a section on Outlook, and it seems now it is gone.
Thank you.

It hasn't removed OE - all that does is to remove ACCESS - the application
is still installed, as it is an integral part of IE which in turn is an
integral part of XP. BTW, if you use Outlook (not Express) then Outlook
actually uses some of the OE files to operate properly.
 
A

Alan

Don't worry about being vague. You question was far more lucid than many
others that are posted here. :>

If I'm understanding what you're saying about Outlook Express running and
downloading all new e-mails from your IPrimus e-mail inbox and purging them,
in order to make sure that Outlook Express leaves messages on IPRIMUS just
in case O/E accidentally gets invoked try this:

Click on Tools | Accounts | Mail Tab. Select the IPRIMUS Account and click
on the Properties button. Click on the Advanced tab.

Near the bottom of this window is a line that reads "Leave a copy of message
on Server." Make sure that the check box has a tick mark in it. Click Apply
and OK your way out.

Alan
 
N

norm

Alan said:
Don't worry about being vague. You question was far more lucid than many
others that are posted here. :>

If I'm understanding what you're saying about Outlook Express running and
downloading all new e-mails from your IPrimus e-mail inbox and purging them,
in order to make sure that Outlook Express leaves messages on IPRIMUS just
in case O/E accidentally gets invoked try this:

Click on Tools | Accounts | Mail Tab. Select the IPRIMUS Account and click
on the Properties button. Click on the Advanced tab.

Near the bottom of this window is a line that reads "Leave a copy of message
on Server." Make sure that the check box has a tick mark in it. Click Apply
and OK your way out.

Alan
Or from the toolbar, click on tools/accounts/mail tab/highlight the
account in question/click properties/general tab and uncheck the
"include this account..........". This action will stop oe from
accessing the mail server.
 
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cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)

On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 06:34:10 -0400, "R. McCarty"
Cleaning out your inboxe(s) ? - What mail client ( or Web mail ) do you
use to process mail ? From your description it's not clear how OE is
interfering with your preferred mail client.
OE is a built-in component of XP. A removal option is shown in the
Add/Remove applet under "Windows Components". However all it
does is remove the Shortcuts to OE ( Msimn.Exe ) and doesn't remove
the executable or unregister it's components.

That's the problem. The residual risik is that .EML files remain
associated with OE's code, so that an .EML emaul attackment (or
hostile file encountered any other way; CDR, USB, IM drops etc.) will
be processed by this unwanted engine, obliging you to keep it patched

When OE processes an .EML file, it exposes itself as an exploitable
risk surface. Several inline content files will be groped and
"opened", and one cannot be sure that type discipline will restrict
these to "safe" types (MS has screwed up on this before) or that the
handlers for "safe types" will themselves be safe - after all, this is
content they should not be processing in the first place.

What app's inboxes are you referring to?

Windows section, as discussed.

When MS patches the OS or Office, it will tend to re-assert files and
(less often) settings that you may have killed in the interests of
risk management. If you stay with IE 6, this is more likely to be an
issue; at least IE 7 (like Firefox) doesn't come chained to an
?unwanted email app. But OE 6 remains and will likely be patched as
the exposivle risk surface that it is.

Whenever Outlook is re-asserted by MS Office install (or patch), or OE
is re-asserted by an IE 6 bundle etc., you may experience "UI
pressure" to use it again - e.g. non-shortcut icons on desktop and
QuickLaunch (Outlook), shortcuts in same places (OE).

UI pressure extends to read-only attributes to scare you out of
deleting them, and if clicked, will immediately wizard you into having
your mail imported (which hides any malware attachments out of reach
of av), along with settings, address book, and status as default email

The UI pressure can be insidious SE, e.g. Outlook's dialogs will talk
of "upgrading" your email client, with the fatuous ASSumption that
you're sure to consider this particular Outlook version to be the
pinnacle of email development, even if installing a 5-year-old version
of MS Office that has been shot to pieces by exploits by then.

But with only two exceptions that I know of, these attemptrs to hijack
your email service will NOT clear out your existing app's mailboxes.

The two excaptions I know of, are:
- OE over IE3's Internet Mail and News
- OE 5+ over OE4

In both cases, the mail store is irreversibly converted to the newer
format, and there is NO way back. BTW, OE's executible name dates
from the first of these cases, hence "MS I M N .EXE"

The above is particularly deadly for Win95 users, who cannot stay on
the patched edge of the new risks and exploitability that start with
IE 4 and its corresponding HTML-aware email app, OE 4. Old Win95
systems are better off with the far leaner Internet Mail and News, but
once a post-IE3 bundle has been swallowed, there's no way back.


To break the file association risk, set .EML to point to nothing, or
an "alert"executable that can't process it (e.g. Calc.exe). You can
play snakes-and-ladders and kill the actions of whatever aggregate
file type .EML points to, and/or kill the linkage from .EML to that
aggregate type (maybe redirect to an aggregate such as "Unwanted.File"
with Calc.exe or similar as the default action called "open").

Then save these changes as .REG files, so you can re-assert these
steps after "just" re-installing Windows or whatever.

The above is described at the Regedit level; normal caveats apply (and
they are toothy ones, not just a MacDonalds "hot coffee is hot"
disclaimer). Note that XP allows per-user overlay of HKLM...Classes,
i.e. what you see as HKCR is HKLM+HKCU. So repeat the cleanup in HKCU
and export that as .REG, to be applied to any new (and thus
re-duhfaulted) user accounts you may create.

AFAIK MS doesn't apply these file associations specifically at the
user account level, but malware might, so that's a "completeness"
thing. The tone of the original post suggests this may be an
appropriate level of advice.

You can also rename away the MSIMN.EXE executable, and/or create a
read-only dir in that location with the same name as an attemptr to
block re-creation. XP also may have facilities to intercept attempts
to run particular programs and code files, and you could explore that
too, as a way of guarding against vendor re-assertion of the thing.
 
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cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)

"cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)"

Google( .EML attachment malware ) finds...

http://www.avira.com/en/threats/section/fulldetails/id_vir/169/w32_nimda_w32_nimda.eml_.html

http://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/virusencyclo/default5.asp?VName=PE_CHIR.B&VSect=T

Also, consider any or all of the past exploitable defects in OE/IE (as
applied to processing .EML files), and it's easy to see why so many
mail services and systems block .EML attachments as dangerous (see
many of the links the above search will find).
You, my friend are paranoid.

They're trying to make me paranoid, but I won't let them!

Seriously - which of the above (or original unsnipped) assertions do
you consider to be untrue?

You're not paranoid if they ARE out to get you ;-)


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....but I'm MUUCH better now ;-)
 

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