Justin is really nothing more than another zealot

[DanS]

Justin has once again shown by his actions, that he is exactly the same
as the Linux zealots, no better.

His original comment was that Vista runs apps much better than XP ever
could. He had stated an example program of something that XP can't
'handle' and Vista runs with out any problem. He goes on to state all of
the problems he saw with this program on XP, mainly that using it makes
the PC virtually unusable for anything else.

His sole reasoning was that it causes no problem because he is using
Vista instead of XP.

This is the beginning of this particular part of the thread:
<[email protected]>

In testing his theory, I had installed this app on this older XP box and
this caused no problems at all. I was then directed by Justin to go to
the Folding@Home webpage and look at the forums, which would prove that I
am wrong. I did so. While there, I did see problem with the program being
reported, but these were reported in all OS's, Vista included. I then
posted a question about it. Several replies said they had no issues
either. Other gave instruction on what to do if I was having problems....

http://forum.folding-community.org/viewtopic.php?p=181685#181685

In his reply to my posting of this link for him to read, Justin
conveniently left out the one or 2 replies saying everything seems to
work fine and focused on one post saying they had a problem, and another
post that basically said, 'If you have a problem, try this.....'

I even gave Justin the opportunity to view video proof that this programs
operates EXACTLY as it was intended on my PC, by way of an FTP link and
raw FTP information to use a client if a browser didn't work. This video
was catured directly from the PC using BB Flashback and is in Flash video
format and available to be D/L'd by anyone. Justin has NOT d/l'd the
video.

During the entire discussion thread, Justin has conveniently 'missing
posts', delibrate poor snipping , and tried to tell me that I said things
I did not say or imply. Very standard troll behavior. I had posted
machine details, settings in Folding, it's all in the video, including
Everest showing the hardware config of my PC. He also has a habit of
ignoring important details I have given him, when I have already provided
them, and then asking me for them later on in the thread.

The entire point to my experiment was to show him that Vista is not the
reason Folding@Home doesn't wreak havoc on that particular PC, and that
IS my sole point. He offered this program as an example as he claimed it
had the most impact from moving to Vista.

Justin refuses to acknowledge that I had totally debunked his reasoning
for this specific program, as it performs exactly as intended on this XP
box. Or should I say XP worked axactly as it was intended.

He refuses to accept it....

"I'm not going to reply to the rest of it because it all has to do with
the notion that my findings are on ONE machine (which is completely
wrong) and that F@H itself works as it's supposed to which 100% true. I
never said F@H doesn't work."

Nope, lots of machines of all OS's....read the forums. It seems Justin
just happened to have the right software configuraion on the Vista box
and not on the XP PC.

To further this, all of his performance 'gains' over XP (on the same
hardware) are suspect, as who is to know why it ran like that in his XP
or what else was affected by the same configuration.

 

[babaloo]

Why get bent out of shape?
Vista at launch is far more problematic than any post 3.x OS ever released
by Microsoft.

Apparently Vista works well for some users. However generalizing their
particular experience to the overall experience of most users is no
different than Senator McCain extolling the safety of Baghdad during his
recent shopping trip.
He had a fine time.
I do not think most residents of Baghdad have the same experience.

 

[Richard Urban]

Take this to a blog or a chat room.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

 

[DanS]

Why get bent out of shape?

Not really bent out of shape, but it gets a little under my skin because
Justin is usually one of the people here getting into arguments with
others that turn into nothing more than a shouting match. In those, he
claims that the 'other' people always do exactly what he did to me in the
conversation I spoke about, calling THEM trolls, and Linux 'zealots'.
I've stated before, that those threads are entertaining, to a point, but
I eventually end up ignoring the rest of the thread because everyone
turns stupid.

To the EXACT opposite of what he says typically happens, I did everything
he said I needed to do to provide proof that, for this one particular
app, it is handled properly by XP, which it is on my home XP machine, my
wife's now I've verified a little while ago, and, the XP PC I use at
work. (Although I only made the video proof on my PC this morning.) If
indeed XP is truly 'broken' in apportioning CPU cycles, this would have
shown it's ugly head in at least 1 of 3 of these XP boxes I would think.

He is also a diehard Vista supporter no matter what the particular
subject is, no matter what the truth is. A blanket statement was made
that running apps in Vista is smoother and they run 'better', and cited
this one specific app as an example.

I was merely proving that XP alone is not the reason he saw those
problems.

Keep in mind, I wasn't saying that Vista does or does not run apps
'better'. My entire focus of this excercies was with the Folding@Home
program and how the system reacted to it trying to use 100% of the CPU.

My conclusion was simply that Vista alone was not the reason his system
seemed to run better while running Folding@Home. There had to be
something amiss with the previously installed XP OS that made it act the
way it did.

 

[Adam Albright]

Take this to a blog or a chat room.

Another MVP trying desperately to be a Net Nanny. Does it give you a
woody Richard?

 

[Iuvenalis]

Justin has once again shown by his actions, that he is exactly the same
as the Linux zealots, no better.

His original comment was that Vista runs apps much better than XP ever
could. He had stated an example program of something that XP can't
'handle' and Vista runs with out any problem. He goes on to state all of
the problems he saw with this program on XP, mainly that using it makes
the PC virtually unusable for anything else.

His sole reasoning was that it causes no problem because he is using
Vista instead of XP.

This is the beginning of this particular part of the thread:
<[email protected]>

In testing his theory, I had installed this app on this older XP box and
this caused no problems at all. I was then directed by Justin to go to
the Folding@Home webpage and look at the forums, which would prove that I
am wrong. I did so. While there, I did see problem with the program being
reported, but these were reported in all OS's, Vista included. I then
posted a question about it. Several replies said they had no issues
either. Other gave instruction on what to do if I was having problems....

http://forum.folding-community.org/viewtopic.php?p=181685#181685

In his reply to my posting of this link for him to read, Justin
conveniently left out the one or 2 replies saying everything seems to
work fine and focused on one post saying they had a problem, and another
post that basically said, 'If you have a problem, try this.....'

I even gave Justin the opportunity to view video proof that this programs
operates EXACTLY as it was intended on my PC, by way of an FTP link and
raw FTP information to use a client if a browser didn't work. This video
was catured directly from the PC using BB Flashback and is in Flash video
format and available to be D/L'd by anyone. Justin has NOT d/l'd the
video.

During the entire discussion thread, Justin has conveniently 'missing
posts', delibrate poor snipping , and tried to tell me that I said things
I did not say or imply. Very standard troll behavior. I had posted
machine details, settings in Folding, it's all in the video, including
Everest showing the hardware config of my PC. He also has a habit of
ignoring important details I have given him, when I have already provided
them, and then asking me for them later on in the thread.

The entire point to my experiment was to show him that Vista is not the
reason Folding@Home doesn't wreak havoc on that particular PC, and that
IS my sole point. He offered this program as an example as he claimed it
had the most impact from moving to Vista.

Justin refuses to acknowledge that I had totally debunked his reasoning
for this specific program, as it performs exactly as intended on this XP
box. Or should I say XP worked axactly as it was intended.

He refuses to accept it....

"I'm not going to reply to the rest of it because it all has to do with
the notion that my findings are on ONE machine (which is completely
wrong) and that F@H itself works as it's supposed to which 100% true. I
never said F@H doesn't work."

Nope, lots of machines of all OS's....read the forums. It seems Justin
just happened to have the right software configuraion on the Vista box
and not on the XP PC.

To further this, all of his performance 'gains' over XP (on the same
hardware) are suspect, as who is to know why it ran like that in his XP
or what else was affected by the same configuration.

It's just a computer operating system.
Go fishing for the morning or something, it's much more relaxing & better
for the blood pressure.

 

[DanS]

Go fishing for the morning or something, it's much more relaxing &
better for the blood pressure.

Good point. I'd like to hit the creek, but it's been raining for a day or
two. My son's been fishin with his friends the last couple of weeks.

This would sound stupid to 'real' fisherman, but carp's just staring to run
though locally. Sure it's nice to catch a jumping bass, but I'd much rather
fight a butt ugly 15 pound carp for 40 minutes trying not to break my 12 lb
test line.

 

[DanS]

Take this to a blog or a chat room.

That won't work, Justin won't lift a finger other than to post here.

 

[DanS]

Take this to a blog or a chat room.

Seriously Urban ? This IS a duscussion group.

If you speaking of this particular thread I started, so be it. But I
started a new thread because the old thread had become stale.

I'm sure not too many people were interested in it after it got 15 levels
deep and cast it off as just another stupid idiotic rantings and name-
calling fest between two people.

I assure you, if there was any, it was not on my part. I may get a little
steamed near the very end, but I also had a very solid argument, which
was just cast off by the party involved for whatever reasons.

I only call it as I see it, I don't care if your in love with Windows,
Linux, Mac or the old lady down the street, if your an idiot, your an
idiot.

Of course, I put too much faith in a short exchange I had with Justin in
a thread from March 17. This is from his reply to a post of mine. I have
the opening paragraph indented with the > ......

<[email protected]> is the msgID.

(Justin would be amazed I just pulled that msgID out of my *ss in 15
seconds from a month old thread while using XP. Such organization!!)
[Sorry Richard, I couldn't resist.]

OK, here's the quotes.....
----------------------------------------------------------------
(Mine)

Well, if someone states what is obviously an OPINION, on any subject,
publicly, I personally feel it's OK to ask from what information that
opinion was formed. They may or may not want to provide those details,
fine, I understand it is there opinion.

But if the statement is made to be a 'statement of fact', whether
agreeing or disagreeing with known 'facts', they would then have an
obligation to explain why and how they came to the conclusion. If they
refuse to back up a 'claimed fact' with known and agreed upon 'facts'
and a reasonable procedure that can show the original opinion can be
validated as factual, well then, that is nothing but an opinion.

(Justin's reply)
Damn, why can't more people feel this way? I agree 100% I've said that
many times myself.

I even use this example:

"I hate the moon because I hate square objects"

Yeah, he/she better be prepared to explain him/herself. You can hate the
moon all you want but how in the heck did you come up with that?
----------------------------------------------------------------

As you can plainly see, I thought I was speaking with a person that was
able to point/counter point and debate and look at facts, and examine
evidence, and make an informed conclusion.

But, that is absolutely not what happened, if you would have read the
thread. But like I said, it was way deep in the tree.

Mistakenly, I had put off all of Justins ramblings on threads he was
involved in and chalked it up to the other usual 'zealot' posters
involved in the same threads, that can drive someone crazy sometimes, I'm
sure you know.

Unfortunately, I was wrong about Justin and I won't make that mistake
again.

 

[Justin]

HAHAHAHA!!!

Not very well received. Smooth move DanS. Could you be any more childish?
I guess the truth hurt you bad and you had to lash out. Very entertaining!

A couple notes:

1. The links/posts he claims to have provided are conveniently not on the MS
servers. I WANT to see the video if the idiot would ever post it. I would
love to see what he did wrong.

2. He's proven he does not listen. I state MANY machines, he replies with
ONE machine. I claimed to run the app wide open, he failed to mention that
on the forum...and so on...

3. MANY people have claimed and stated proof as to how Vista handles process
resources much better then XP. It's easy for DanS to ignore facts and/or
reality.

4. Zealot? More proof this idiot doesn't listen. I already told him I use
Windows, OSX and Linux. I guess he'll make up anything for attention. Oh
wait... how am I a windows zealot by claiming Windows is better then
Windows? I guess common sense isn't something to be found on planet DanS.

Oh well, at least he was able to "get it all out". Hope he feels better.

 

[Justin]

If you speaking of this particular thread I started, so be it. But I
started a new thread because the old thread had become stale.

Now you're just a liar. You started a new VISTA thread by starting a thread
about me?

Pathetic.

I'm sure not too many people were interested in it after it got 15 levels
deep and cast it off as just another stupid idiotic rantings and name-
calling fest between two people.

As you'll note, NO ONE was interested in it once you started with the Vista
flaming.

I assure you, if there was any, it was not on my part. I may get a little
steamed near the very end, but I also had a very solid argument, which
was just cast off by the party involved for whatever reasons.

That's funny because it was YOU who dismissed my claims.

I only call it as I see it, I don't care if your in love with Windows,
Linux, Mac or the old lady down the street, if your an idiot, your an
idiot.

That is very true. Are you are certainly an idiot.

(Justin would be amazed I just pulled that msgID out of my *ss in 15
seconds from a month old thread while using XP. Such organization!!)
[Sorry Richard, I couldn't resist.]

Nope, I sure wouldn't.

1. I can do the same.
2. Organization has nothing to do with it. WLMd has INSTANT search. Idiot.

OK, here's the quotes.....
----------------------------------------------------------------
(Mine)

(Justin's reply)
Damn, why can't more people feel this way? I agree 100% I've said that
many times myself.

I even use this example:

"I hate the moon because I hate square objects"

Yeah, he/she better be prepared to explain him/herself. You can hate the
moon all you want but how in the heck did you come up with that?
----------------------------------------------------------------

As you can plainly see, I thought I was speaking with a person that was
able to point/counter point and debate and look at facts, and examine
evidence, and make an informed conclusion.

But, that is absolutely not what happened, if you would have read the
thread. But like I said, it was way deep in the tree.

I've already proven how wrong you are here.

Mistakenly, I had put off all of Justins ramblings on threads he was
involved in and chalked it up to the other usual 'zealot' posters
involved in the same threads, that can drive someone crazy sometimes, I'm
sure you know.

You mean alias and adam? Everyone knows they're pathetic trolls. What
decent person are you referring to?

Unfortunately, I was wrong about Justin and I won't make that mistake
again.

Trust me, now that you made a fool out of yourself with this thread, no
one will make the same mistake about you either.

 

[Justin]

That won't work, Justin won't lift a finger other than to post here.

Yup, this proves it. You speak of things of which you have no clue about.
If you'll do it here then you'll do it anywhere.

 

[Adam Albright]

Seriously Urban ? This IS a duscussion group.

Don't take Urban seriously, he's a light weight and wannabe net naddy.

 

[DanS]

Hmmmm.... seems I'm having trouble posting any more than a few lines. I had
a reply penned up, but couldn't send. A few lines would go OK, but much
more would not.

So, here are some *easy* links for the videos. *Easy* as in all you need to
do is click on them, since you don't have any clue about FTP it seems.

http://users.adelphia.net/~thisnthat/folding_test.html
http://users.adelphia.net/~thisnthat/folding_pc_details.html

 

[DanS]

2. He's proven he does not listen. I state MANY machines, he replies
with ONE machine. I claimed to run the app wide open, he failed to
mention that on the forum...and so on...

No, you claimed XP machines have troubles. Now it's *MANY*. This means that
you have admitted that it does run fine for some XP users and not others.
Just as it does run fine for some Vista users and not others.

That in itself makes your claims that Folding runs *better* on Vista
complete nonsense.

 

[DanS]

3. MANY people have claimed and stated proof as to how Vista handles
process resources much better then XP. It's easy for DanS to ignore
facts and/or reality.

AND, many people have stated they have severe problem with Vista. It's just
as easy for YOU to ignore THAT ?

 

[Leythos]

AND, many people have stated they have severe problem with Vista. It's just
as easy for YOU to ignore THAT ?

Yea, I gave up on even reading posts by Justin - his mantra is "it's your
fault", "you don't have good drivers", "vista is faster than XP".

 

[DanS]

4. Zealot? More proof this idiot doesn't listen. I already told him
I use Windows, OSX and Linux. I guess he'll make up anything for
attention. Oh wait... how am I a windows zealot by claiming Windows
is better then Windows? I guess common sense isn't something to be
found on planet DanS.

I make up nothing. And I claimed 'zealot' not 'Windows Zealot'.

You use all of those OS's, wow, you are brilliant, but you still don't know
how to use a browser in any one of them to search for a message on Google
Groups ?

Here is the GG link for the message that made me mistakenly believe that
you could be involved in a decent debate/discussion.

<http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.vista.general/brow
se_thread/thread/257deb32aaabfd63/e7c23b5430ea300c?lnk=st&q=%
3COF1Z8XLaHHA.3996%40TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl%3E&rnum=2#e7c23b5430ea300c>

 

[DanS]

Yea, I gave up on even reading posts by Justin - his mantra is "it's
your fault", "you don't have good drivers", "vista is faster than XP".

Hi Leythos, after this occurance, I am giving up on it.

Kind of reminds me of the doubleU_Tomm incident of a few months back in the
XP.General group, remember. You were getting a little steamed about that
one.

DanS

 

[Leythos]

Hi Leythos, after this occurance, I am giving up on it.

Kind of reminds me of the doubleU_Tomm incident of a few months back in
the XP.General group, remember. You were getting a little steamed about
that one.

I never get steamed, even if it seems like it, I just keep telling the
truth and they keep looking like fools. Getting steamed only gives them a
win as far as they are concerned - just keep pointing out their lies and
they will break.