just plain slow

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Guest

forgive me for such a basic question, because i am a fairly advanced windows
user...
i just want to know how to troubleshoot a very slow computer. i'm sure it
just has to do with clutter over time, but beyond spyware/virus hunting, disk
cleanup, defrag, etc. i am stuck. when i bring up task manager there are a
billion processes running, but i am not sure if that's the problem or which
ones to stop. my computer is older, but still shouldnt be this slow
[emachine 1.8 ghz, 480 mb ram, win xp]
are any of the commercial "window washers' or clean up programs worthwhile?
just looking for some advice - thanks
 
B

Bill James

First I would look at what 3rd party programs are loading at startup and disable startup for those that are not critical (very few, if any, are), or just uninstall programs you are no longer using. In my opinion, the cleanup programs are not worthwhile and may actually cause your problems. More information about the slow symptoms would be helpful.
 
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Guest

its tough to describe (the slowness) - boottime is slower than it was before,
opening a new program (MS word, IE, etc.) takes longer, it is noticeably
slower when trying to run more than 1 app at a time - and we aren't talking
big power programs. editing video has become pretty much undoable, whereas
it was just a memory hog to begin with. whenever i shut down it takes a long
time and i usually get some errors with certain programs trying to close and
cant'. does this help? what more should i tell you? i did remove some
things from the startup in msconfig, but plenty seem 'critical' or at least i
don't know what they do so i am afraid to disable them..

Bill James said:
First I would look at what 3rd party programs are loading at startup and disable startup for those that are not critical (very few, if any, are), or just uninstall programs you are no longer using. In my opinion, the cleanup programs are not worthwhile and may actually cause your problems. More information about the slow symptoms would be helpful.

--

Bill James


drewstein said:
forgive me for such a basic question, because i am a fairly advanced windows
user...
i just want to know how to troubleshoot a very slow computer. i'm sure it
just has to do with clutter over time, but beyond spyware/virus hunting, disk
cleanup, defrag, etc. i am stuck. when i bring up task manager there are a
billion processes running, but i am not sure if that's the problem or which
ones to stop. my computer is older, but still shouldnt be this slow
[emachine 1.8 ghz, 480 mb ram, win xp]
are any of the commercial "window washers' or clean up programs worthwhile?
just looking for some advice - thanks
 
S

Shenan Stanley

drewstein said:
forgive me for such a basic question, because i am a fairly
advanced windows user...
i just want to know how to troubleshoot a very slow computer. i'm
sure it just has to do with clutter over time, but beyond
spyware/virus hunting, disk cleanup, defrag, etc. i am stuck. when
i bring up task manager there are a billion processes running, but
i am not sure if that's the problem or which ones to stop. my
computer is older, but still shouldnt be this slow [emachine 1.8
ghz, 480 mb ram, win xp]
are any of the commercial "window washers' or clean up programs
worthwhile? just looking for some advice - thanks

I'd say avoid most of the general purpose cleaners - although a few are good
at one thing or another. You are better off learning to maintain, clean and
secure your PC yourself... These tips are not 100% complete - as no such
thing for computer maintenance exists (too dynamic) - but they will get you
started and point you to the least expensive way (often free) to thoroughly
and properly maintain your system with the least amount of muss and fuss.

Microsoft has these suggestions for Protecting your computer from the
various things that could happen to you/it:

Protect your PC
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/

Outfitting a new computer for the Net
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/update/newcomputer.mspx

Getting started with a new PC
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/moredone/yournewpc.mspx

Although those tips are fantastic, there are many things you should
know above and beyond that. Below I have detailed out many tips
that can not only help you clean-up a problem PC but keep it clean,
secure and running at its best.

I know this text can seem intimidating - it is quite long and a lot
to take in for a novice - however I can assure you that one trip
through this list and you will understand your computer and the
options available to you for protecting your data much better -
and that the next time you go through these steps, the time it
takes will be greatly reduced.

Let's take the cleanup of your computer step-by-step.
Yes, it will take up some of your time - but consider what you use
your computer for and how much you would dislike it if all of your
stuff on your computer went away because you did not "feel like"
performing some simple maintenance tasks - think of it like taking
out your garbage, collecting and sorting your postal mail, paying
your bills on time, etc.

Now is a good time to point you to one of the easiest ways to find
information on problems you may be having and solutions others have found:

Search using Google!
http://www.google.com/
(How-to: http://www.google.com/intl/en/help/basics.html )


Let's go through some maintenance first that should only have to be
done once (mostly):

Tip (1):
Locate all of the software you have installed on your computer.
(the installation media - CDs, downloaded files, etc)
Collect these CDs and files together in a central and safe
place along with their CD keys and such. Make backups of these
installation media sets using your favorite copying method (CD/DVD Burner
and application, Disk copier, etc.) You'll be glad to know that if you
have a CD/DVD burner, you may be able to use a free application to make a
duplicate copy of your CDs. One such application is ISORecorder:

ISORecorder page (with general instructions on use):
http://isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/isorecorder.htm

More full function applications (free) for CD/DVD burning would be:

CDBurnerXP Pro
http://www.cdburnerxp.se/

DeepBurner Free
http://www.deepburner.com/

ImgBurn (burn ISO images)
http://www.imgburn.com/

Final Burner
http://www.protectedsoft.com/products.php

Another Option would be to search the web with Pricewatch.com or
Dealsites.net and find deals on Products like Ahead Nero and/or Roxio.

Ahead Nero
http://www.nero.com/

Roxio Easy Media Creator
http://www.roxio.com/

Tip (2):
Empty your Temporary Internet Files and shrink the size it stores to a
size between 128MB and 512MB..

- Open ONE copy of Internet Explorer.
- Select TOOLS -> Internet Options.
- Under the General tab in the "Temporary Internet Files" section, do the
following:
- Click on "Delete Cookies" (click OK)
- Click on "Settings" and change the "Amount of disk space to use:" to
something between 128MB and 512MB. (Betting it is MUCH larger right
now.)
- Click OK.
- Click on "Delete Files" and select to "Delete all offline contents"
(the checkbox) and click OK. (If you had a LOT, this could take 2-10
minutes or more.)
- Once it is done, click OK, close Internet Explorer, re-open Internet
Explorer.

Tip (3):
If things are running a bit sluggish and/or you have an older system
(1.5GHz or less and 256MB RAM or less) then you may want to look into
tweaking the performance by turning off some of the 'resource hogging'
Windows XP "prettifications". The fastest method is:

Control Panel --> System --> Advanced tab --> Performance section,
Settings button. Then choose "adjust for best performance" and you
now have a Windows 2000/98 look which turned off most of the annoying
"prettifications" in one swift action. You can play with the last
three checkboxes to get more of an XP look without many of the
other annoyances. You could also grab and install/use one
(or more) of the Microsoft Powertoys - TweakUI in particular:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx

Another viable (decently inexpensive) option is to increase the amount
of memory (RAM) your computer has. You can get an idea of what you
need by visiting:

Crucial Memory AdvisorT Tool
http://www.crucial.com/

Then either buy direct from there or write down the specs you get and
visit: http://www.pricewatch.com/ and locate the best price on what you
need. 512MB up to 1GB total memory should be more than enough for
the normal home user.

Tip (4):
Understanding what a good password might be is vital to your
personal and system security. You may think you do not need to password
your home computer, as you may have it in a locked area (your home) where
no one else has access to it. Remember, however, you aren't always
"in that locked area" when using your computer online - meaning you likely
have usernames and passwords associated with web sites and the likes that
you would prefer other people do not discover/use. This is why you should
understand and utilize good passwords.

Good passwords are those that meet these general rules
(mileage may vary):

Passwords should contain at least six characters, and the character
string should contain at least three of these four character types:
- uppercase letters
- lowercase letters
- numerals
- nonalphanumeric characters (e.g., *, %, &, !, :)

Passwords should not contain your name/username.
Passwords should be unique to you and easy to remember.

One method many people are using today is to make up a phrase that
describes a point in their life and then turning that phrase into their
password by using only certain letters out of each word in that phrase.
It's much better than using your birthday month/year or your anniversary
in a pure sense. For example, let's say my phrase is:
'Great new job in November 2006'
I could come up with this password from that:
'Gr8n3wj0bNOV2006'

The password tip is in the one time section, but I highly
recommend you periodically change your passwords. The suggested time
varies, but I will throw out a 'once in every 3 to 6 months for
every account you have.'

Also - many people complain that they just cannot remember the passwords
for all the sites they have - so they choose one password and use it for
everything. Not a good idea. A much better method would be to use a
Password Management tool - so you only have to remember one password,
but it opens an application that stores your username/passwords for
everything else - plus other valuable information. One that I can
recommend:

KeePass Password Safe
http://keepass.sourceforge.net/

It can even generate passwords for you.


Tip (5):
This tip is also 'questionable' in the one time section; however -
if properly setup - this one can be pretty well ignored for most people
after the initial 'fiddle-with' time.

Why you should use a computer firewall..
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/viruses/fwbenefits.mspx

You should, in some way, use a firewall. Hardware (like a nice
Cable Modem/DSL router) or software is up to you. Many use both of
these. The simplest one to use is the hardware one, as most people
don't do anything that they will need to configure their NAT device
for and those who do certainly will not mind fiddling with the equipment
to make things work for them. Next in the line of simplicity would
have to be the built-in Windows Firewall of Windows XP. In SP2 it
is turned on by default. It is not difficult to turn on in any
case, however:

More information on the Internet Connection Firewall (Pre-SP2):
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/320855

Post-SP2 Windows Firewall Information/guidance:
http://snipurl.com/atal

The trouble with the Windows Firewall is that it only keeps things
out. For most people who maintain their system in other ways, this is
MORE than sufficient. You may feel otherwise. If you want to
know when one of your applications is trying to obtain access to the
outside world so you can stop it, then you will have to install a
third-party application and configure/maintain it. I have compiled a
list with links of some of the better known/free firewalls you can choose
from:

BlackICE PC Protection (~$39.95 and up)
http://blackice.iss.net/

Comodo Free Fireall (Free)
http://www.personalfirewall.comodo.com/

Jetico Personal Firewall (Free)
http://www.jetico.com/index.htm#/jpfirewall.htm

Outpost Firewall from Agnitum (Free and up)
http://www.agnitum.com/products/outpostfree/

Sunbelt Kerio Personal Firewall (KPF) (Free and up)
http://www.kerio.com/kpf_download.html

Symantec's Norton Personal Firewall (~$49.95 and up)
http://www.symantec.com/sabu/nis/npf/

ZoneAlarm (Free and up)
http://www.zonelabs.com/

You should find the right firewall for your situation in that
list and set it up if you feel the Windows XP firewall is
insufficient.

Every firewall WILL require some maintenance. Essentially checking for
patches or upgrades (this goes for hardware and software solutions) is
the extent of this maintenance - you may also have to configure your
firewall to allow some traffic depending on your needs.

** Don't stack the software firewalls! Running more than one software
firewall will not make you safer - it would possibly negate some
protection you gleamed from one or the other firewall you run. It is
fine (and in many ways better) to have the software firewall as well
as a NAT router.


Now that you have some of the more basic things down..
Let's go through some of the steps you should take periodically to
maintain a healthy and stable windows computer. If you have not
done some of these things in the past, they may seem tedious - however,
they will become routine and some can even be scheduled.


Tip (6):
The system restore feature is only a useful feature if you keep it
maintained and use it to your advantage. Remember that the system
restore pretty much tells you in the name what it protects which is
'system' files. Your documents, your pictures, your stuff is NOT
system files - so you should also look into some backup solution.

Whenever you think about it (after doing a once-over on your machine
once a month or so would be optimal) - clear out your System Restore
and create a manual restoration point.

'Why?'

Too many times have I seen the system restore files go corrupt or get
a virus in them, meaning you could not or did not want to restore from
them. By clearing it out periodically you help prevent any corruption
from happening and you make sure you have at least one good "snapshot".
(*This, of course, will erase any previous restore point you have.*)

- Turn off System Restore.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310405
- Reboot the Computer.
- Review the first bullet to turn on System Restore
- Make a Manual Restoration Point.
http://snipurl.com/68nx

That covers your system files, but doesn't do anything for the files
that you are REALLY worried about - yours! For that you need to look
into backups. You can either manually copy your important files, folders,
documents, spreadsheets, emails, contacts, pictures, drawings and so on
to an external location (CD/DVD - any disk of some sort, etc) or you can
use the backup tool that comes with Windows XP:

How To Use Backup to Back Up Files and Folders on Your Computer
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308422

Yes - you still need some sort of external media to store the results
on, but you could schedule the backup to occur when you are not around,
then burn the resultant data onto CD or DVD or something when you are
(while you do other things!)

Another option that seems to still be going strong:

Cobian Backup
http://www.educ.umu.se/~cobian/cobianbackup.htm

A lot of people have wondered about how to completely backup their system
so that they would not have to go through the trouble of a reinstall..
I'm going to voice my opinion here and say that it would be worthless to
do for MOST people. Unless you plan on periodically updating the image
backup of your system (remaking it) - then by the time you use it
(something goes wrong) - it will be so outdated as to be more trouble than
performing a full install of the operating system and all applications.

Having said my part against it, you can clone/backup your hard drive
completely using many methods - by far the simplest are using disk cloning
applications:

Symantec/Norton Ghost
http://snipurl.com/13e00

Acronis True Image
http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage/

BootItT NG
http://terabyteunlimited.com/bootitng.html

Tip (7):
You should sometimes look through the list of applications that are
installed on your computer. The list may surprise you. There are more
than likely things in there you know you never use - so why have them
there? There may even be things you know you did *not* install and
certainly do not use (maybe don't WANT to use.)

This web site should help you get started at looking through this list:

How to Uninstall Programs
http://snipurl.com/8v6b

How to change or remove a program in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307895

A word of warning - Do NOT uninstall anything you think you MIGHT need
in the future unless you have completed Tip (1) and have the installation
media and proper keys for use backed up somewhere safe!

Tip (8):
Patches and Updates!

This one cannot be stressed enough. It is SO simple, yet so neglected
by many people. It is really simple for the critical Microsoft patches!
Microsoft put in an AUTOMATED feature for you to utilize so that you do
NOT have to worry yourself about the patching of the Operating System:

How to configure and use Automatic Updates in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306525

However, not everyone wants to be a slave to automation, and that is
fine. Admittedly, I prefer this method on some of my more critical
systems.

Windows Update
http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/

Go there and scan your machine for updates. Always get the critical ones
as you see them. Write down the KB###### or Q###### you see when
selecting the updates and if you have trouble over the next few days,
go into your control panel (Add/Remove Programs), insure that the
'Show Updates' checkbox is checked and match up the latest numbers you
downloaded recently (since you started noticing an issue) and uninstall
them. If there was more than one (usually is), uninstall them one by one
with a few hours of use in between, to see if the problem returns.
Yes - the process is not perfect (updating) and can cause trouble like I
mentioned - but as you can see, the solution isn't that bad - and is
MUCH better than the alternatives.

Windows is not the only product you likely have on your PC. The
manufacturers of the other products usually have updates. New versions
of almost everything come out all the time - some are free, some are pay
and some you can only download if you are registered - but it is best
to check. Just go to their web pages and look under their support and
download sections. For example, for Microsoft Office you should visit:

Microsoft Office Updates
http://office.microsoft.com/
(and select 'Check for Updates' and/or 'Downloads' for more)

You also have hardware on your machine that requires drivers to interface
with the operating system. You have a video card that allows you to see on
your screen, a sound card that allows you to hear your PCs sound output and
so on. Visit those manufacturer web sites for the latest downloadable
drivers for your hardware/operating system. Always get the manufacturers'
hardware driver over any Microsoft offers. On the Windows Update site I
mentioned earlier, I suggest NOT getting their hardware drivers - no matter
how tempting.

How do you know what hardware you have in your computer? Break out the
invoice or if it is up and working now - take inventory:

Belarc Advisor
http://belarc.com/free_download.html

Once you know what you have, what next? Go get the latest driver for your
hardware/OS from the manufacturer's web page. For example, let's say you
have an NVidia chipset video card or ATI video card, perhaps a Creative
Labs sound card or C-Media chipset sound card...

NVidia Video Card Drivers
http://www.nvidia.com/content/drivers/drivers.asp

ATI Video Card Drivers
http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.html

Creative Labs Sound Device
http://us.creative.com/support/downloads/

C-Media Sound Device
http://www.cmedia.com.tw/?q=en/driver

Then install these drivers. Updated drivers are usually more stable and
may provide extra benefits/features that you really wished you had before.

As for Service Pack 2 (SP2) for Windows XP, Microsoft has made this
particular patch available in a number of ways. First, there is the
Windows Update web page above. Then there is a direct download site.

Direct Download of Service Pack 2 (SP2) for Windows XP
http://snipurl.com/8bqy

Order Windows XP Service Pack 2 on CD
http://snipurl.com/d41v

If all else fails - grab the full download above and try to use that.
In this case - consider yourself a 'IT professional or developer'.

Tip (9):
What about the dreaded word in the computer world, VIRUS?

Well, there are many products to choose from that will help you prevent
infections from these horrid little applications. Many are FREE to the
home user and which you choose is a matter of taste, really. Many people
have emotional attachments or performance issues with one or another
AntiVirus software. Try some out, read reviews and decide for yourself
which you like more:

( Good Comparison Page for AV software: http://www.av-comparatives.org/ )

AntiVir (Free and up)
http://www.free-av.com/

avast! (Free and up)
http://www.avast.com/

AVG Anti-Virus System (Free and up)
http://free.grisoft.com/

ca Anti-Virus (~$49.99 and up)
http://snipurl.com/13e0u

eset NOD32 (~$39.00 and up)
http://www.eset.com/products/

Kaspersky Anti-Virus (~$39.95 and up)
http://www.kaspersky.com/kav6

McAfee VirusScan (~$39.99 and up)
http://www.mcafee.com/

Panda Antivirus Titanium (~$39.95 and up)
http://www.pandasoftware.com/products/antivirus2007.htm
(Free Online Scanner: http://www.pandasoftware.com/activescan/)

Symantec (Norton) AntiVirus (~$39.99 and up)
http://snipurl.com/13e12

Trend Micro (~$44.95 and up)
http://www.trendmicro.com/en/products/desktop/tav/
(Free Online Scanner:
http://housecall.trendmicro.com/housecall/start_corp.asp)

Most of them have automatic update capabilities. You will have to
look into the features of the one you choose. Whatever one you finally
settle with - be SURE to keep it updated (I recommend at least daily) and
perform a full scan periodically (yes, most protect you actively, but a
full scan once a month at 4AM probably won't bother you.)

Tip (10):
The most rampant infestation at the current time concerns SPYWARE/ADWARE.
You need to eliminate it from your machine.

There is no one software that cleans and immunizes you against
everything. Antivirus software - you only needed one. Firewall, you
only needed one. AntiSpyware - you will need several. I have a list and
I recommend you use at least the first five.

First - make sure you have NOT installed "Rogue AntiSpyware". There are
people out there who created AntiSpyware products that actually install
spyware of their own! You need to avoid these:

Rogue/Suspect Anti-Spyware Products & Web Sites
http://www.spywarewarrior.com/rogue_anti-spyware.htm

Also, you can always visit this site..
http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/unwanted.htm
For more updated information.

Install the first five of these: (Install, Run, Update, Scan with..)
(If you already have one or more - uninstall them and download the
LATEST version from the page given!)

Lavasoft AdAware (Free and up)
http://www.lavasoft.de/products/ad-aware_se_personal.php
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/atdn )

Spybot Search and Destroy (Free!)
http://www.safer-networking.net/en/download/
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/atdk )

SpywareBlaster (Free!)
http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/sbdownload.html
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/ate6 )

IE-SPYAD2 (Free!)
http://www.spywarewarrior.com/uiuc/resource.htm#IESPYAD
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/ate7 )

CWShredder Stand-Alone (Free!)
http://www.trendmicro.com/cwshredder/

Hijack This! (Free!)
http://www.spywareinfo.com/~merijn/downloads.html
(Log Analyzer: http://hjt.networktechs.com/ )

Bazooka Adware and Spyware Scanner (Free!)
http://www.kephyr.com/spywarescanner/
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/ate3 )

ToolbarCop (Free!)
http://windowsxp.mvps.org/toolbarcop.htm

Ccleaner (Free!)
http://www.ccleaner.com/

Browser Security Tests (Free Tester)
http://www.jasons-toolbox.com/BrowserSecurity/

Popup Tester (Free Tester)
http://www.popuptest.com/

The Cleaner (~$49.95 and up)
http://www.moosoft.com/

Sometimes you need to install the application and reboot into SAFE MODE in
order to thoroughly clean your computer. Many applications also have
(or are) immunization applications. Spybot Search and Destroy and
SpywareBlaster are two that currently do the best job at passively
protecting your system from malware. None of these programs (in these
editions) run in the background unless you TELL them to. The space they
take up and how easy they are to use greatly makes up for any inconvenience
you may be feeling.

Please notice that Windows XP SP2 does help stop popups as well.

Another option is to use an alternative Web browser. I suggest
'Mozilla Firefox', as it has some great features and is very easy to use:

Mozilla Firefox
http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/


So your machine is pretty clean and up to date now. If you use the sections
above as a guide, it should stay that way as well! There are still a few
more things you can do to keep your machine running in top shape.

Tip (11):
You should periodically check your hard drive(s) for errors and defragment
them. Only defragment after you have cleaned up your machine of
outside parasites and never defragment as a solution to a quirkiness in
your system. It may help speed up your system, but it should be clean
before you do this. Do these things IN ORDER...

How to use Disk Cleanup
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310312

How to scan your disks for errors
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315265

How to Defragment your hard drives
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314848

I would personally perform the above steps at least once every three months.
For most people this should be sufficient, but if the difference you notice
afterwards is greater than you think it should be, lessen the time in
between its schedule.. If the difference you notice is negligible, you can
increase the time.

Tip (12):
SPAM! JUNK MAIL!
This one can get annoying, just like the rest. You get 50 emails in one
sitting and 2 of them you wanted. NICE! (Not.) What can you do? Well,
although there are services out there to help you, some email
servers/services that actually do lower your spam with features built into
their servers - I still like the methods that let you be the end-decision
maker on what is spam and what is not. I have a few products to suggest
to you, look at them and see if any of them suite your needs. Again, if
they don't, Google is free and available for your perusal.

SpamBayes (Free!)
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/

Spamihilator (Free!)
http://www.spamihilator.com/

MailWasher
http://www.mailwasher.net/

As I said, those are not your only options, but are reliable ones I have
seen function for hundreds+ people.

Tip (13):
ADVANCED TIP! Only do this once you are comfortable under the hood of your
computer!

There are lots of services on your PC that are probably turned on by default
you don't use. Why have them on? Check out these web pages to see what all
of the services you might find on your computer are and set them according
to your personal needs. Be CAREFUL what you set to manual, and take heed
and write down as you change things! Also, don't expect a large performance
increase or anything - especially on today's 2+ GHz machines, however - I
look at each service you set to manual as one less service you have to worry
about someone exploiting.

Service Configuration Tips
http://www.tweakhound.com/xp/xptweaks/supertweaks6.htm

Configuring Services
http://smallvoid.com/tweak/winnt/services.html

Task List Programs
http://www.answersthatwork.com/Tasklist_pages/tasklist.htm

Processes in Windows NT/2000/XP
http://www.reger24.de/prozesse/

There are also applications that AREN'T services that startup when you start
up the computer/logon. One of the better description on how to handle these
I have found here:

Startups
http://www.pacs-portal.co.uk/startup_content.php


If you follow the advice laid out above (and do some of your own research as
well, so you understand what you are doing) - your computer will stay fairly
stable and secure and you will have a more trouble-free system.
 
K

Keith Manning

First I would look at what 3rd party programs are loading at startup and
disable startup for those that are not critical (very few, if any, are), or
just uninstall programs you are no longer using. In my opinion, the cleanup
programs are not worthwhile and may actually cause your problems. More
information about the slow symptoms would be helpful.

--

Bill James


drewstein said:
forgive me for such a basic question, because i am a fairly advanced
windows
user...
i just want to know how to troubleshoot a very slow computer. i'm sure it
just has to do with clutter over time, but beyond spyware/virus hunting,
disk
cleanup, defrag, etc. i am stuck. when i bring up task manager there are
a
billion processes running, but i am not sure if that's the problem or
which
ones to stop. my computer is older, but still shouldnt be this slow
[emachine 1.8 ghz, 480 mb ram, win xp]
are any of the commercial "window washers' or clean up programs
worthwhile?
just looking for some advice - thanks

Also remember that XP, especially XPSP2 is a very bloated, memory and
resource sucking operating system.

I'm typing this from a 2.4MHz machine with Gb1.25 of RAM and I still get out
of paging memory errors.

I've heard that Vista is even worse. Most people will need a complete new
machine, not just a new video card and some more RAM.

May I suggest you go back to Win2000. It actually worked, it was basically
the same as XP except XP had some pretty new features which got everyone
buying it. But what XP has which W2K didn't was the bloated code.
 
B

Bill James

A couple of things come to mind with what you are describing. One would be heavy CPU usage or hard drive IO activity. Seriously, how many processes are running in task manager? I can't tell you what is typical, but most likely 50 or less on a fresh reboot. While you are in Task Manager, what is the CPU usage and are there any specific processes that are always have heavy usage?

If you have not done so recently, run chkdsk to make sure there are no hard drive or file system problems contributing to the slowness.

You didn't say what malware program you have used, but your might want to take another look at that, perhaps scanning with multiple programs.

For startup items, look at the path shown in the Command column and often that will give you a clue to what program the file is associated with. It seems like now-a-days, every program wants to load something at startup, and while this may give you a little faster access to the program when you need it, most likely you also launch it from the Start menu when needed.

--

Bill James


drewstein said:
its tough to describe (the slowness) - boottime is slower than it was before,
opening a new program (MS word, IE, etc.) takes longer, it is noticeably
slower when trying to run more than 1 app at a time - and we aren't talking
big power programs. editing video has become pretty much undoable, whereas
it was just a memory hog to begin with. whenever i shut down it takes a long
time and i usually get some errors with certain programs trying to close and
cant'. does this help? what more should i tell you? i did remove some
things from the startup in msconfig, but plenty seem 'critical' or at least i
don't know what they do so i am afraid to disable them..

Bill James said:
First I would look at what 3rd party programs are loading at startup and disable startup for those that are not critical (very few, if any, are), or just uninstall programs you are no longer using. In my opinion, the cleanup programs are not worthwhile and may actually cause your problems. More information about the slow symptoms would be helpful.

--

Bill James


drewstein said:
forgive me for such a basic question, because i am a fairly advanced windows
user...
i just want to know how to troubleshoot a very slow computer. i'm sure it
just has to do with clutter over time, but beyond spyware/virus hunting, disk
cleanup, defrag, etc. i am stuck. when i bring up task manager there are a
billion processes running, but i am not sure if that's the problem or which
ones to stop. my computer is older, but still shouldnt be this slow
[emachine 1.8 ghz, 480 mb ram, win xp]
are any of the commercial "window washers' or clean up programs worthwhile?
just looking for some advice - thanks
 
R

Rock

"Bill James" wrote
First I would look at what 3rd party programs are loading at startup and
disable startup for those that are not critical (very few, if any, are),
or just uninstall programs you are no longer using. In my opinion, the
cleanup programs are not worthwhile and may actually cause your problems.
More information about the slow symptoms would be helpful.
forgive me for such a basic question, because i am a fairly advanced
windows
user...
i just want to know how to troubleshoot a very slow computer. i'm sure
it
just has to do with clutter over time, but beyond spyware/virus hunting,
disk
cleanup, defrag, etc. i am stuck. when i bring up task manager there are
a
billion processes running, but i am not sure if that's the problem or
which
ones to stop. my computer is older, but still shouldnt be this slow
[emachine 1.8 ghz, 480 mb ram, win xp]
are any of the commercial "window washers' or clean up programs
worthwhile?
just looking for some advice - thanks

Also remember that XP, especially XPSP2 is a very bloated, memory and
resource sucking operating system.

This is total bull. Do you have anything objective to back this up?
I'm typing this from a 2.4MHz machine with Gb1.25 of RAM and I still get
out of paging memory errors.

Maybe you just need to learn how to maintain a system properly?
I've heard that Vista is even worse. Most people will need a complete new
machine, not just a new video card and some more RAM.

Another statement that has nothing to back it up. I'm typing this on Vista
right now, on a machine that's set up as a dual boot with XP Pro. It runs
just fine. Another bull statement.
 
R

Rock

forgive me for such a basic question, because i am a fairly advanced
windows
user...
i just want to know how to troubleshoot a very slow computer. i'm sure it
just has to do with clutter over time, but beyond spyware/virus hunting,
disk
cleanup, defrag, etc. i am stuck. when i bring up task manager there are
a
billion processes running, but i am not sure if that's the problem or
which
ones to stop. my computer is older, but still shouldnt be this slow
[emachine 1.8 ghz, 480 mb ram, win xp]
are any of the commercial "window washers' or clean up programs
worthwhile?
just looking for some advice - thanks

See this link for a start: http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/slowcom.htm

It's not so much how many processes are running, but what they are. Do you
need / want all of them? Some (many?) you could probably do without.
Research what's running in task manager by using some of these sites:

www.google.com
http://www.answersthatwork.com/Tasklist_pages/tasklist.htm
http://castlecops.com/StartupList.html
http://www.pacs-portal.co.uk/startup_index.htm
http://www.theeldergeek.com/services_guide.htm

After you know what each one is then decide if you want it. To eliminate
startup programs, assuming they are not malware, first step should be to
check in the options for the program you don't want to start and see if
there is a setting to tell it not to run at startup. The next step is to
remove any entries you don't want from the two startup folders:

C:\Documents and Settings\<username>\Start Menu\Programs\Startup
C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\Startup

For anything else uncheck their entries in the startup tab of msconfig:
Start | Run | Msconfig | Ok

Another option is to remove the reference to them from one of these keys in
the registry:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunOnce
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunOnce

Make sure you have a backup of the registry using a program like ERUNT
before making any changes to the registry.

ERUNT
http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt/
http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt/erunt.txt

Installing and Using ERUNT
http://www.silentrunners.org/sr_eruntuse.html
http://www.winxptutor.com/regback.htm
 
P

paulmd

drewstein said:
forgive me for such a basic question, because i am a fairly advanced windows
user...
i just want to know how to troubleshoot a very slow computer. i'm sure it
just has to do with clutter over time, but beyond spyware/virus hunting, disk
cleanup, defrag, etc. i am stuck. when i bring up task manager there are a
billion processes running, but i am not sure if that's the problem or which
ones to stop.

If you list them, we may be able to help.

What in the way of quickstarters do you have? Emachines are full of
useless stuff.
my computer is older, but still shouldnt be this slow
[emachine 1.8 ghz, 480 mb ram, win xp]
 
F

Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM

drewstein said:
forgive me for such a basic question, because i am a fairly advanced
windows
user...
i just want to know how to troubleshoot a very slow computer. i'm sure it
just has to do with clutter over time, but beyond spyware/virus hunting,
disk
cleanup, defrag, etc. i am stuck. when i bring up task manager there are
a
billion processes running, but i am not sure if that's the problem or
which
ones to stop. my computer is older, but still shouldnt be this slow
[emachine 1.8 ghz, 480 mb ram, win xp]
are any of the commercial "window washers' or clean up programs
worthwhile?
just looking for some advice - thanks

The programs running at Startup is the obvious first thing to check, but the
majority of computers brought to me with this complaint have malware
installed.
Help with malware:
All MS-MVP Sites.
http://aumha.org/a/parasite.htm
http://aumha.org/a/quickfix.htm
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page2.html#Removing_Malware
http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/unwanted.htm
http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/darnit.html
http://www.mvps.org/sramesh2k/Malware_Defence.htm

Unexplained computer behavior may be caused by deceptive software.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/827315

So How Did I Get Infected Anyway?
For quite a few people it's by installing Messenger Plus, whose ads for
malware don't identify the malware as such and try to convince you that you
owe it to the author. See also:
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=27971
Don't ever do a "default" install of anything. Always choose Custom and see
what else is being carried along. Don't install any extras you're not sure
of.
 
P

Plato

=?Utf-8?B?ZHJld3N0ZWlu?= said:
i just want to know how to troubleshoot a very slow computer. i'm sure it

Get rid of all sypware and all viruses and all trojans you have
installed.
 
G

Gerry Cornell

Drew

Your reference to video editing is interesting!

How large is your hard disk and how much free disk space? Video
editing requires large amount of memory. With only 480 mb of RAM the
system will resort to using virtual memory (the pagefile). The undo
feature in videoediting is exhausting what is available.

Use page file monitor to observe what is the peak usage. Start it to
run immediately after start-up and look at the log after a session of
video editing with another session without video editing. The log is
Pagefilelog.txt. If you right click on the file in Windows Explorer
and select Send to, Desktop (Create Shortcut). The same applies to
XP_PageFileMon.exe.

A small utility to monitor pagefile usage:
http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_pagefilemon.htm

Measures to create more free disk space follow..

It is likely that an allocation of 12% has been made to System Restore
on your C partition which is over generous. I would reduce it to 700
mb. Right click your My Computer icon on the Desktop and select System
Restore. Place the cursor on your C drive select Settings but this
time find the slider and drag it to the left until it reads 700 mb and
exit. When you get to the Settings screen click on Apply and OK and
exit.

If your hard drive is formatted as NTFS another potential gain arises
with your operating system on your C drive. In the Windows Directory
of your C partition you will have some Uninstall folders in your
Windows folder typically: $NtServicePackUninstall$ and
$NtUninstallKB282010$ etc.

These files may be compressed or not compressed. If compressed the
text of the folder name appears in blue characters. If not compressed
you can compress them. Right click on each folder and select
Properties, General, Advanced and check the box before Compress
contents to save Disk Space. On the General Tab you can see the amount
gained by deducting the size on disk from the size. Folder
compression is only an option on a NTFS formatted drive / partition.

Another default setting on a large drive which could be wasteful is
that for temporary internet files especially if you do not store
offline copies on disk. The default allocation is 3% of drive.
Depending on your attitude to offline copies you could reduce this to
1% or 2%. In Internet Explorer select Tools, Internet Options,
General, Temporary Internet Files, Settings to make the change. At the
same time look at the number of days history is held. The default
allocation for the Recycle Bin is 10 % of drive. On your drive 5%
should be sufficient. In Windows Explorer place the cursor on your
Recycle Bin, right click and select Properties, Global and move the
slider from 10% to 5%.

To increase you free space on your XP partition select Start, All
Programs, Accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp, More Options,
System Restore and remove all but the latest System Restore points?
Restore points can be quite large.

You should use Disk CleanUp regularly to Empty your Recycle Bin and
Remove Temporary Internet Files. Whenever you remove redundant files
you should always run Disk Defragmenter by selecting Start, All
Programs, Accessories, System Tools, Disk Defragmenter. You will most
likely have problems running Disk Defragmenter if there is less than
15% free disk space in your XP partition.

Are there other users logging on the computer with their own log on?
Disk CleanUp only removes files generated by the User running Disk
CleanUp.

Do you have more than one drive or partition? If yes how large are
they and how much free disk space?

--

Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



forgive me for such a basic question, because i am a fairly advanced
windows user...
i just want to know how to troubleshoot a very slow computer. i'm
sure it just has to do with clutter over time, but beyond
spyware/virus hunting, disk cleanup, defrag, etc. i am stuck. when
i
bring up task manager there are a billion processes running, but i
am
not sure if that's the problem or which ones to stop. my computer
is
older, but still shouldnt be this slow [emachine 1.8 ghz, 480 mb
ram,
win xp]
are any of the commercial "window washers' or clean up programs
worthwhile? just looking for some advice - thanksDrew
 
L

Leythos

This is total bull. Do you have anything objective to back this up?

No it's not, it is very bloated in the default installation:

A typical "as-shipped" big box machine needs 256MB RAM to be reasonably
happy and not drive the users nuts with delays.

A typical "as-shipped" big box Windows 2000 machine only required 128MB
RAM for the same level of performance.

A typical user benefits from changing the Performance so that all the
glitz is not use, in fact, it can make those 128MB RAM XP machines work
much better for users.

A typical "as-shipped" big box machine with XP, antivirus, browser,
etc... will perform well with 512MB RAM, the same machine with Windows
2000 would do well with 256MB RAM.

Don't take it personally, it's just the way it is.
 
G

Gerry Cornell

On the other hand you are getting an increased capability with Windows
XP compared to earlier operating systems.

Your comparing a horse drawn cart to the latest motorised truck! This
may be an exageration but the point is valid.

--

Regards.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
R

Rock

Leythos said:
No it's not, it is very bloated in the default installation:

A typical "as-shipped" big box machine needs 256MB RAM to be reasonably
happy and not drive the users nuts with delays.

A typical "as-shipped" big box Windows 2000 machine only required 128MB
RAM for the same level of performance.

A typical user benefits from changing the Performance so that all the
glitz is not use, in fact, it can make those 128MB RAM XP machines work
much better for users.

A typical "as-shipped" big box machine with XP, antivirus, browser,
etc... will perform well with 512MB RAM, the same machine with Windows
2000 would do well with 256MB RAM.

Don't take it personally, it's just the way it is.


The issue is perspective. Every new OS is "bloated" over the previous
version. I'm not taking it personally, and I disagree with you that "it's
just the way it is.".
 
K

Keith Manning

Gerry Cornell said:
On the other hand you are getting an increased capability with Windows XP
compared to earlier operating systems.

Your comparing a horse drawn cart to the latest motorised truck! This may
be an exageration but the point is valid.

--

Regards.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"increased capability" like where?
 
K

Keith Manning

Rock said:
"Bill James" wrote
First I would look at what 3rd party programs are loading at startup and
disable startup for those that are not critical (very few, if any, are),
or just uninstall programs you are no longer using. In my opinion, the
cleanup programs are not worthwhile and may actually cause your problems.
More information about the slow symptoms would be helpful.
forgive me for such a basic question, because i am a fairly advanced
windows
user...
i just want to know how to troubleshoot a very slow computer. i'm sure
it
just has to do with clutter over time, but beyond spyware/virus hunting,
disk
cleanup, defrag, etc. i am stuck. when i bring up task manager there
are a
billion processes running, but i am not sure if that's the problem or
which
ones to stop. my computer is older, but still shouldnt be this slow
[emachine 1.8 ghz, 480 mb ram, win xp]
are any of the commercial "window washers' or clean up programs
worthwhile?
just looking for some advice - thanks

Also remember that XP, especially XPSP2 is a very bloated, memory and
resource sucking operating system.

This is total bull. Do you have anything objective to back this up?
I'm typing this from a 2.4MHz machine with Gb1.25 of RAM and I still get
out of paging memory errors.

Maybe you just need to learn how to maintain a system properly?
I've heard that Vista is even worse. Most people will need a complete new
machine, not just a new video card and some more RAM.

Another statement that has nothing to back it up. I'm typing this on
Vista right now, on a machine that's set up as a dual boot with XP Pro.
It runs just fine. Another bull statement.
May I suggest you go back to Win2000. It actually worked, it was
basically the same as XP except XP had some pretty new features which got
everyone buying it. But what XP has which W2K didn't was the bloated
code.

All of what you've just said is perfect if you're a MVP - someone like
yourself how has the latest state of the art PC and sits around tweaking it
all day. And has done a 4 year course on Microsoft products.

Most of us don't have the time to spend hours tweaking our operating
systems - we've actually got work to do.

We don't have the time to read through and assorb giant manuals on just the
operating system. Like a TV set or a stereo system, just want something that
works and is not going to be attacked by a virus or hijacked the very minute
we don't open our wallets to fork out more cash for more software written by
another company which is going to slow the system down even futher.

Microsoft products are great if you work in a MS lab, connected to a MS
network and someone comes in each second day to either upgrade your system
or just check it for problems. But most of us out here don't have those
luxuries, we all live in the real world, Rock.

Keith Manning
 
R

Rock

"Bill James" wrote
First I would look at what 3rd party programs are loading at startup and
disable startup for those that are not critical (very few, if any, are),
or just uninstall programs you are no longer using. In my opinion, the
cleanup programs are not worthwhile and may actually cause your
problems. More information about the slow symptoms would be helpful.
"drewstein" wrote
forgive me for such a basic question, because i am a fairly advanced
windows
user...
i just want to know how to troubleshoot a very slow computer. i'm sure
it
just has to do with clutter over time, but beyond spyware/virus
hunting, disk
cleanup, defrag, etc. i am stuck. when i bring up task manager there
are a
billion processes running, but i am not sure if that's the problem or
which
ones to stop. my computer is older, but still shouldnt be this slow
[emachine 1.8 ghz, 480 mb ram, win xp]
are any of the commercial "window washers' or clean up programs
worthwhile?
just looking for some advice - thanks

Also remember that XP, especially XPSP2 is a very bloated, memory and
resource sucking operating system.

This is total bull. Do you have anything objective to back this up?
I'm typing this from a 2.4MHz machine with Gb1.25 of RAM and I still get
out of paging memory errors.

Maybe you just need to learn how to maintain a system properly?
I've heard that Vista is even worse. Most people will need a complete
new machine, not just a new video card and some more RAM.

Another statement that has nothing to back it up. I'm typing this on
Vista right now, on a machine that's set up as a dual boot with XP Pro.
It runs just fine. Another bull statement.
May I suggest you go back to Win2000. It actually worked, it was
basically the same as XP except XP had some pretty new features which
got everyone buying it. But what XP has which W2K didn't was the bloated
code.
All of what you've just said is perfect if you're a MVP - someone like
yourself how has the latest state of the art PC and sits around tweaking
it all day. And has done a 4 year course on Microsoft products.

This system which is set up as a triple boot with XP and Vista is 5 years
old. I've added a router and external USB hard drives, and had to replace
one DVD drive. Otherwise it's the same as when it was purchased. Not what
I would call state of the art. Why do you make assumptions about what
hardware I run on or what training I've had?
Most of us don't have the time to spend hours tweaking our operating
systems - we've actually got work to do.

We don't have the time to read through and assorb giant manuals on just
the operating system. Like a TV set or a stereo system, just want
something that works

I have seen some darn confusing and complicated manuals for the operation of
some TV's and other home electronics.
and is not going to be attacked by a virus or hijacked the very minute we
don't open our wallets to fork out more cash for more software written by
another company which is going to slow the system down even futher.

I don't get hijacked or attacked, and I use mostly freeware apps for AV,
firewall and non viral anti-malware. Choose the right programs. You don't
have to "fork" out a lot of cash to be malware free. The most important
component to this is the operator using common sense and practicing safe
hex.
Microsoft products are great if you work in a MS lab, connected to a MS
network and someone comes in each second day to either upgrade your system
or just check it for problems. But most of us out here don't have those
luxuries, we all live in the real world, Rock.

Somehow I don't think you understand what the MVPs do. They all work in the
real world. Most are not affiliated with MS at all other than the MVP
recognition. Many work in computers and IT, but some don't. In fact my
world is about as real as it gets. What I don't do is go around posting
comments about things I don't have knowledge of, or make assumptions about
what is going on behind the scenes of the post or with the poster.
 
G

Guest

how do i do this...............?how do i disable start up or look at 3rd
party programs?
--
mildred thomas


Bill James said:
First I would look at what 3rd party programs are loading at startup and disable startup for those that are not critical (very few, if any, are), or just uninstall programs you are no longer using. In my opinion, the cleanup programs are not worthwhile and may actually cause your problems. More information about the slow symptoms would be helpful.

--

Bill James


drewstein said:
forgive me for such a basic question, because i am a fairly advanced windows
user...
i just want to know how to troubleshoot a very slow computer. i'm sure it
just has to do with clutter over time, but beyond spyware/virus hunting, disk
cleanup, defrag, etc. i am stuck. when i bring up task manager there are a
billion processes running, but i am not sure if that's the problem or which
ones to stop. my computer is older, but still shouldnt be this slow
[emachine 1.8 ghz, 480 mb ram, win xp]
are any of the commercial "window washers' or clean up programs worthwhile?
just looking for some advice - thanks
 

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