John Kerry Sweating Like an Atheist in Church

[sgopus]

Drivel snipped.
along with political opinions, which have no place on this
forum.

 

[Gactimus]

Try to keep up.

I'm waiting on you. You seem to be out of breath.

 

[Gactimus]

Then why was he wiping off his forehead, kid?

Since when do teeth sweat?

 

[David W. Barnes]

Since when do teeth sweat?

Try to keep up.

 

[Timberwoof]

-- www.atheistfools.com SPIRITUAL WARFARE HAS NEVER BEEN THIS MUCH

You should put a space after a period or comma.

Hey idiot ,no one is shoving religion down your throats,that is an
ol.ds and weak argument that has seen better days.

Attempting to teach bible stories as serious alternatives to biology
counts as shoving religion down people's throats.

So does using Biblical dogma to justify being mean to gay people.

 

[Swedish Meatball]

Ray Fischer, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pen to use,
wrote:

Nothing worth reading after the second word.

 

[forge]

He's actually standing in front of a bunch of hot lights. Welcome to the
chemistry of the human body.

He was sweating because he's lying through his teeth.[/QUOTE]

Oh really? Are you sweating because you're just making shit up?

 

[me]

-----Original Message-----
Anybody watchin this reinvention? Anyways that man is pooring sweat like
he is running a marathon or got caught in a lie.
.
you are clueless and can't spell!

 

[Greg Henry]

BTW, several American were recently involved with a
road-side bomb that was a WMD (Sarin gas shell). WMD are
very small devices, enough anthrax to kill every man, woman
and child in the world will fit in 2 or 3 semi-trailer
trucks, very easy to move, hide or deploy. Unlike WWII atom
bombs which were almost too big to fit in a B-29, modern
bombs are fairly small and could fit in a mini-van. Really
small bombs could fit in a carry-on suitcase. They haven't
found Jimmy Hoffa's body yet, but we know it is out their
somewhere.

It would not surprise me if some of Saddam's weapons were
shipped to Syria, Iran or just buried in the Iraqi desert.
The British, Dutch and French and Germans still find lots of
American bombs left over from WWII.

When dealing with WMD, it is better to assume your enemy has
them and proceed than to assume they don't have them and
trust that they don't.

I would basically agree with that premis, however that's much different
than saying 'We have conclusive proof that they have this and that and
we are going to invade them for it', when in fact they threatend
peoples' careers if they didn't produce reports that fit their intentions.

 

[Guest]

We have all kinds of political forums out there. Please
take this crap elsewhere. Some of us are serious about
fixing our computer problems.

-----Original Message-----

 

[Frank Dwyer]

I just wish he had challenged Bush to have someone, anyone, HE served
with in the National Guard come out and speak at the Republican
Convention.

For what purpose though? Kerry's spending a lot of time touting his
service as though it makes him more qualified to serve as President,
while some of the greatest presidents in American history never spent
one minute in uniform.
Military service has no effect on one's ability to govern this nation.
If that wasn't revealed by Reagan, then it was certainly revealed by
Clinton.
As I was watching the DNC last night, I was kinda put off by the
speeches of the servicemen. I didn't think they said anything relevant
to Kerry's ability to run the nation at all. They were there only
because they agreed to help make Kerry look good... a long time ago.
I would've much rather heard from citizens who have actually benefitted
from his terms in office. Last night, all we really got was a bunch of
political grandstanding by people whose lives he most likely hasn't
impacted at all in 35 years. Of course, I don't expect any more from the
RNC. Same shit, different party.

 

[David W. Barnes]

For what purpose though?

To prove that he was actually there and served as others have served.

Kerry's spending a lot of time touting his
service as though it makes him more qualified to serve as President,
while some of the greatest presidents in American history never spent
one minute in uniform.

I don't think he is touting his record as though it qualifies him to be
President. It doesn't. But after the World Trade Center many have
question his patriotism and claimed that somehow Bush is strong and
brave and a patriot when I honestly feel that Bush is one of the most
cowardly individuals I have ever seen. It is important to make the
point that Kerry fought gallantly for his country in a war he didn't
support while Bush shirked his duty in a war he endorsed. That says a
lot about the character of both people.

Military service has no effect on one's ability to govern this nation.
If that wasn't revealed by Reagan, then it was certainly revealed by
Clinton.

I agree, but it demonstrates character - and I really believe, politics
aside, that Bush has no character.

As I was watching the DNC last night, I was kinda put off by the
speeches of the servicemen. I didn't think they said anything relevant
to Kerry's ability to run the nation at all. They were there only
because they agreed to help make Kerry look good... a long time ago.
I would've much rather heard from citizens who have actually benefitted
from his terms in office. Last night, all we really got was a bunch of
political grandstanding by people whose lives he most likely hasn't
impacted at all in 35 years. Of course, I don't expect any more from the
RNC. Same shit, different party.

I think Kerry has character and integrity, in stark contrast to Bush.
That was the point, and it was well made.

 

[Bill Case]

For what purpose though? Kerry's spending a lot of time touting his
service as though it makes him more qualified to serve as President,
while some of the greatest presidents in American history never spent
one minute in uniform.

Bullshit.
Iraq is the most mishandled war in US history and people who DO have the
character to serve are paying the price, along with a lot of innocent
Iraqis. It's very likely that the mishandling is due to a combination of
Bush / Cheney corruption and incompetence from never themselves having been
exposed to war.

Below is an illuminating short interview with Anthony Cordesman on the
current Iraq situation. He's a HEAVY in the world of military analysis.

I think it's evident that the current situation of murderous chaos is a
consequence of Cheney et. al.'s (with Bush as a front)desire to leave Iraq
without a government, forces or authorities after the invasion phase was
over in early 2003.

They did this in order to have a free hand in making enormous returns on
padded re-building contracts, without competitive bidding or real oversight.
This was all to be paid for by either Iraqi oil production, or US taxpayer
money.

The idea of having to completely purge Iraqi society of past institutions,
forces and people who were previously in power in order to establish a
democratic bliss that would serve as a model for other middle-east
countries, was essentially a cover story. It was especially useful and
believable because there were gullible people around to argue for it
sincerely.

There is and never was any prospect of stabilizing a fractious, criminalized
country like Iraq, filled with open wounds and revenge motives, with a
wrecked economy, with a limited number of foreign troops with no language or
knowledge of the culture.

The stupidity of Cheney et al is obvious in that they totally and arrogantly
underestimated the potential for chaos, bloodshed and destruction, even to
the point where re-building and oil production were badly hindered.

Currently, we have over 900 US troop KIA's, about 700 post invasion. Most of
these were unneccessary. We have killed thousands of Iraqis, many of them
innocents. Polling in Moslem and Christian countries show contempt and
hatred for the US to be reaching allarming levels.

Cordesman interview follows:


Iraq analyst says security forces lack equipment, training

PM - Monday, 26 July , 2004 18:30:09
Reporter: Rafael Epstein

MARK COLVIN: The future stability of Iraq remains one of the most pressing
issues in global politics. It'll be decided in large part by Iraq's new
police force and army.

The army's just been involved in its biggest battle so far, engaging
insurgents in a five hour gun fight north of Baghdad, in which 15 insurgents
were reported killed.

But one of Washington's most respected analysts says that the bigger picture
is that the future of Iraq's forces is not bright.

Anthony Cordesman, from the Centre for Strategic and International Studies,
lays much of the blame at the feet of the Pentagon and the US Congress.

Professor Cordesman has regular access to top political and military figures
in the US and Iraq. He says the US-led Coalition is guilty of a gross
administrative, moral and military failure in not building and equipping
effective Iraqi security forces.

He spoke to Rafael Epstein.

ANTHONY CORDESMAN: I think the most serious problem was that we assumed that
they were really not going to have to deal with active counter insurgency.
That they were not going to have to be properly trained and equipped to deal
with really lethal attacks.

We didn't give them the training from, really, the fall of Saddam on through
April of this year. We didn't give them elementary protection like body
armour. We didn't even give them the proper communications to ask for
American help. And we created very, very large forces which would have been
adequate only if there had been no insurgent threat, or we'd been able to
defeat it very quickly.

And long after it became apparent that the insurgents were a serious
movement, and in large numbers, the US aid effort still failed to provide
the level of equipment and training that was necessary.

RAFAEL EPSTEIN: How bad is the equipment problem, in your view?

ANTHONY CORDESMAN: Well, the statistics that are being reported by the
Department of Defence essentially tell you that only a fraction of the body
armour and vehicles are available. Some of the figures border on the
ridiculous. The requirement for vehicles for people in the Facilities
Protection Service, which has 77,000 men in it, the requirement is for less
than 500 vehicles and less than 50 are on hand.

That kind of problem affects virtually all of the services.

RAFAEL EPSTEIN: So they have a similar lack of weapons, body armour, radios?

ANTHONY CORDESMAN: The regular army and certain elements in the police do
better, but almost no group has adequate communications.

RAFAEL EPSTEIN: When do you think they might actually be able to shoulder
that burden on their own?

ANTHONY CORDESMAN: Well, there has been a significant reorganization in this
effort since April. You have a very competent US Commander, General
Petraeus, coordinating it. People are beginning to take the equipment
problem much more seriously, and the training that is being given to the
army, and the more advanced training to the police force, this probably
means that you're going to have a significantly better force late this fall,
and by early 2005 you're going to have many elements in place.

And certainly the number of Iraqi casualties, and for that matter US and
allied casualties that are going to be a result of these failures is going
to be very high.

RAFAEL EPSTEIN: The most pessimistic critics of the Bush administration say
that the armed militias inside Iraq will engage in civil war as soon as a
substantial coalition force is pulled out. How successful do you think the
disbanding of the militia and the merging of the international forces is
going to be?

ANTHONY CORDESMAN: Well so far a lot of this, unfortunately, is cosmetic.
There's far too much political rhetoric here, rather than focus on
realities. One problem is that we've discovered something like 800 arms
depots in Iraq, and a lot of these were looted and when militias talk about
disbanding, if that simply means that they put their weapons in a warehouse
or bury them or disband the weapons, the militias haven't disbanded.

If you simply take the Kurdish militias and change their hat so effectively
they're still Kurdish forces, you haven't disbanded the militias either, and
to be perfectly honest, a lot of what is being said here is very misleading,
and is more for political reasons than substantive reasons. The fact is,
you're not going to disband the militias until the militias see a reason to
disband.

MARK COLVIN: Professor Anthony Cordesman from the Centre for Strategic and
International Studies in Washington DC, with Rafael Epstein.

xxx

 

[ATS Monkee Trainer]

Bullshit.

Yep, you're full of it.

It's very likely that the mishandling is due to a combination of
Bush / Cheney corruption and incompetence from never themselves having been
exposed to war.

Make up your mind nipple brain. Are you GB's cock sucker or aren't
you?

 

[Bill Case]

Yep, you're full of it.


Make up your mind nipple brain. Are you GB's cock sucker or aren't
you?

No your mother and you are.

Tell your moron daddy to wear a rubber next time he ****s the dog.

 

[ATS Monkee Trainer]

No your mother and you are.

You're one of the quickest learning monkees I've ever had! So far
you've done #1 and #2. Now do #3, the dreaded 'pedo lame'. Come on
sweet cakes, we're all watching you.

Tell your moron daddy to wear a rubber next time he ****s the dog.

My daddy ****ed your old lady? Damn, guess we're cousins then eh
BillyBob?

 

[Bill Case]

You're one of the quickest learning monkees I've ever had! So far
you've done #1 and #2. Now do #3, the dreaded 'pedo lame'. Come on
sweet cakes, we're all watching you.

Is mommy watching you?

My daddy ****ed your old lady? Damn, guess we're cousins then eh
BillyBob?

No you little Beavis scumbag - we're no relation.

Seriously, you have problems. Do everybody a favor -get off the internet and
get help and quit pestering normal people..

 

[ATS Monkee Trainer]

Is mommy watching you?

Since she'd dead, only if her ghost is assigned to me. ****, that'd
be a real drag.

No you little Beavis scumbag - we're no relation.

That's a relief. I was concerned I might turn into a bigoted moron
Alzheimer's case (no pun intended) like you, Nancy.

Seriously, you have problems. Do everybody a favor -get off the internet and
get help and quit pestering normal people..

Ok, if you say so BillyBob.

NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Lannie Ruvin]

Anybody watchin this reinvention? Anyways that man is pooring sweat like
he is running a marathon or got caught in a lie.

Reinvention? Hardly.

Listen to his 1971 speech regarding atrocities committed by the
military by way of www.democracynow.org

I have, and it sounds like the same guy.

lr

 

[jimpgh2002]

Reinvention? Hardly.

Listen to his 1971 speech regarding atrocities committed by the
military by way of www.democracynow.org

I have, and it sounds like the same guy.

lr

So, you're saying that he was just as bad then as he is now?