Java Runtime Environment

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Guest

My RAM is getting full (I have an older computer) and I was looking through
my programs to see what I didn't need. I find in Add or Remove Programs that
I have what appears to be 4 versions of Java Runtime Environment - 3 called
J2SE Runtime Environment and each 120 MB in size. The 4th, Java(TM) SE
Runtime Environment 6 Update 1 is 134 MB. Do I need all these? Am I right in
assuming that JRE enables me to view videos online? Could someone please
confirm?
 
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Gary S. Terhune

First, it isn't RAM that's getting full, it's your hard drive. That said,
you should DEFINITELY remove all versions of Java runtimes except the most
recent (at this juncture, that's version 6 update 2). The folks that make
these things STILL haven't gotten it through their thick skulls that the
previous version(s) need(s) to be removed if there's any chance that it has
security issues -- and most updates specifically deal with security issues.
 
G

Guest

Thanks, Gary. I actually just realized this question has been answered a
number of times in the past few months. Sorry to have not read those before I
posted!
 
B

Bruce Chambers

Benzmum said:
My RAM is getting full (I have an older computer) and I was looking through
my programs to see what I didn't need. I find in Add or Remove Programs that
I have what appears to be 4 versions of Java Runtime Environment - 3 called
J2SE Runtime Environment and each 120 MB in size. The 4th, Java(TM) SE
Runtime Environment 6 Update 1 is 134 MB. Do I need all these? Am I right in
assuming that JRE enables me to view videos online? Could someone please
confirm?
Click to expand...

Not that this has =anything whatsoever to do with "RAM getting full...."

Sadly, Sun's developers have never learned to clean up after
themselves, so it's often necessary to uninstall older versions of Java
once you've updated. Delete all but the most recent, and then update it
to JRE 6 Update 2, because Update 1 has security vulnerabilities.


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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

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MowGreen [MVP]

I did the 'unthinkable'. There are no more of Sun's Java Runtimes
installed on ANY of my systems. So far, I fail to see why it's needed.

In light of Sun's refusal to take Security seriously and that friggin'
autoupdate leaving behind older, vulnerable versions, unless the Runtime
is required for online banking, and that should be against the law,
IMNSHO, my advice is to uninstall 'it'.

Java Security Traps Getting Worse
Summary:
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/blogs/mowgreen/index.php?showentry=1096

Full Article:
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2128071,00.asp?kc=EWEWEMNL051007EP41C

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Tim Slattery

MowGreen said:
I did the 'unthinkable'. There are no more of Sun's Java Runtimes
installed on ANY of my systems. So far, I fail to see why it's needed.
Click to expand...

It's not unless you go to a website that uses it.
 
T

Thufir

correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't java much more secure than Active X?

The auto-update thing sounds like microsoft's responsibility.


-Thufir
 
T

Tim Slattery

Thufir said:
correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't java much more secure than Active X?
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Yes. An ActiveX control can do anything at all, there are no
restrictions. A java applet that runs in a web page is in a "sandbox"
that prevents it from accessing your file system or other resources on
your computer, communicating with any website other than the one that
sent the web page, etc, etc.
 
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MowGreen [MVP]

Perhaps everyone should read this and then decide for themselves:

Java Security Traps Getting Worse
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2128071,00.asp?kc=EWEWEMNL051007EP41C

Then go here and check out the vulnerabilities reported for Sun's
J2SE/JRE/WebStart : http://secunia.com/search/?search=Sun+java

No one has given me one *good* reason yet as to why Sun's java is
needed. Knowing Sun's tactic of NOT reporting vulnerabilities in a
timely manner nor removing older, vulnerable versions when said JRE/J2SE
is automatically updated is NOT considered good security practices.
Picture MS doing this and the subsequent Media uproar if they did so.

Or, think how the Media would roast MS if they offered up the MSN
Toolbar while doing Security updates ?
Sun does this as they also include the Google Toolbar with their updated
Runtimes.

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Andrew Thompson

Perhaps everyone should read this and then decide for themselves:

Java Security Traps Getting Worsehttp://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2128071,00.asp?kc=EWEWEMNL051007...
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Pffft.. That's the best you can do?
Some Sun tutorial (meant to teach basic servlets, not
security, for which Sun has entirely separate API's and
tutorials), and whining about open source code (most
of which is not used on the client side).

If those security threats related to the JVM, the Java
Plug-In itself, that the user runs, they might be slightly
convincing.
Then go here and check out the vulnerabilities reported for Sun's
J2SE/JRE/WebStart:http://secunia.com/search/?search=Sun+java
Click to expand...

...and what? OK - that comes up with 153 hits. Take a look at this.

http://secunia.com/search/?search=ms+.net

375 hits

Seems you are running the wrong platform to be
worrying about security.
No one has given me one *good* reason yet as to why Sun's java is
needed.
Click to expand...

So don't install it, stop whining, and make us all happy.

Not everybody needs Java, not everybody needs Windows,
not everybody needs Flash. (shrugs) People are different.
 
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MowGreen [MVP]

My OS is secure and has *never* been infected by malware.
You think Sun's runtime is secure, then use it.
I choose not to.
End of subject.
Buh-bye

MowGreen [MVP 2003-2007]
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Never Forgotten
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V

Vista

Benzmum said:
My RAM is getting full (I have an older computer) and I was looking through
my programs to see what I didn't need. I find in Add or Remove Programs that
I have what appears to be 4 versions of Java Runtime Environment - 3 called
J2SE Runtime Environment and each 120 MB in size. The 4th, Java(TM) SE
Runtime Environment 6 Update 1 is 134 MB. Do I need all these? Am I right in
assuming that JRE enables me to view videos online? Could someone please
confirm?
Click to expand...

Uninstall all (oldest first) then re-install 1.6.02 if needed.


Vi
 
S

shiok

Can someone please advise why the latest Java 1.6.05 would not load after
installation and how to fix it?
 
D

dadiOH

shiok said:
Can someone please advise why the latest Java 1.6.05 would not load
after installation and how to fix it?
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What won't load?
A. The java control panel?
B. Java junk from web pages?

In both cases, did you configure java and browser(s) as per instructions at
Sun?
http://www.java.com/en/download/help/index_configuration.xml


Did you "Check to see if you have Java" at Sun?
http://www.java.com/en/download/installed.jsp?detect=jre&try=1

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Allan

shiok said:
Can someone please advise why the latest Java 1.6.05 would not load after
installation and how to fix it?
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Did you install online or using a standalone ("offline") installer?
If online, then try reinstalling using a standalone ("offline") installer.
The latest version is update 6, not 5.
After installation if you are still having problems check your browser and
the Control Panel applet to ensure that the browser is enabled. If you are
using Firefox enable Firefox in the Control Panel applet as well.
http://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp?locale=en&host=java.com
 

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