Is Vista worth the trouble ?

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Paul Cartier

I have a licensed version of Vista "Ultimate" edition which is causing
me more frustration than I have had since the first Windows version and
Millenium edition.
There are so many basic things which simply do not work - and which
worked perfectly well in Windows XP and even Windows 2000 !

SO MY QUESTION IS:
Before I waste time ploughing through newsgroups and effecting dark
registry hacks to solve all these (often almost trivial) issues:
IS VISTA WORTH THE EFFORT ?
The reason I ask is that I have heard one or 2 (but not enough to be
sure!!) mutterings that Microsoft are going to let Vista die a "quiet
death" and concentrate on the next major version !!

Can anyone enlighten me one way or another ?

P. Cartier
 
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Mike Hall - MVP

Paul Cartier said:
I have a licensed version of Vista "Ultimate" edition which is causing
me more frustration than I have had since the first Windows version and
Millenium edition.
There are so many basic things which simply do not work - and which worked
perfectly well in Windows XP and even Windows 2000 !

SO MY QUESTION IS:
Before I waste time ploughing through newsgroups and effecting dark
registry hacks to solve all these (often almost trivial) issues:
IS VISTA WORTH THE EFFORT ?
The reason I ask is that I have heard one or 2 (but not enough to be
sure!!) mutterings that Microsoft are going to let Vista die a "quiet
death" and concentrate on the next major version !!

Can anyone enlighten me one way or another ?

P. Cartier


Your time here would be better spent outlining problems you actually have..

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Sitara Lal

Most manufacturers (Dell, Lenovo etc) are offering Windows XP for their
latest PCs in addition to offering Vista at the same price. If Vista was
such an improvement over XP as Microsoft woudl have us believe, why would
these manufacturers still offer the older OS?

In my own experience, Vista has some cosmetic bells and whistles and a sexy
look - but I would rather have XP any day.
 
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DL

Because some apps & hw are not compatible with Vista & many business users
wish to keep ther current o/s
 
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kurttrail

DL said:
Because some apps & hw are not compatible with Vista & many business
users wish to keep ther current o/s

Hell, it ain't only business users.

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Peace!
Kurt
Former Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
 
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DanS

Although Vista has a few good features...and quite a few people like
it and have had no problems...
I can tell you this much:

I've been reading Usenet posts for about 8 years ...
and though there have always been complaints when a new OS was
released. ( I recall quite a bit of fuss about lack of drivers in
Win2k when it first came out.)

I don't think I ever so so many positive comments as I had seen with
XP. When it first came out..I was happy with Win2k but saw many
positive comments for XP
that I decided to give it a try...and now use mainly Win2k and XP.
(Part time linux user too.)

However...when Vista was released...I don't recall ever seeing so many
problems being
reported.

That is what I've been saying all along.

Yes...there where issues when XP came out, but not nearly as severe, and
compatibility issues where somewhat more acceptable, as it was a move
from the 9x kernel to the NT kernel.

If a device did not have an XP driver, but had an NT4 driver, most of the
time it seemed as though the NT driver would work satisfactorily.

What's _really_ funny to me, is that some feel that having a blue
titlebar with rounded corners (XP) looked 'cartoonish' and was
unnecessary eye candy. What ?! That is not eye candy.
 
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John Barnes

If you are happy with the way things are running on 2000 or XP, why make the
change? Systems are built around new operating systems. Installing a new
os into an older environment is ALWAYS asking for problems.
Personally I would say no for your older working environment and yes if you
are finding that programs you need are taking advantage of Vista advances
and you are going to support your move with the necessary hardware upgrades
 
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Frank

vista is a low quality OS full of problems and badly designed GUI that may
work under a limited number of computer configurations only.


You're an idiot!
get vista only with a new pc that has warrantee

You're insane, stupid and ignorant and a troll.
oh yes this is absolutly true MS at last has realized they got a lemon in
their hands

Go back to that cardboard space ship in your mom's basement...LOL!
Frank
 
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Alias

Frank said:
You're an idiot!

You're insane, stupid and ignorant and a troll.

Go back to that cardboard space ship in your mom's basement...LOL!
Frank

In Frank's World, insulting the messenger counters the message. LOL!
What a putz!

Alias
 
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Frank

Alias said:
How come you're not in church, Frank? After all, this is Easter Sunday.
Are you an atheist after all?

Alias

You have no idea what time it is here do you mr atheist...LOL!
Are you really as stupid as you appear to be?
Frank
 
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Frank

Alias said:
In Frank's World, insulting the messenger counters the message. LOL!
What a putz!

Alias

You have no idea what you're talking about do you? You're just an
ignorant troll. A real loser hiding out in spain. A mexican escapee from
a mental institution. A lying linux troll. A bigoted atheist.
IOW's a real loser.
Frank
 
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Charles W Davis

philo said:
Well
after fooling with Vista for several months now...I finally gave up
and went back to my Linux installation on this particular machine.
It took me maybe an hour or so to get it installed and configured.
No problems at all.

As to eye candy...here is a screen shot of my Vista installation
which I've just dumped. The first thing I did was turn the desktop
into the Win2k look!


http://www.plazaearth.com/philo/vista.jpg

That's an interesting comment. I am a house call technician for our local
computer club. I have used Vista Ultimate for 12 months (next week) with no
problems. I make about 5 house calls a week. During the past month, probably
half of the computers are Windows Vista. There has been no reports of
problems with the Vista operating system. The problems are centered around
setting up Windows Mail, transferring files and other non-problems. However,
to our club members, who are all over 55 years, change is much more
traumatice. But, guess what? They are not the generation that demands
instant gratification. They patiently work their way through the process,
attend a couple of our formal classes and are generally pleased with their
PCs. Remember, for the most part these folks didn't grow up with computers,
they have them to be able to send pictures of the grandchildren back and
forth.
 
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Kerry Brown

Paul Cartier said:
I have a licensed version of Vista "Ultimate" edition which is causing
me more frustration than I have had since the first Windows version and
Millenium edition.
There are so many basic things which simply do not work - and which worked
perfectly well in Windows XP and even Windows 2000 !

SO MY QUESTION IS:
Before I waste time ploughing through newsgroups and effecting dark
registry hacks to solve all these (often almost trivial) issues:
IS VISTA WORTH THE EFFORT ?
The reason I ask is that I have heard one or 2 (but not enough to be
sure!!) mutterings that Microsoft are going to let Vista die a "quiet
death" and concentrate on the next major version !!

Can anyone enlighten me one way or another ?


I started beta testing Vista when it was still called Longhorn. It became
usable when Beta 2 came out. By the time RC0 was released I found myself
using my Vista test computer more than my other computers. When Vista went
RTM I switched all my Windows client computers from XP to Vista. I have not
regretted this. I still work on many XP computers for customers. I find XP
awkward after using Vista. It did take several months for me to become used
to Vista. It is very different from XP. Many things have to done in a
different way. Some people equate different with worse. I don't. I'll also
say Vista can be a horrible experience if the hardware is not up to running
Vista or not compatible. The only XP installations I still have on my
personal computers are in virtual machines for testing. The OS' I use every
day are Vista, Server 2003, Linux, and Server 2008 in order of amount of use
and Vista, Server 2008, Linux, and Server 2003 in order of my preference.

All Microsoft OS' are eventually superseded by something newer. You can find
the support lifecycle of various versions of Windows here

http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifeselectwin

Mainstream support for Vista ends In October 2012.
 
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DanS

Well
after fooling with Vista for several months now...I finally gave up
and went back to my Linux installation on this particular machine.
It took me maybe an hour or so to get it installed and configured.
No problems at all.

As to eye candy...here is a screen shot of my Vista installation
which I've just dumped. The first thing I did was turn the desktop
into the Win2k look!


http://www.plazaearth.com/philo/vista.jpg

Ooops, didn't mean to offend !! :)

I just don't view window borders/titlebars as eye candy. Other stuff
yes....desktop effects, fading menus, etc. That stuff I always turned
off. It was a time issue. The amount of time and CPU power the effects
took to do was a deal killer, not necessarily the effects themselves.

Now my Linux install w/Compiz seems to be another story. I've actually
got a few effects turned on, because for no other reason, they are pretty
cool. They work very well, and to me, are worth giving up the (seemingly)
small amount of time/CPU ticks for the aesthetic 'coolness' of the
effect.

These two would be the burning window on a close, and the wobbly windows
that stick to the edges of the screen. What's even cooler, is the buring
window also applies to tooltips when they are destroyed as well. It's
super fast, and you just see this brief flash of fire.
 
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Canuck57

Paul Cartier said:
I have a licensed version of Vista "Ultimate" edition which is causing
me more frustration than I have had since the first Windows version and
Millenium edition.
There are so many basic things which simply do not work - and which worked
perfectly well in Windows XP and even Windows 2000 !

SO MY QUESTION IS:
Before I waste time ploughing through newsgroups and effecting dark
registry hacks to solve all these (often almost trivial) issues:
IS VISTA WORTH THE EFFORT ?
The reason I ask is that I have heard one or 2 (but not enough to be
sure!!) mutterings that Microsoft are going to let Vista die a "quiet
death" and concentrate on the next major version !!

Can anyone enlighten me one way or another ?

P. Cartier

If you want to be on the bleeding edge, Vista is for you.

If you want usability, familiarity, production grade, then stick with XP at
all costs. Vista isn't going to reach the same maturity as XP any time
soon. SP1, while it is progress it isn't earth shattering.

Compared to all before it, Vista's adoption is going to very slow, cohersed
and many are going to resist. MS has already extended 32 bit XP sales
getting the double dip from consumers, they will try to keep that going as
long as they can. Most business are frowning hard at Vista and with their
RTU licensing, XP still overwrites Vista on each PC going to normal end
users except for a very few companies.

I am not aware of any commodity PC at the major retailers that comes with
Vista and cannot run XP or Linux. The only issue you could have is if the
PC has 4GB or more of RAM, you will only see 3.1 to 3.5GB of RAM as MS does
not retail ship XP 64. They should ship XP 64, but Microsoft knows more
about what you want than you do.

The only reason Vista adoption has gone as far as it has, is that it is the
only way you can buy a commodity retail PC is with Vista. Traditional PCs
sales are down, as the Vista revolution never materialized, and now show on
the balance sheets. Reflected in INTC and AMD stock prices. MSFT however
double dip consumers who choose to downgrade, keeping their sales buoyant
for the moment. But even MSFT is going to hurt if they stick with no more
XP.

So there you have it. My outlaws hate it, and what saved me is I
recommended against Vista. My wife hates it. While I am a bleeding edge
kind of guy, this is too bleeding for me. I can't get all sorts of stuff to
work. So the new PC is only of entertainment value. The old XP on the dual
X2 is going to remain my main PC. No expensive license upgrades required
either and already configured the way I like it.

I need a commodity laptop, but am deferring the purchase until I can get XP.
(No, I don't like over priced Dell business solutions).

Microsoft knows how many Vista has shipped. Bet they would not want to
publish how many license keys they haven't seen on updates and how many they
see then disappear after 30 days or so.

If I was the CEO of MSFT, I would make the "new" Coke and Classic Coke
business analysis required reading to marketing before I would acknowledge
you as an employee. They screwed up big time. And Vista is going the way
of Me, Edsel, "new" Coke and OS2.
 
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Canuck57

Do not install SP1 if your PC is not operating properly. SP1 was not
designed to solve existing problems and may cause additional issues.

I was having bad disk performance issues. In fact, the second drive was
power cycling every 10-20 minutes. SP1 solved that.

The only real SP1 trouble I had was for awhile in stage 2, I had not one but
two update windows running at once. Didn't touch them and let the PC chuck
right along. Took about an hour.

Now disk copies of a 64GB of files went from 4 hours 5 minutes to 21
minutes. Which is actually 5 minutes faster than my old XP machine. But
given this machine is 2 years newer, 4 procs no 2, SATA 150 not IDE
133...not a stellar improvement but more in line with expectations.

But SP1 does not fix everything.

I was so ticked off at Vista, I figured what did I have to lose?
 
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Alias

Frank said:
You have no idea what time it is here do you mr atheist...LOL!

I know *exactly* what time it is in California, ten hours earlier than
CET. It was 8:06 AM in California when I posted that message.
Are you really as stupid as you appear to be?
Frank

No, you're the one too stupid to answer questions and can only hurl insults.

Alias
 

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