Is it true that WGA makes impossible to upgrade your C: hard drive?

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Juan I. Cahis

Dear friends:

Is it true that WGA makes impossible to upgrade your C: hard drive?

In the last issue of "PC World" magazine (November 2006), they are two
letters of very angry WinXp users that say that WGA ("Windows Genuine
Advantage") makes impossible to upgrade your C: drive to a new one
(Page 33).

Is that true? I am very worried, because I plan to upgrade my laptop's
C: hard drive to a bigger one very soon.

Any hint?

Thanks
Juan I. Cahis
Santiago de Chile (South America)
Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!
 
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Alias~-

Juan said:
Dear friends:

Is it true that WGA makes impossible to upgrade your C: hard drive?

In the last issue of "PC World" magazine (November 2006), they are two
letters of very angry WinXp users that say that WGA ("Windows Genuine
Advantage") makes impossible to upgrade your C: drive to a new one
(Page 33).

Is that true? I am very worried, because I plan to upgrade my laptop's
C: hard drive to a bigger one very soon.

Any hint?

Thanks
Juan I. Cahis
Santiago de Chile (South America)
Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!

NO, it isn't true.

Alias
 
G

Gordon

Juan said:
Dear friends:

Is it true that WGA makes impossible to upgrade your C: hard drive?


No. Rubbish
In the last issue of "PC World" magazine (November 2006), they are two
letters of very angry WinXp users that say that WGA ("Windows Genuine
Advantage") makes impossible to upgrade your C: drive to a new one
(Page 33).


Well Idon't know what they've been doing but they are talking absolute
garbage
Is that true? I am very worried, because I plan to upgrade my laptop's
C: hard drive to a bigger one very soon.

Any hint?

If you're concerned, just add the new HDD as a slave instead....
 
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Carey Frisch [MVP]

WGA verifies that your Windows XP license is genuine.
Why would anyone think it would not be genuine if reinstalled
on a new hard drive?

Windows Genuine Advantage - FAQ
http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/downloads/faq.aspx

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User

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Dear friends:

Is it true that WGA makes impossible to upgrade your C: hard drive?

In the last issue of "PC World" magazine (November 2006), they are two
letters of very angry WinXp users that say that WGA ("Windows Genuine
Advantage") makes impossible to upgrade your C: drive to a new one
(Page 33).

Is that true? I am very worried, because I plan to upgrade my laptop's
C: hard drive to a bigger one very soon.

Any hint?

Thanks
Juan I. Cahis
Santiago de Chile (South America)
Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!
 
J

Juan I. Cahis

Gordon said:
No. Rubbish



Well Idon't know what they've been doing but they are talking absolute
garbage


If you're concerned, just add the new HDD as a slave instead....

In a laptop?
Thanks
Juan I. Cahis
Santiago de Chile (South America)
Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!
 
J

Juan I. Cahis

Carey, the idea is *not* to reinstall Windows in the new hard drive,
but to do a full backup of the old one, and to restore it in the new
one. Another possibility is to copy the image of the old one into the
new one, using Norton's Ghost or Acronis True Image, but never to
reinstall all in the new drive.

Does WGA use a similar mechanism as the old "copy protected programs",
like Lotus-123 used into their original diskettes, like doing marks in
specific disk sectors, or similar?

Regarding the opinion of both "PC World" readers, I don't know what
they did and which kind of problems they had, but they were very angry
and the Editor of "PC World" published their letters, so maybe they
really *are* in a problem.

Carey Frisch said:
WGA verifies that your Windows XP license is genuine.
Why would anyone think it would not be genuine if reinstalled
on a new hard drive?

Windows Genuine Advantage - FAQ
http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/downloads/faq.aspx
Thanks
Juan I. Cahis
Santiago de Chile (South America)
Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!
 
J

Juan I. Cahis

A really good idea from Toshiba, indeed !!!!

Gordon said:
My Toshiba allows you to remove the CD drive and replace with either a
second battery or a second HDD.....
Thanks
Juan I. Cahis
Santiago de Chile (South America)
Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!
 
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Alias~-

Juan said:
Carey, the idea is *not* to reinstall Windows in the new hard drive,
but to do a full backup of the old one, and to restore it in the new
one. Another possibility is to copy the image of the old one into the
new one, using Norton's Ghost or Acronis True Image, but never to
reinstall all in the new drive.

Does WGA use a similar mechanism as the old "copy protected programs",
like Lotus-123 used into their original diskettes, like doing marks in
specific disk sectors, or similar?

Regarding the opinion of both "PC World" readers, I don't know what
they did and which kind of problems they had, but they were very angry
and the Editor of "PC World" published their letters, so maybe they
really *are* in a problem.

Why can't you just have your firewall block WGA before doing the image?
That said, I have WGA set to ask before going online and it hasn't asked
in over two months.

Alias
 
V

Vanguard

Alias~- said:
Why can't you just have your firewall block WGA before doing the
image? That said, I have WGA set to ask before going online and it
hasn't asked in over two months.


Depends on the firewall. Are you talking about the Windows firewall
which loads before TCP is enabled so firewalling is immediate? But
then outbound restrictions aren't available for the Windows firewall,
anyway. Most firewalls load late, sometime after many startup
programs have already loaded. WGA is ran as a Notify event; see the
registry at:

HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows
NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon\Notify\WgaLogon

It runs on Windows startup and probably long before your firewall ever
loads, so WGA is getting out before your firewall even loads.

Use something like ProcessGuard to prevent the process from ever
loading into memory. Nothing runs unless it gets into memory. I have
ProcessGuard block loading of wgatray.exe. I do NOT allow it to let
rundll.exe to load except by prompting me to allow or block, so
something like "rundll.exe wgalogon.dll ..." can't run. Of course,
its possible WGAlogon.dll gets run before ProcessGuard, but there are
lots of info found by Googling on how to kill, disable, or delete WGA,
like
http://www.ghacks.net/2006/04/27/how-to-disable-microsofts-new-anti-piracy-program-update/.
I haven't watched through subsequent updates if Microsoft steps atop
this file (delete it and create a new instance) to get back the
security permissions needed for it to execute. That's why I'm hoping
ProcessGuard will prevent wgatray.exe (whatever version Microsoft puts
on my system through "security" updates) and not allowing rundll.exe
to run without prompting (so a method cannot be called from within
wgalogon.dll) will thwart Microsoft's paranoic stupidity.

This only deters WGA from phoning home at Windows startup if you have
an always-on connection. You still end up having to install and run
their ActiveX control for many of their downloads (i.e., they want to
authenticate your instance of Windows before they'll let you have the
download). So while you don't authenticate on startup anymore, there
are many downloads that still require authentication to get them. I
don't mind *elective* authentication, like when doing the downloads.
It's the covert intrusiveness of WGA that I dislike.
 
P

Pop`

Juan said:
Carey, the idea is *not* to reinstall Windows in the new hard drive,
but to do a full backup of the old one, and to restore it in the new
one. Another possibility is to copy the image of the old one into the
new one, using Norton's Ghost or Acronis True Image, but never to
reinstall all in the new drive.

Does WGA use a similar mechanism as the old "copy protected programs",
like Lotus-123 used into their original diskettes, like doing marks in
specific disk sectors, or similar?

Regarding the opinion of both "PC World" readers, I don't know what
they did and which kind of problems they had, but they were very angry
and the Editor of "PC World" published their letters, so maybe they
really *are* in a problem.


Thanks
Juan I. Cahis
Santiago de Chile (South America)
Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!

It's still rubbish as someone so aptly coined it recently.
 

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