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Anna
(Sorry about the screwy formatting in my previous post. Trust this one is
clearer!)
As Tim (Slattery) has pointed out, for all practical purposes there really
is no limit to partition size re FAT32-formatted partitions. If, for one
reason or another, a user desires to use the FAT32 file system in a
WinXPenvironment, he or she can do so. As we all know there is that 32 GB
limitation involving *creating* FAT32 partitions from within XP, i.e.,
through the Disk Management utility, however these > 32 GB FAT32 partitions
can be created through other means, primarily using the FDISK/FORMAT
commands from a DOS boot disk, e.g., a Win9x/Me "Startup Disk".
And then the XP OS will happily use those > 32 GB FAT32 partitions. There
was (and is) a problem with large-capacity disks, i.e., > 127 GB binary,
when used with a Win9x/Me OS. For one thing problems arise in those
operating systems with using the defragmentation & disk scanning utilities.
We've also run into serious disk corruption errors in general which we
attributed to those large-capacity FAT32-formatted drives. Our general
recommendation to users of those operating systems is to install no HDD >
120 GB.
Like virtually all other commentators, for a variety of reasons, we
ordinarily recommend using the NTFS file system in an XP environment.
However, as one or more posters has commented, we too have run into
situations - primarily involving custom-designed programs specialized for
use in a business - where the program simply refused to work or worked
erratically within an NTFS file system but had no problem when installedin a
FAT32 file system in an XP environment. So in those cases the user had
little or no choice to use the FAT32 file system.
Anna
I still don't understand, Anna, why I can't get Partition Magic to format
larger than in the 150 gig range. Is it wounded or defective? As you know,
Symantec bought it but never ever updated it. And, other competitive
products seem to have similar problems, although I cannot personally vouch
for any limits on partition size.
Just for the record, how would I format a FAT32 partition on, say, a 500 gig
external to over 150? I know and understand FDISK but am very skittish
about it because a minor mistep can wipe out my primary. Yes, I am cautious,
some would say overly cautious, but I've found in my 60 year life that it
pays to not lead with my chin. Thanks for your comments.
(SNIP)
Incidently, do you have an opinion on my observation that FAT32 is much
faster on read/writes than NTFS as well as far faster to just bring up a
folder tree? For awhile, NTFS on my extended partitions (I have two) and my
external were SO slow, many minutes to just get a tree, that I reformatted
them as FAT32. For other reasons, primarily the need to store very large
Acronis True Image image files, I was forced to go back to NTFS. It was as
if a miracle had occurred. I've had little trouble since, although my Maxtor
300 gig with 2 NTFS partitions (I wanted 2 to separate the data on the drive
logically) normally works fine, there ARE occasions when it'll go away for a
minute or two trying to access one of the partitions in Explorer. Again,
thanks for your observations.
Am I correc that you are the same "Anna" that posted that excellent True
Image tutorial some time back? Very nicely written and quite helpful. --
HP, aka Jerry
Anna responds...
Jerry:I honestly don't know why you're having trouble using the Partition
Magic program (I assume you're using the 8.01 version) to create one or more
FAT32 partitions. It's usually a very "cut & dried" procedure with PM.
Although I have to admit it's been a very long time since we used that
program to create large FAT32 partitions. In the event when we *do* find it
necessary, we invariably use the FDISK & FORMAT commands from a DOS boot
floppy disk or CD to create FAT32 partitions.
As to formatting a FAT32 partition on your external 500 GB HDD...
I'm assuming it's a USB external HDD, right? If so, you really won't be able
to use the FDISK/FORMAT commands in that situation because of the USB
interface. It will be necessary to install the disk as an *internal* HDD in
your system and then boot to the DOS boot disk to invoke the
FDISK/FORMATcommands. Then, of course, reinstall the disk back in its USB
enclosure.
Now, there *is* ostensibly a program that purports to format FAT32
partitions > 32 GB from *within* WinXP. It's a Linux-based program - the
mkdosfs.exe program that you can download in ZIP format from...
http://www.mager.org/mkdosfs/
Basically the process is to create the partition on your USB external HDD
using the Disk Management utility in XP and format the > 32 GB partition in
NTFS. Then use the mkdosfs.exe program which will be installed in your XP
system to format that partition FAT32. We've used this program a number of
times and for the most part it "worked". But I have to tell you that in a
couple of cases we later ran into some data corruption issues which, while
we couldn't definitively *prove* they were caused by the mkdosfs
FAT32-formatting process, we were (and continue to be) uneasy about using
the program again. So if you want to try out this program (it's a freebie)
you may first want to experiment with it by testing with some non-critical
data. But I would be cautious about using it without any reservations until
you're confident of its validity.
In any event, if you are able to uninstall the 500 GB HDD from its USB
enclosure and then install it as an internal HDD in your XP system, I would
go ahead and use the FDISK/FORMAT commands as indicated above. As you
probably know it's a rather straightforward process and shouldn't cause you
any difficulty. Just take your time and understand those commands' options
before you start pressing keys as you go through the process.
As to your questions re the differences between the FAT32 & NTFS file
systems as to performance (speed of read/writes). I really can't conclude
the FAT32 file system is faster in this regard. As I previously stated,
unless the user has some special need to use the FAT32 file system because
of some program/system compatibility issues, we strongly recommend employing
the NTFS file system in an XP environment.
And yes, I'm the very same "Anna" and thank you for your nice comment. I'm
glad to hear you found those Acronis True Image step-by-step instructions
helpful. I might mention in passing that we've actually been using another
disk cloning program since earlier this year and we've been quite impressed
with it. To the point where it's our disk-cloning program of choice and we
prefer it over the ATI program. It's the Casper 4.0 program
(http://www.fssdev.com).
Perhaps you've come across a couple of my postings in which I extolled the
virtues of this program and provided some details as to using it. It's
certainly worth looking into. In this connection you might want to take a
look at my post to this newsgroup of August 7 - the subject being "Re: needa
good backup method or program".
(BTW, I'm leaving for a two-month overseas assignment tomorrow morning and
will not have access to this & other newsgroups during that time. I mention
this only because I probably won't have an opportunity to respond to any
further posts over the next few months.)
Anna
clearer!)
As Tim (Slattery) has pointed out, for all practical purposes there really
is no limit to partition size re FAT32-formatted partitions. If, for one
reason or another, a user desires to use the FAT32 file system in a
WinXPenvironment, he or she can do so. As we all know there is that 32 GB
limitation involving *creating* FAT32 partitions from within XP, i.e.,
through the Disk Management utility, however these > 32 GB FAT32 partitions
can be created through other means, primarily using the FDISK/FORMAT
commands from a DOS boot disk, e.g., a Win9x/Me "Startup Disk".
And then the XP OS will happily use those > 32 GB FAT32 partitions. There
was (and is) a problem with large-capacity disks, i.e., > 127 GB binary,
when used with a Win9x/Me OS. For one thing problems arise in those
operating systems with using the defragmentation & disk scanning utilities.
We've also run into serious disk corruption errors in general which we
attributed to those large-capacity FAT32-formatted drives. Our general
recommendation to users of those operating systems is to install no HDD >
120 GB.
Like virtually all other commentators, for a variety of reasons, we
ordinarily recommend using the NTFS file system in an XP environment.
However, as one or more posters has commented, we too have run into
situations - primarily involving custom-designed programs specialized for
use in a business - where the program simply refused to work or worked
erratically within an NTFS file system but had no problem when installedin a
FAT32 file system in an XP environment. So in those cases the user had
little or no choice to use the FAT32 file system.
Anna
I still don't understand, Anna, why I can't get Partition Magic to format
larger than in the 150 gig range. Is it wounded or defective? As you know,
Symantec bought it but never ever updated it. And, other competitive
products seem to have similar problems, although I cannot personally vouch
for any limits on partition size.
Just for the record, how would I format a FAT32 partition on, say, a 500 gig
external to over 150? I know and understand FDISK but am very skittish
about it because a minor mistep can wipe out my primary. Yes, I am cautious,
some would say overly cautious, but I've found in my 60 year life that it
pays to not lead with my chin. Thanks for your comments.
(SNIP)
Incidently, do you have an opinion on my observation that FAT32 is much
faster on read/writes than NTFS as well as far faster to just bring up a
folder tree? For awhile, NTFS on my extended partitions (I have two) and my
external were SO slow, many minutes to just get a tree, that I reformatted
them as FAT32. For other reasons, primarily the need to store very large
Acronis True Image image files, I was forced to go back to NTFS. It was as
if a miracle had occurred. I've had little trouble since, although my Maxtor
300 gig with 2 NTFS partitions (I wanted 2 to separate the data on the drive
logically) normally works fine, there ARE occasions when it'll go away for a
minute or two trying to access one of the partitions in Explorer. Again,
thanks for your observations.
Am I correc that you are the same "Anna" that posted that excellent True
Image tutorial some time back? Very nicely written and quite helpful. --
HP, aka Jerry
Anna responds...
Jerry:I honestly don't know why you're having trouble using the Partition
Magic program (I assume you're using the 8.01 version) to create one or more
FAT32 partitions. It's usually a very "cut & dried" procedure with PM.
Although I have to admit it's been a very long time since we used that
program to create large FAT32 partitions. In the event when we *do* find it
necessary, we invariably use the FDISK & FORMAT commands from a DOS boot
floppy disk or CD to create FAT32 partitions.
As to formatting a FAT32 partition on your external 500 GB HDD...
I'm assuming it's a USB external HDD, right? If so, you really won't be able
to use the FDISK/FORMAT commands in that situation because of the USB
interface. It will be necessary to install the disk as an *internal* HDD in
your system and then boot to the DOS boot disk to invoke the
FDISK/FORMATcommands. Then, of course, reinstall the disk back in its USB
enclosure.
Now, there *is* ostensibly a program that purports to format FAT32
partitions > 32 GB from *within* WinXP. It's a Linux-based program - the
mkdosfs.exe program that you can download in ZIP format from...
http://www.mager.org/mkdosfs/
Basically the process is to create the partition on your USB external HDD
using the Disk Management utility in XP and format the > 32 GB partition in
NTFS. Then use the mkdosfs.exe program which will be installed in your XP
system to format that partition FAT32. We've used this program a number of
times and for the most part it "worked". But I have to tell you that in a
couple of cases we later ran into some data corruption issues which, while
we couldn't definitively *prove* they were caused by the mkdosfs
FAT32-formatting process, we were (and continue to be) uneasy about using
the program again. So if you want to try out this program (it's a freebie)
you may first want to experiment with it by testing with some non-critical
data. But I would be cautious about using it without any reservations until
you're confident of its validity.
In any event, if you are able to uninstall the 500 GB HDD from its USB
enclosure and then install it as an internal HDD in your XP system, I would
go ahead and use the FDISK/FORMAT commands as indicated above. As you
probably know it's a rather straightforward process and shouldn't cause you
any difficulty. Just take your time and understand those commands' options
before you start pressing keys as you go through the process.
As to your questions re the differences between the FAT32 & NTFS file
systems as to performance (speed of read/writes). I really can't conclude
the FAT32 file system is faster in this regard. As I previously stated,
unless the user has some special need to use the FAT32 file system because
of some program/system compatibility issues, we strongly recommend employing
the NTFS file system in an XP environment.
And yes, I'm the very same "Anna" and thank you for your nice comment. I'm
glad to hear you found those Acronis True Image step-by-step instructions
helpful. I might mention in passing that we've actually been using another
disk cloning program since earlier this year and we've been quite impressed
with it. To the point where it's our disk-cloning program of choice and we
prefer it over the ATI program. It's the Casper 4.0 program
(http://www.fssdev.com).
Perhaps you've come across a couple of my postings in which I extolled the
virtues of this program and provided some details as to using it. It's
certainly worth looking into. In this connection you might want to take a
look at my post to this newsgroup of August 7 - the subject being "Re: needa
good backup method or program".
(BTW, I'm leaving for a two-month overseas assignment tomorrow morning and
will not have access to this & other newsgroups during that time. I mention
this only because I probably won't have an opportunity to respond to any
further posts over the next few months.)
Anna