Individual consumers left out in the cold with Microsoft Security Advisories?!

K

Kinell

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-5697945.html

Go screw, you scummy home computer users! We ain't gonna help
you! Only our beloved corporate customers!
I don't understand why you made that comment. Please explain?

For the benefit of other readers, here is the text of the
announcement:

(QUOTE)
Microsoft to sound early alert for flaws
By Dawn Kawamoto, CNET News.com
Published on ZDNet May 6, 2005, 11:08 AM PT

Microsoft will introduce a security advisory service on Tuesday
that will confirm reports of flaws and provide a workaround until a
patch is released.

The pilot program of Microsoft Security Advisories will strive to
issue an alert within one business day of the company becoming
aware of a problem and offer ways to mitigate it, a Microsoft
representative said.

"Our advisories will allow us to communicate about more things than
just security," said Stephen Toulouse, security program manager in
Microsoft's security response center.

The move comes amid an ongoing debate over how and when information
about vulnerabilities should be disclosed. The software industry
has been urging "responsible" disclosure, in which security
researchers wait until manufacturers have created a patch for a
hole before making the hole public. But some flaw finders have held
to "full" disclosure, in which they reveal a vulnerability as soon
as they discover it. If a flaw is publicized, they argue, software
makers will not drag their feet about fixing it.

In April, security company Secunia sent out a warning about a
"highly critical" vulnerability affecting Microsoft's Office and
Access programs that had not been patched by the software maker.
The warning noted that exploit code for the flaw had already been
posted on the Web.

The new Microsoft program will include alerts that do not
necessarily relate to a flaw, but to issues that could pose a
security risk. For example, phishing fraud attacks that rely on
social engineering to dupe users into revealing confidential
information would not be considered a software vulnerability, but
Microsoft might issue a warning about the problem, the company
representative said.

In addition, the advisories will notify people about exploit code
that has been made public or "proof of concept" code that might be
related to a released update or vulnerability.

Each alert will come with a tracking number, which will enable
people to follow any changes in the warning. An advisory may later
turn into a security bulletin, in which a patch will be released.
Microsoft has a regular monthly cycle of security updates.

The advisories, however, will not rank the severity of the security
problem, Toulouse said. He noted that it would be difficult to have
an all-in-one system that would not only rate the severity of a
flaw but also of a security hoax or phishing attack.

Thomas Kristensen, chief technology officer at Secunia, applauded
Microsoft's move. "We're definitely pleased to see this. In many
ways, this will make things easier for us," he said.

PC users might question a flaw alert from a security company if the
maker of the software does not acknowledge the problem, Kristensen
said.

"If we issue an alert, and Microsoft says nothing to confirm it,
then the good guys doubt whether they should take our recommended
actions and the bad guys take advantage of this, because they know
it will take a while before Microsoft issues patches," Kristensen
said.

Microsoft is one of the few software vendors that issue advisories
and workarounds for vulnerabilities, Kristensen said. He noted that
open-source software vendors, however, will usually provide alerts
and list potential workarounds. (/QUOTE)
 
K

Kinell

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-5697945.html

Go screw, you scummy home computer users! We ain't gonna help
you! Only our beloved corporate customers!
I don't understand why you made that comment. Please explain?

For the benefit of other readers, here is the text of the
announcement:

(QUOTE)
Microsoft to sound early alert for flaws
By Dawn Kawamoto, CNET News.com
Published on ZDNet May 6, 2005, 11:08 AM PT

Microsoft will introduce a security advisory service on Tuesday
that will confirm reports of flaws and provide a workaround until a
patch is released.

The pilot program of Microsoft Security Advisories will strive to
issue an alert within one business day of the company becoming
aware of a problem and offer ways to mitigate it, a Microsoft
representative said.

"Our advisories will allow us to communicate about more things than
just security," said Stephen Toulouse, security program manager in
Microsoft's security response center.

The move comes amid an ongoing debate over how and when information
about vulnerabilities should be disclosed. The software industry
has been urging "responsible" disclosure, in which security
researchers wait until manufacturers have created a patch for a
hole before making the hole public. But some flaw finders have held
to "full" disclosure, in which they reveal a vulnerability as soon
as they discover it. If a flaw is publicized, they argue, software
makers will not drag their feet about fixing it.

In April, security company Secunia sent out a warning about a
"highly critical" vulnerability affecting Microsoft's Office and
Access programs that had not been patched by the software maker.
The warning noted that exploit code for the flaw had already been
posted on the Web.

The new Microsoft program will include alerts that do not
necessarily relate to a flaw, but to issues that could pose a
security risk. For example, phishing fraud attacks that rely on
social engineering to dupe users into revealing confidential
information would not be considered a software vulnerability, but
Microsoft might issue a warning about the problem, the company
representative said.

In addition, the advisories will notify people about exploit code
that has been made public or "proof of concept" code that might be
related to a released update or vulnerability.

Each alert will come with a tracking number, which will enable
people to follow any changes in the warning. An advisory may later
turn into a security bulletin, in which a patch will be released.
Microsoft has a regular monthly cycle of security updates.

The advisories, however, will not rank the severity of the security
problem, Toulouse said. He noted that it would be difficult to have
an all-in-one system that would not only rate the severity of a
flaw but also of a security hoax or phishing attack.

Thomas Kristensen, chief technology officer at Secunia, applauded
Microsoft's move. "We're definitely pleased to see this. In many
ways, this will make things easier for us," he said.

PC users might question a flaw alert from a security company if the
maker of the software does not acknowledge the problem, Kristensen
said.

"If we issue an alert, and Microsoft says nothing to confirm it,
then the good guys doubt whether they should take our recommended
actions and the bad guys take advantage of this, because they know
it will take a while before Microsoft issues patches," Kristensen
said.

Microsoft is one of the few software vendors that issue advisories
and workarounds for vulnerabilities, Kristensen said. He noted that
open-source software vendors, however, will usually provide alerts
and list potential workarounds. (/QUOTE)
 
K

kurttrail

Kinell said:
I don't understand why you made that comment. Please explain? <snip>

From the email from ZDNet that alerted me to the article [emphasis is
mine]:

-----------------------------------------------------------------
ZDNet Must-Read News Alerts
-----------------------------------------------------------------
IT News Happening Now

Microsoft sets up early warning system

On Tuesday, the company will initiate a procedure to alert *businesses*
of potential flaws while they are working on a fix.

http://ct.zdnet.com.com/clicks?c=162162-6141321&brand=zdnet&ds=5

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K

kurttrail

Stan said:
in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

Okay, I'll bite. How on earth do you get that comment from that
story? I didn't see any distinction made between home and business
users.

From the email from ZDNet that alerted me to the article [emphasis is
mine]:

-----------------------------------------------------------------
ZDNet Must-Read News Alerts
-----------------------------------------------------------------
IT News Happening Now

Microsoft sets up early warning system

On Tuesday, the company will initiate a procedure to alert *businesses*
of potential flaws while they are working on a fix.

http://ct.zdnet.com.com/clicks?c=162162-6141321&brand=zdnet&ds=5

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K

Kinell

Kinell said:
I don't understand why you made that comment. Please explain?
<snip>

From the email from ZDNet that alerted me to the article
[emphasis is mine]:

-----------------------------------------------------------------
ZDNet Must-Read News Alerts
-----------------------------------------------------------------
IT News Happening Now

Microsoft sets up early warning system

On Tuesday, the company will initiate a procedure to alert
*businesses* of potential flaws while they are working on a fix.

http://ct.zdnet.com.com/clicks?c=162162-6141321&brand=zdnet&ds=5

The word 'businesses' does not occur in the cited article. The usage
of that word in the email you received is non exclusive. The cited
article uses the phrase "...the advisories will notify people...".

I see nothing to support your conclusion.
 
R

Richard Urban

Meds Kurt! Meds!

The only business I see in that announcement is that Microsoft plans to
alert "people" within one business day.

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Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :)

If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
K

kurttrail

Kinell said:
Kinell said:
in
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-5697945.html

Go screw, you scummy home computer users! We ain't gonna help
you! Only our beloved corporate customers!

I don't understand why you made that comment. Please explain?
<snip>

From the email from ZDNet that alerted me to the article
[emphasis is mine]:

-----------------------------------------------------------------
ZDNet Must-Read News Alerts
-----------------------------------------------------------------
IT News Happening Now

Microsoft sets up early warning system

On Tuesday, the company will initiate a procedure to alert
*businesses* of potential flaws while they are working on a fix.

http://ct.zdnet.com.com/clicks?c=162162-6141321&brand=zdnet&ds=5

The word 'businesses' does not occur in the cited article. The usage
of that word in the email you received is non exclusive. The cited
article uses the phrase "...the advisories will notify people...".

I see nothing to support your conclusion.

Like I said the ZDNet news alert that was sent to me that linked to the
article says businesses. If you got a problem with the alert, take it
up with them.

Or you can wait until Tuesday and see if you can sign up to get the
Microsoft Security Advisories as an individual.

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K

kurttrail

Richard said:
Meds Kurt! Meds!

The only business I see in that announcement is that Microsoft plans
to alert "people" within one business day.

From the email from ZDNet that alerted me to the article [emphasis is
mine]:

-----------------------------------------------------------------
ZDNet Must-Read News Alerts
-----------------------------------------------------------------
IT News Happening Now

Microsoft sets up early warning system

On Tuesday, the company will initiate a procedure to alert *businesses*
of potential flaws while they are working on a fix.

http://ct.zdnet.com.com/clicks?c=162162-6141321&brand=zdnet&ds=5


Got futher complaints, talk to the people that write up ZDNet News
Alerts.

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P

Peter Foldes

Reading al these posts in this thread and I do not understand why people
cannot comprehend the obvious that is written. FROM THE EMAIL THAT I
RECEIVED

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Peter

Please reply to newsgroup for the benefit of others.

kurttrail said:
Richard said:
Meds Kurt! Meds!

The only business I see in that announcement is that Microsoft plans
to alert "people" within one business day.

From the email from ZDNet that alerted me to the article [emphasis is
mine]:

-----------------------------------------------------------------
ZDNet Must-Read News Alerts
-----------------------------------------------------------------
IT News Happening Now

Microsoft sets up early warning system

On Tuesday, the company will initiate a procedure to alert *businesses*
of potential flaws while they are working on a fix.

http://ct.zdnet.com.com/clicks?c=162162-6141321&brand=zdnet&ds=5


Got futher complaints, talk to the people that write up ZDNet News
Alerts.

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R

Richard Urban

Because that wasn't in the original post. Many, such as I, will answer a
post without reading all the posted pieces of the thread first. I read the
original message and went to the link to read that. Then I answered, as did
other - I suppose!

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Regards,

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aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :)

If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!


Peter Foldes said:
Reading al these posts in this thread and I do not understand why people
cannot comprehend the obvious that is written. FROM THE EMAIL THAT I
RECEIVED

--
Peter

Please reply to newsgroup for the benefit of others.

kurttrail said:
Richard said:
message http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-5697945.html

Go screw, you scummy home computer users! We ain't gonna help you!
Only our beloved corporate customers!

Meds Kurt! Meds!

The only business I see in that announcement is that Microsoft plans
to alert "people" within one business day.

From the email from ZDNet that alerted me to the article [emphasis is
mine]:

-----------------------------------------------------------------
ZDNet Must-Read News Alerts
-----------------------------------------------------------------
IT News Happening Now

Microsoft sets up early warning system

On Tuesday, the company will initiate a procedure to alert *businesses*
of potential flaws while they are working on a fix.

http://ct.zdnet.com.com/clicks?c=162162-6141321&brand=zdnet&ds=5


Got futher complaints, talk to the people that write up ZDNet News
Alerts.

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H

HeyBub

kurttrail said:
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-5697945.html

Go screw, you scummy home computer users! We ain't gonna help you!
Only our beloved corporate customers!

What's your beef? Anyone who spends (guessing here) $1million or more with
Micros~1 per year is probably eligible for the service. There's no
intimation you're not being discriminated against because you're a home
computer user.
 
H

HeyBub

Peter said:
Reading al these posts in this thread and I do not understand why
people cannot comprehend the obvious that is written. FROM THE EMAIL
THAT I RECEIVED

So, you're complaining about ZDNet spamming you?

They'll do it. Google: zdnet + spam yields over 1.5 million hits. Real bad
eggs, ZDNet.

Thanks for reminding us.
 
K

kurttrail

HeyBub said:
What's your beef? Anyone who spends (guessing here) $1million or more
with Micros~1 per year is probably eligible for the service. There's
no intimation you're not being discriminated against because you're a
home computer user.

LOL! Well I'd like the opportunity to disable vunerable parts of the OS
until the fix is in.

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K

kurttrail

Peter said:
Reading al these posts in this thread and I do not understand why
people cannot comprehend the obvious that is written. FROM THE EMAIL
THAT I RECEIVED

I guess we'll find out on Tuesday when MS starts their pilot program, if
the email was accurate.

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S

Stan Brown

Like I said the ZDNet news alert that was sent to me that linked to the
article says businesses. If you got a problem with the alert, take it
up with them.

Nobody has a problem with the alert -- it's that your comment
required us to know about the alert, which you didn't share with
us.

Instead you posted a link to an article that, as Kinell pointed
out, does not support your conclusion.
 
K

kurttrail

Stan said:
in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

Nobody has a problem with the alert -- it's that your comment
required us to know about the alert, which you didn't share with
us.

In the immortal words of Steve Martin, "Excoooooooooose Me!"
Instead you posted a link to an article that, as Kinell pointed
out, does not support your conclusion.

And I remedied it by showing you all the alert to the article. Both the
Article and the Alert to the Article are from ZDNet. And as soon as the
first person mention the article didn't really mention that the
Microsoft Security Advisories would be for businesses, I showed why I
thought what I did.

If you don't like it, tough sh*t! What I wrote was based on the
information from ZDNet.

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K

kurttrail

HeyBub said:
So, you're complaining about ZDNet spamming you?

No, he was repeating what I wrote, and wondering why nobody seems to
understand it.
They'll do it. Google: zdnet + spam yields over 1.5 million hits.
Real bad eggs, ZDNet.

Since I signed up for the alerts, I don't see any problem with it. Have
you ever gotten an unsolicited email from them, and then tried to
unsubscribe?
Thanks for reminding us.

Of what? You are the one that brought up spam erroneously.

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H

HeyBub

kurttrail said:
No, he was repeating what I wrote, and wondering why nobody seems to
understand it.


Since I signed up for the alerts, I don't see any problem with it. Have
you ever gotten an unsolicited email from them, and then tried to
unsubscribe?

1. No, I've never gotten any mail from them, but, evidently, at least 1.5
million others have.
2. "Unsubscribing" from unsolicited emails is one of the most foolish things
one can do with a computer.
A. Why should you unsubscribe from something you never subscribed to?
B. Unsubscribing confirms a valid email address. Valid addresses are the
"gold" of spammers.

That ZDNet is a comfirmed spammer and can't be trusted?
You are the one that brought up spam erroneously.

Oh. Someone registered disapproval over an email they got from ZDNet. I just
thought: Email + complaint = spam.
 

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